Gameday Thread: White Sox at O's, 08/01
Mark Buehrle, LH Daniel Cabrera, RH
(11-4, 2.96) (8-8, 4.68)
Game time is 12:35 on CSNs in Baltimore and Chicago.
There are two and a half ways to look at last night's game. The first way is to say that Rodrigo Lopez, on a night the team needed him to provide innings, shit the bed and was demolished in short order, thus eliminating any chance we had to win. And that's the result of the game.
The second way is to see that we got 12 hits in the game, and that the only players who didn't get a hit were Newhan and Mora. Plus, the bullpen was very sharp, and in all honesty, the Orioles had their chances to get back into the game and possibly even win it. Of course, there's the half: they left 12 on base and repeatedly failed to deliver in the situations that could have seen them come back into it, which has been most of the problem of late. The team's inability to bring in the men they put on base is getting pretty staggering.
But that was yesterday, and today is today. Buehrle is a good pitcher having probably his best season. He's generally given up his fair share of homers, including 33 last year, but he's allowed only eight this season. In seasons past, his HR/9 totals have been 0.88, 0.98, 0.94, 0.86 and 1.21. This year, he's at 0.46.
He's a workhorse pitcher. A lot of the White Sox pitchers have been workhorse pitchers. This is considered commendable, and to some extent I agree, but what happens when these guys wear out? What happens to the White Sox if Buehrle or Garcia or Garland go down with an injury, or see their performance slip dramatically because they're simply tired? With Buehrle, it's not that likely for several reasons, but what about a guy like Freddy Garcia?
At what point can the White Sox no longer rely on players to push themselves through back injuries that aren't going to get better by playing baseball (Hermanson and Crede), or potentially fatigue a starting pitching staff? The latter does do one positive thing, which is save the pen, but how good is that bullpen over four or five innings instead of two or three? I don't know. Maybe none of that happens. I am not Nostradamus. But I think they have things to worry about.
This will be Cabrera's second start in three days. Hopefully this one lasts a little longer and we can avoid a sweep.
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Worse?
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 8:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Worst Team in Baseball
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou Piniella
by DR common on Aug 1, 2005 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Aug 1, 2005 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been avoiding it all season...
Buddy Groom, in his rant about "Torre's boys" and how Mazzilli does the same thing, had a point. The reason that Torre has more success than Mazzilli with this strategy, though, is that Torre can go to Tanyon Sturtze, Tom Gordon and Mariano Rivera, while Mazzilli is going to Steve Kline, Chris Ray and B.J. Ryan. Nothing against Ryan or Ray, but consistently bringing in Steve Kline has been a disaster.
Also, how do we have no long reliever? You think we would have learned a lesson by now and brought up Rick Bauer or SOMEONE who can pitch more than three innings, even if it means they're going to get beat up.
by CStoneNo37 on Aug 1, 2005 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick question on team salary:
Out of the 30 Baseball teams we are listed as 14th with a 74MM team salary however 17MM of that is Sammy's. How much is the team actually paying for him?
by DR common on Aug 1, 2005 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They are paying
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok then
by DR common on Aug 1, 2005 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
by Larry Bigbie3 on Aug 1, 2005 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to throw gas on any fires...
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If true...
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What sources?
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
USA Today is reporting....
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just posted a diary on this
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Aug 1, 2005 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, *God*.
by CarrieIC on Aug 1, 2005 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comcast SportsNet?
by BrianS on Aug 1, 2005 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Already down 1-0
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Danny's trying to pitch with a bruised hand.
And I'm too depressed to care about the score.
by CarrieIC on Aug 1, 2005 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last time...
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Much better inning...
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this sucks
I am feeling a range of emotions right now. Mad at Raffy for cheating, especially because I had defended him and said I never thought he had done it. Sad for the rest of the team and the fans, who are going through the same emotions and are going to have to hear about this from other team's fans for the next 5 years. Nervous that this will set us on the road to losing another 20 games in a row.
This absolutely sucks.
by CStoneNo37 on Aug 1, 2005 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1 Game
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In light of the days other O's news...
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All one win does
by DR common on Aug 1, 2005 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that better
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's official
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Careful here....
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got him to ground out....no damage
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
raffy
by birdman on Aug 1, 2005 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't think so...
by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Aug 1, 2005 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
steriods testing
by birdman on Aug 1, 2005 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just as I said earlier....
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it would be that long...
Maybe that's why everyone's been so lethargic. They don't suck. They're just sad.
by CarrieIC on Aug 1, 2005 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would explain alot.
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
by CarrieIC on Aug 1, 2005 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
statement
They can test whether the player used it intentionally or not. Yeah right.
What does this for Raffy's hall of fame chances?
by birdman on Aug 1, 2005 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
by rebop on Aug 1, 2005 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Danny
by CStoneNo37 on Aug 1, 2005 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
UGH
Can we please get some offense???
by CStoneNo37 on Aug 1, 2005 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to sit down. A valiant effort
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad....
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buerle ejected!
by BrianS on Aug 1, 2005 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At work
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Danny hit Piersynski last inning...
Sosa gets on base w/2 outs, and Buerle plunks Surhoff in the back, tossed immediately. No previous warning for Buerle, no warning for Cabrera (or last night, when Todd hit Shinjo).
Granted, Buerle has great control and Cabrera, to be sure, doesn't.
by BrianS on Aug 1, 2005 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buehrle
by BrianS on Aug 1, 2005 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HORRIBLE!
Sorry guys, I'm a Sox fan first.
by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 1, 2005 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if
by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 1, 2005 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ass?
by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 1, 2005 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not you.
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am...
by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 1, 2005 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh..
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Gotta say...thats why I love this team. Buehrle just ended his crazy streak of going 6+ innings to execute a revenge beaning.
But I am an O's fan also and its been odd to watch things get kind of out of hand since that hot start. Very odd indeed.
by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 1, 2005 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look out, Brent.
I like Buehrle, but it was obviously intentional, and understandable given all the hit batsman in this series. Buehrle has good control, and look at the high fives he got in the dugout. I don't think Cabrera intentionally hit AJ, because he has a history of control problems and wasn't in a situation where he'd want to hit anyone.
by BrianS on Aug 1, 2005 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm at work
by Brent Brookhouse on Aug 1, 2005 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, clear the benches.
Is Raffy still allowed to fight?
by BrianS on Aug 1, 2005 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Last night
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little off subject and a little late but
- S Sosa, DH
- B Surhoff, RF
- C Gomez, 1B
- D Newhan, CF
A has been, too old to continue, the last choice of the bench players, and a minor league player.
by DR common on Aug 1, 2005 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kinda like...
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, that was my front office pick
by drj on Aug 1, 2005 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As if the Raffy news wasn't bad enough...
by BrianS on Aug 1, 2005 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Get used to it
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we're just a Konerko dinger away from
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch out team ERA
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Konerko...
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jorge
by smokinjoeo on Aug 1, 2005 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We need to
This is ridiculous.
by CStoneNo37 on Aug 1, 2005 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is the absolute worst
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dontcha love our bullpen....
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhh....
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, for the first 3-7/9 games of this series....
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A four game sweep
He should also fire the GM duo and name himself as GM/Coach. Pete, think what it will do for your ego. The first owner/GM/Coach ever.
GO PETE GO!
by DR common on Aug 1, 2005 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not go all the way...
by DurhamO on Aug 1, 2005 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sosa comes up with Javy on third...
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way he litigates...
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tieing Run
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bats
Team LOB: 12
Team LOB: 5 almost won
Team LOB: 9
Team LOB: 10
Team LOB: 16 and we scored 8 runs.
Seems like we can't hit when we need to or could it be half our lineup should not even be playing on a major league team.
by DR common on Aug 1, 2005 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
October 3rd
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appears
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
9th
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was that a dream...or is my gameday that sloooooow
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the way it really ended is
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts too
Still have 1 hour, prior to consuming, but it will commence....Another Great Day in Oriole land.
So PROUD
by DR common on Aug 1, 2005 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.... Beeeeeer....
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes
Best thing I've heard all day. Still got an hour and 40 minutes more of work ... ugh.
by CStoneNo37 on Aug 1, 2005 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a homestand!
by DurhamO on Aug 1, 2005 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Too bad...
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wait
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait...
Nah, not likely.
by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2005 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last I heard....
by elktonfan on Aug 1, 2005 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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