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New Poll: Grade the offseason

I'm not even going to really share my opinion, because I get to do that enough. I mean, so do you, but whatever.

Anyway, this is all about you. Grade the O's offseason, and make your case for why. I'm really interested to see how everyone is feeling with the acquisitions/losses as a whole.

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I picked "C"
Not in an attempt to be mean-spirited, "C" is supposed to be average.  They did what it took to stock the bullpen, and they even put out offers to top-shelf guys like Schmidt and Lee.  But they lost on Schmidt, Lee, Gonzo (no big loss there) -- and PA apparently meddled enough to kill off at least one LaRoche trade.  So it's not a disaster, but it ends up as more of the mediocre water-treading that we're used to.

by punkrawka on Dec 20, 2006 6:25 AM EST reply actions  

Also C
Mediocre, in that I haven't particularly liked anything they've done, but they also haven't done anything absolutely ridiculous either. Payton is probably a bad idea, but it doesn't come at a huge cost. But we've avoided disastrous free agent signings, and we haven't traded away any decent prospects for Jose Vidro.

by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Dec 20, 2006 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

d
i think they're wasting valuable resources on garbage, show an utter lack of creativity and have consistently shown a lack of understanding of the fundamentals of the modern business...not to mention the organization's place on the mlb foodchain.

that said, i liked the wright deal and some of the early waiver signings, but they've basically nullified an early goodwill w/ subsequent transactions.

by jq higgins on Dec 20, 2006 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

B
I know I am optimistic, but the team did improve in areas where we struggled last year.

Maybe we overpaid for the relievers.But I dont think anyone can argue that the bullpen is worse. (Its not my money and there isnt a cap to hamstring us later on.)

Maybe Jay Payton isnt anything great, but hes a whole lot better than what we had. We might still acquire another bat, too.

A grade of C or D in my mind implies that we got no better or worse than we were last year. I think this year's team will be much improved over last years.

That being said, I dont feel the Orioles put enough resources into signing Caribbean players. Those players are all free agents, and I am sure that most of them care only about money and that if we put our money into signing young players from the Dominican and Venezuela that it would help us more than signing retreads.

However, I dont think you can argue that we are worse for the moves made this offseason. Not as good as we could be? Maybe. But worse? No.

by nittany lion on Dec 20, 2006 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

C-
I think they were looking for a relatively cheap and conservative way to make an improvement, and concentrated on the dismal bullpen. I'm a bit puzzled as conventional wisdom seems to be to not overspend on a bullpen. The plan certainly looks to be pray hard that Loewen and Cabrera make big strides, while Penn takes some steps, perhaps in an already overloaded bullpen? They'll carry the team due to the lack of offensive fire power.  I'm tired of the constant excuses that the big name FA's won't come to Baltimore. That's a cop out. The FO needs to make some trades to acquire young talent (Shealy last year, LaRoache this year). They sure look downright incapable when it comes to evaluating and trading for talent. I'm holding out hope that the bullpen arms are trade bait in July. If past history is an indication, we'll have the same roster come Aug. 1.

At this point in time I'm frustrated. I expect more of the same, which is hanging out in fourth place. The starting pitching should be better but erratic. The bullpen will save more games. Perhaps the excitement will be we'll come to the home stretch and the O's have a shot at .500 or only be a couple games out of third place. 2007 is a wash, so I'm hoping for the Loewen/Cabrera/Penn advancements and that the O's actually pull a trade to get young (repeat young) talent, that positions them for some excitement come 2008. If they do so, I'll need to upgrade the C-.

If you can't change your situation, then change your attitude

by drj on Dec 20, 2006 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

grading the offseason C
I,m thinking the bullpen can really pickup
some wins for the birds.Payton will help7
can fill in for patterson against some
tough leftys.
Bringing back Gomez was a good move he deserved it.

by hagersbush on Dec 20, 2006 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

B-
The bullpen really sealed this one for me.  The FO has had a real problem in the past of identifying needs and working until they are corrected.  Every off-season has brought with it so many holes to fill that the FO was often juggling too much at one time, and as a result got very little done.

Not this season.  Out of the gate, they zeroed in on one of the worst 'pens in the league last season and didn't stop spending until it was corrected.  No one-year, quick-fix signings mind you; most were multi-year deals of some of the top relief FAs on the market.  Did we overspend?  Sure we did.  Is that the only way we're going to get good players to come here until we start winning?  YES.

I'm not thrilled about Payton.  I'm pissed we couldn't get Thames.  I'm starting to get a little nervous over the first base platoon that isn't really a platoon at all.  But for the first time in a long time, the FO is actually able to feel good about crossing a huge need off their off-season wish list.  And that's above average in my book.

(I would make this grade so much higher if the O's found some way to pull Rios from Toronto while he's still cheap.)

Remember, fans, Tuesday is Die Hard Night. Free admission for anyone who was actually alive the last time the Indians won the pennant. --"Major League"

by The Sicilian on Dec 20, 2006 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

I'm with you on this
Reflected my thoughts exactly.
The bullpen is a bigger deal than maybe people have made it out to be. We allowed over 5.5 runs per game last year (both earned and unearned). That's a ton. If the bullpen is improved and the starters improve just a bit (and without Chen, Oritiz and probably RLo, they should) aren't we going to see the difference? A half a point drop in that number means 100 or so less runs scored against us. There should be some wins in there. I think concentrating on one huge weakness was very smart (and it was a pitching focus, too, which is what wins).

by Ven6 on Dec 20, 2006 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

B-
I see a fair amount of improvement from the FO this offseason, so I'm curving my grade a little. When you've had several seasons of Cs and Ds, significant action pushes you into B territory.

Like The Sicilian and Ven6 above, I think the way the FO attacked the bullpen issue was great. It served, really, three purposes: 1) fixed a crappy bullpen; 2) sent a strong signal to other teams and FAs that the Os would not be like other years and would make some changes; and 3) gave us some possible trade bait.

It was the right way to start the offseason. The fact that no major terrific acquisitions occured thereafter can honestly be explained by a seriously weak FA class, and a seriously overpriced market. The Os took there shots here and there; they didn't pan out. I don't think it was sheer incompetency or cluelessness on their part as I have thought in the past. I am really glad we are not overpaying Soriano or Lee or Gary Matthews, for chrissake. There will be lots of great sluggers available next year. Hopefully, the market will come down to earth by then; and if Cabrera and Loewen actually do develop, players may be interested in coming here again.

I still am disappointed in the lack of taking risks à la Frank Thomas; and it's extremely disheartening to here that Angelos still kills deals because he has a man-crush on some players (as long as that can still happen, this team will never compete; not really). But I do think the FO has made good strides this offseason.

Personally, I don't expect a lot else to happen between now and July 31. I think .500 ball is an achievable goal this year, and I'd be happy with that. Apart from the lack of more offensive pop, my biggest concerns going into this season are the development of Cabrera (and to a lesser degree, Loewen) and the development of Perlozzo. Sam has had his honeymoon year. I hope to see much better managing from him in 2007.


Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun
But mama, that's where the fun is...

by zknower on Dec 20, 2006 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

and when I say...
...that Sam has had his honeymoon "year", I actually mean "year and a third", since he managed for two months in 2005...

Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun
But mama, that's where the fun is...

by zknower on Dec 20, 2006 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

D
Middle relief and backup guys are useful...to teams that have already adressed their bigger problems.

by pipkin on Dec 20, 2006 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

well,
what would you have had them do differently?

Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun
But mama, that's where the fun is...

by zknower on Dec 20, 2006 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Offense
Offense for one and starting pitching for two. Upgrading the bullpen and bench without addressing the 17th-ranked offense and poor starting pitching is like a football team with a bad defense and offensive spending a lot of money on a return guy.

Crap. That's the redskins. I hate being a redskins fan.

by pipkin on Dec 21, 2006 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

try the Lions
"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by Scott Christ on Dec 22, 2006 6:51 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, right
but that's easy to say.

i mean what specifically. would you have had them do, given this offseason's FA class and the market? they made offers for offense that were rejected. there were no frontline pitchers available apart from Zito. what would you ahve done?

tried to land dice-k?


Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun
But mama, that's where the fun is...

by zknower on Dec 22, 2006 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Dice-K would have been nice
Though I suppose the cost was a tad (heh) prohibitive.

I would've  (or would, they could still happen) to see some trades. Not trades just to trade, Jim Bowden style, but the FO is too attached to the prospects, and even to everyday players. Peter vetos a trade just because he likes B-Rob. The FO won't trade guys like Penn and Loewen, or even Ray, to get the offense that the team needs.

I'm less sold on trading Tejada (contract's too good, no other shortstops to be had) or Bedard (soft spot for homegrown pitching that's actually good), but if it made the team better now, or even  better for the future, I'd be on board.

Basically my point is that the FO shows a decided lack of creativity. Instead of whining about the lack of free agent interest except as a way to jack up the price (which admittedly exists) do what you can with the resources you have to actually change things. All these bullpen guys and Freddie Bynum aren't gonna get us outta fourth place.

by pipkin on Dec 23, 2006 2:50 AM EST up reply actions  

i hear you
especially on the PA thing.

I do harbor a hope somewhere that our bullpen depth will lead to a trade for offense once the season begins. But that might be a foolish hope.


Mama always told me not to look into the eyes of the sun
But mama, that's where the fun is...

by zknower on Dec 23, 2006 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

RE:
Middle relief was arguably are biggest problem.  We had the worst bullpen in the ML last year.  I'm not saying there are a shitload of problems remaining, but at least they have addressed the biggest issue.  

We do still need a big bat(s) in the outfield, at 1B and/or DH.  If they aren't able to pick up an impact player, I'll give them a C.  If they do somehow get a firstbaseman or an outfielder (not named Payton) I'll probably move that up to a B.  

momma take a look now at what your boy has done; he's walking around like he's number one; he went downtown and bought him a gun.

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 21, 2006 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

re:
I'm not sure that was THE biggest issue, but it was the easiest to patch up with early signings.

I agree it needed to be fixed though, one way or the other.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by Scott Christ on Dec 21, 2006 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

A
it shows that the FO is trying. and i like to be optimistic
Portland,Oregon loves the O's

by westcoastOfan on Dec 21, 2006 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

The Orioles Offseaon
C- minus.

We may have improved with the bullpen (albeit, very expensive), we still lack offense punch and we have only marginally upgraded the outfield. The FO is putting forth an effort, however, we do need to win to get better free agents here. That will take time and our talent developing.

Everything will right now lie on the pitching. If our pitching comes together and the young guys reach their potential, .500 and maybe (hopefully optimistic) third place could be on the horizon.

We need a heck of a lot firepower to take on the Yanks and Red Sox.

my site: http://oriolepost.blogspot.com

by mdguy2415 on Dec 21, 2006 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

B-
I really like the BP repair/upgrade. It gives good damage control for the rotation as well as some potential for trades. The starting rotation got an small upgrade in Wright. I say upgrade in assuming Wright helps push Lopez's useless ass out the door. Would still like to see the FO take a shot on Mulder if he isn't too pricey.

I would've liked to seen a good offensive acquisition like the rest of us, but since the list of suitors was small and overpriced, I am content with how its played out.

All in all it is pitching that keeps you in the game if your weak offensively. So the FO is doing something right for a change.......so it seems......

by O face on Dec 22, 2006 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

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