Gameday Thread: O's at A's, get out the brooms

by Scott Christ on Aug 17, 2005 3:49 AM EDT in News & Rumors

                           
     Daniel Cabrera, RH              Danny Haren, RH
     (8-11, 5.00)                    (10-8, 3.90)

Edit: Cabrera was a last-minute scratch.

                           
     Eric DuBose, LH                 Danny Haren, RH
     (0-0, 27.00)                    (10-8, 3.90)

     2B B Roberts                    DH J Kendall
     LF E Byrnes                     CF M Kotsay
     3B M Mora                       SS B Crosby
     SS M Tejada                     3B E Chavez
     DH J Lopez                      RF B Kielty
     1B J Gibbons                    1B D Johnson
     CF L Matos                      LF J Payton
     RF D Newhan                     2B M Ellis
     C  S Fasano                     C  A Melhuse

Game time is 3:35 on CSN.

Cabrera desperately needs a good start, and it'd be a good time for it, too. He could help lead us to a sweep in Oakland, which would just be a nice thing at this point. After today, go A's, because I don't want to watch the Yankees in October.

I like Haren and he's been good this year, on fire his last three outings, lowering his ERA from 4.36 to 3.90. He's got decent strikeout numbers, a good WHIP (1.25) and he's only 24. I liked the Mulder trade when the A's made it and it's turned out to be a bargain, especially considering Haren's cost and age. He is a superior pitcher to Mulder in every way, and he didn't go to Michigan State. (For the record, he's a Pepperdine alum.)

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Everyone is calling us done...

but in case you haven't noticed... we're only 8 out of the wild card. One good run (put together 4 or 5 or 6 more wins) and we're right back in the thick of if. Let's Go O's!!!

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by dayzd toe on Aug 17, 2005 9:55 AM EDT reply actions

Until mathematically eliminated

one should never give up hope.

by Just Me on Aug 17, 2005 11:04 AM EDT reply actions

first things frist

we gotta get to .500. And after that maybe we can talk. The Astros were like 56-61 last year and made the wild card, so nothing is out of reach yet. Which way will this team go? One thing that scares me is they are dangerously close to the 63-63 mark they had in 2002.... in which they then proceeded to go 4-32 afterwards.

by dtran2k3 @ Camden Chat on Aug 17, 2005 11:43 AM EDT reply actions

don't look now...

...but we've gotten to .500. :)

by zknower on Aug 17, 2005 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Now...

can we look for that wild card?

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by dayzd toe on Aug 17, 2005 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions

This ain't 2002!

"What's my secret for winning? That's easy. Pitching, defense, and three run homers" Earl Weaver

by elktonfan on Aug 17, 2005 11:45 AM EDT reply actions

Thank heavens!

That was a miserable stretch of baseball....

On another note (still about crappy ball, though), have you noticed how the ESPN.com Quickie guy has begun comparing the Royal's current losing streak to the 1988 O's streak?

Who do you root for in a situation like this? The Royals, because it's the humane thing to do OR whoever they're playing, because it sure would be nice to get rid of that 1988 AL record?

by DurhamO on Aug 17, 2005 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions

whomever the royals are playing.

i've hated that the Os have had that record, and i dont want it to stand the test of time.

sorry, kc, but you're having an awful year anyway. might as well take this albatross off our necks while you're at it....

by zknower on Aug 17, 2005 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Hey...

screw humanity (humane-ness?)... lets get that monkey off our backs... I call it self-preservation.

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by dayzd toe on Aug 17, 2005 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Haren looks like the lead singer...

of one of my kids favorite bands...I'm not sure but it might be the ICP's?
Heck, Oakland's whole lineup is full of goatees, long hair, etc.Talk about free spirits!

"What's my secret for winning? That's easy. Pitching, defense, and three run homers" Earl Weaver

by elktonfan on Aug 17, 2005 12:21 PM EDT reply actions

y'know, back in the day...

...facial hair was common in baseball. and prized. think about the moustaches of rollie fingers, catfish hunter and even thurman munson. think about rick sutcliffe's beard.

it's only in the age of joe torre's soulless, corporate yankees (banned from growing facial hair) that having a goatee is suddenly considered rebelious or free-spirited.

i read that many of the os are working on facial hair, and i'm glad. that was one stupid rule that mazilli kept from the stanks' clubhouse.

heck, look at johnny damon and boston....you could posit that having facial hair correlates to success these days!

by zknower on Aug 17, 2005 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Perlozzo...

also ended the ban on post-game music in the clubhouse. Hopefully that doesn't mean the team will have to endure Slumpin Sammy's love of Whitney Houston.

by rebop on Aug 17, 2005 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Maz banned post game music in the clubhouse?

WTF? No wonder they lost so many games in June and July. The more I hear about him, the more I really think he was the issue. I think George talked Pete into hiring him just to sabotage our Birds.

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by elktonfan on Aug 17, 2005 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Yep

According to this article in the Post he did:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081001983.html

Baltimore appears revived under Perlozzo, who is 4-2 since being given the job last Thursday. After the game rap music played loudly. Former manager Lee Mazzilli had banned postgame music. Several players have begun to show the makings of a beard. Mazzilli had banned facial hair.
"The more stuff we win, he said the more stuff we get," Gibbons said of his new manager. "The fourth win in a row we get facial hair. We're trying hard. We got that incentive."

Given their recent revival, one does have to wonder to what extent Maz was the issue.

by rebop on Aug 17, 2005 1:37 PM EDT reply actions

No facial hair

I don't get it.

Raffy's still got the raf-stache, and Brian Roberts has toyed with a soul patch on and off this season. Were there exemptions to the no facial hair rule?

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions

re:

I think moustaches have generally been allowed through many no-facial hair regimes, but most guys these days don't want just a moustache. Palmeiro's had one forever, though, so how could you ask him to change?

Another criminal in the no-facial hair thing is Willie Randolph, who has Mike Piazza looking even sillier than usual this season.

Avoid the rhubarb, hurl it whitewash and have 'em wearing the old golden sombrero! Crackerjack, boys, crackerjack!

by Scott Christ on Aug 17, 2005 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Watch out today....

Guccione, the ump that made the questionable call that led to our 2 out rally last night, is calling the balls and strikes today.
He'll be lookin to even the score, and with Danny on the mound that strike zone will be teeny weeny!
Could be a LOOOOOONG afternoon.

"What's my secret for winning? That's easy. Pitching, defense, and three run homers" Earl Weaver

by elktonfan on Aug 17, 2005 3:21 PM EDT reply actions

oh no

I hope that doesn't happen.

Hopefully the A's bats will continue to suck so bad that it won't matter.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Hello?...?

Anyone here get on GameDay Chat?

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by dayzd toe on Aug 17, 2005 3:42 PM EDT reply actions

Go Os!

Helps that the game falls during work hours.

by rebop on Aug 17, 2005 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Cabrera Scratched

They just announced on WBAL that DuBose is pitching and that Cabrera is a last minute (literally last minute) scratch.

Any theories?

Discipline? Injury? Trade?

by fellspointer on Aug 17, 2005 3:43 PM EDT reply actions

Odd.

That is really really weird.

Conspiracy theory #1:

STEROID SUSPENSION!

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 3:53 PM EDT reply actions

Well...

Selig did say there was one more coming.

by rebop on Aug 17, 2005 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions

It's ALIVE!!!! IT'S ALIVE!!!

Hey Hey... go Birds Bats... they are Alive and well!!!

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by dayzd toe on Aug 17, 2005 4:03 PM EDT reply actions

Woo Gibby

Why wait 'til the seventh tonight, guys? Let's get a big inning here.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:03 PM EDT reply actions

Bases loaded no out!

With Newhan and Fasano coming up.......

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:04 PM EDT reply actions

ugh

Double play.

At least it scored a run.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:06 PM EDT reply actions

Cabrera scratch

A's Nation people are saying it's a sore lower back. I'll assume they said on radio/TV, since I am just using GameDay.

Reading their gametime posts are funny. I think a full 40% of them just say "LET'S GO A'S" with no content...

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:13 PM EDT reply actions

Yahoo sez

"BALTIMORE PITCHER DANIEL CABRERA WAS SCRATCHED FROM TODAY'S START DUE TO SORENESS IN HIS LOWER BACK. HE IS DAY-TO-DAY."

by rebop on Aug 17, 2005 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions

LET'S GO O'S!!!!

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:15 PM EDT reply actions

sorry

had to do it.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I really hate

this continuing Buck Martinez/other commentators idea that Brian Roberts is slumping because he didn't get the All-Star break off. He's slumping because he had nowhere to go but down. He's slumping because he is. It was going to happen.

Avoid the rhubarb, hurl it whitewash and have 'em wearing the old golden sombrero! Crackerjack, boys, crackerjack!

by Scott Christ on Aug 17, 2005 4:18 PM EDT reply actions

Roberts 13-pitch at-bat

That was hot. It would have been nice to have a hit to show for it, but seven straight foul balls in a 13-pitch at bat is pretty cool.

Haren's over 50 pitches.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:21 PM EDT reply actions

haha

Now Byrnes is doin it to him. At this rate he's gonna throw 35 pitches in a 1-2-3 inning.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions

crap

Only got to 28 pitches in the 1-2-3 inning.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions

DuBose has

a No-No so far!!

by Larry Bigbie3 on Aug 17, 2005 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Way to go Jinxy McJinx

Now there's no way he'll get the No Hitter. He totally would have before, too. :(

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Are you kidding me???

You don't ever, ever bring that up until the game is over!!!! (unless you're talking about the other team)

by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 17, 2005 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions

hockey

Same rules apply in hockey. I am a goalie in a men's league with a bunch of friends (nothin serious, just screwing around) and anytime I have a shutout going with under 15 minutes left everyone on my team starts yelling "SHUTOUT!!!!" at me from the bench to jinx it.

Works every time, too.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Why

would you ever walk Jason Kendall? Jeez...

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:31 PM EDT reply actions

Haren

Think we can get Haren's pitch count up to 80 this inning? We either need a hit or a 6 pitch-at bat from Gibby.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:38 PM EDT reply actions

6-pitch at-bat

So Haren's averaging 20 pitches an innning through four. Fast-moving game.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Need to get some insurance

The O's need to help DuBose out a little.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:49 PM EDT reply actions

Fasano

Fasano double play that scores a run?

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions

double play?

take the play out and that's right.

Avoid the rhubarb, hurl it whitewash and have 'em wearing the old golden sombrero! Crackerjack, boys, crackerjack!

by Scott Christ on Aug 17, 2005 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions

beat me to it.

Crud.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Double Play

... minus the "play." Way to go Sal.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions

you know what

This series is making me mad. Yeah the A's are struggling offensively and that's a reason we won this series and could even sweep it, but still, if we hadn't COMPLETELY IMPLODED we could still be in the hunt, because sometimes this team actually plays like they're good.

Avoid the rhubarb, hurl it whitewash and have 'em wearing the old golden sombrero! Crackerjack, boys, crackerjack!

by Scott Christ on Aug 17, 2005 4:54 PM EDT reply actions

Come on Brian....

You can make this a real fun game with just a single (a really long one, because Fasano's on 2nd).

by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 17, 2005 4:54 PM EDT reply actions

Eric Byrnes

has left his bat at home this series.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 4:56 PM EDT reply actions

We have to be on a record pace

For GIDP. It's getting ridiculous.

by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 17, 2005 4:57 PM EDT reply actions

DuBose ERA

Foxsports.net tracks pitchers' ERA each inning. DuBose started the game with a 27.00 ERA, now (the 6th) he's down to 6.75. Hopefully it will keep dropping for the rest of the game!

by fellspointer on Aug 17, 2005 5:12 PM EDT reply actions

Sportsline.com

Sportsline tracks it after every out. They also track each and every pitch; showing the type of pitch, speed for fastaballs and location. Pretty impressive

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/live/MLB_20050817_BAL@OAK

by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 17, 2005 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Now that is cool.

That beats Foxsports, MLB Gameday, and ESPN hands down. Perfect for following the game from work!

by fellspointer on Aug 17, 2005 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions

re:

Only problem is getting work done.

I would probably get myself fired if I was a Cubs fan.

by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 17, 2005 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions

101 pitches...

Is that it for Eric or do you think they let him start the 7th? Hopefully they see if he has anything left, the alternatives aren't to bright.

by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 17, 2005 5:27 PM EDT reply actions

Not sure.

If I was managing I'd let him go and have someone ready so that I could yank him if he walks anybody or doesn't look like he has it. Up 5 runs, I don't see a whole lot of harm, except that our last two innings last night were kind of hairy.

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by CStoneNo37 on Aug 17, 2005 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions

5-0 game now

I don't see any reason to push him, but at the same time it's just Eric DuBose so I don't see much reason to use the bullpen in a game where they aren't really needed.

Avoid the rhubarb, hurl it whitewash and have 'em wearing the old golden sombrero! Crackerjack, boys, crackerjack!

by Scott Christ on Aug 17, 2005 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions

God I love our Bullpen...

EOM.

by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 17, 2005 5:49 PM EDT reply actions

Thanks Jason...

Way to earn your money.

by BirdFanInPhilly on Aug 17, 2005 5:49 PM EDT reply actions

Kline!!!

Please don't give up a homerun!?!

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by dayzd toe on Aug 17, 2005 6:03 PM EDT reply actions

BIG BIG

DOUBLE PLAY!!!

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by dayzd toe on Aug 17, 2005 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions

How Sweep It Is!

I only post this because I know SC hates it.

by rebop on Aug 17, 2005 6:19 PM EDT reply actions

good memory

And yes I do.

Avoid the rhubarb, hurl it whitewash and have 'em wearing the old golden sombrero! Crackerjack, boys, crackerjack!

by Scott Christ on Aug 17, 2005 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions

False Hopes?

Am I getting false hopes that the O's could on the verge of making a WC run?--- 7 Games back now, you know.

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by dayzd toe on Aug 17, 2005 6:24 PM EDT reply actions

Bigger problems

The bigger problem than being seven games back is the fact that the A's, Yankees, Indian, Blue Jays, and Twins are all in front of the Orioles. In order to win the wild card, not only would the O's have to play very, very well, but we would need none of those teams to get on a hot streak. That's very unlikely. But we can keep hoping until the numbers say we can't!

by antinous on Aug 17, 2005 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Check out the Indian's schedule

Even if the A's and the LAofA Angels of AofLA, and the Yankees all falter, the Indians have a ridicuously easy schedule from here on out. They're my backdoor pick. The O's have a tough road ahead. I'm not getting too excited.

by drj on Aug 17, 2005 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions

wild card

We need to go 30-10 to even think about the wild card. While I would love to believe we could go 30-10, it's just not realistic. I'll be very happy if we could finish with 85 wins.

by birdman on Aug 17, 2005 7:05 PM EDT reply actions