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The 40 Greatest Orioles of All-Time - No. 7 - Mike Mussina

7. Mike Mussina, RHP (1991-2000)

All-Star: 1992, 1993, 1994, 1997, 1999
Gold Glove: 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999

Let's get over everything about Mike Mussina leaving for the Yankees. At this point, the wound is about six years old, he hasn't won anything, and Mussina is an aging pitcher being paid a ton of money. Moose left, and I've never had anything less than respect for his decision to leave. I don't care for where he went, but that's not the most important part of it, I don't think. Mussina felt disrespected by Angelos, and I felt Angelos was disrespecting Mussina.

The Orioles were a sinking ship at the time. Mussina knew it, we knew it, Angelos may or may not have known it, Syd Thrift had no damn clue about anything. Mussina was a pitcher at age 31 that had spent his entire career with one organization and wanted to get to a World Series, wanted to win something. He thought Baltimore wasn't going to give him that opportunity. Not only that, but again, Angelos treated Mussina like a second-class pitcher.

Mussina was right, Angelos was wrong. That's the story there, at least in my opinion. I wish Mussina had stayed. He was a hero of mine as a kid pitching in little league. I wanted to be like Mike.

Anyway, Mussina's career with the Orioles was great. He was drafted in 1990, 20th overall, out of Stanford. He came up in 1991, making 12 starts and going 4-5 with a 2.87 ERA. In 1992, he went 18-5 with a 2.54 ERA. In some ways, you can say Mussina was never again as good as he was in his rookie season, and that's fair, but it also gives the impression that he had a disappointing career. He didn't.

He struggled with injury in 1993, making 25 starts and going 14-6 with a 4.46 ERA (99 ERA+, the only time as an Oriole he was any worse than the league, and it wasn't much worse). In 1994, he was 16-5 with a 3.06 ERA over 24 starts in the strike-shortened season. He won 19 games in 1995, which led theleague, and won 19 more in 1996 in a down year for him.

Moose bounced back in 1997 with a 3.20 ERA and a career-high 218 strikeouts (making three straight years he'd set a new career high, topping 158 and 204 the previous two seasons). He won 15 games that year, 13 more in 1998, and 18 in 1999.

The 2000 season was frustrating. I think we all knew that was it for Mussina as an Oriole. He went 11-15, but he pitched really well. He struck out 210 batters with a 3.79 ERA (125 ERA+). The 3.79 ERA was third in the league that year. He was still a very good pitcher.

Then what happened happened, and Mike went off to be a Yankee. I always kind of thought New York wouldn't be the best fit for him, and I don't know how he really feels about it at this point, because Mussina isn't a talker. He never was. To me, he seems like a quiet, reserved, intelligent guy, which is going to rub some people the wrong way. He also seems like the kind of guy that can get agitated easily and maybe say the wrong thing, which has happened of course. But he also never seemed to let that get to him, either.

Mussina has always been a pitcher that does his job. It wasn't until 2004 that you could even consider him anything but reliable. Age is catching up with him, injuries are starting to nag, and sooner rather than later, Mike Mussina will retire. He has 224 career wins, a .638 career winning percentage, and better numbers than a lot of guys in the Hall of Fame. He's never won a World Series, never won 20 games, and never was a highlight reel type of guy. I have a feeling that when Mussina retires, he'll soon be forgotten, which would be a shame.

As for his Hall chances, I'd doubt it. He's just never really made enough noise, the most noise he's ever made being signing an enormous contract with the Yankees. His HOF Standards are currently at 46 (average HOFer ~ 50) and his HOF Monitor is at 102 (likely HOFer > 100). Maybe I'll be surprised and Mussina will get in there, and hopefully if he does, he'll wear an Orioles cap. He's had a career a lot like Pappas, only better.

FRANCHISE RANKINGS
7th, ERA (3.53, min. 800 innings and being a starter)
1st, adjusted ERA+ (130, same qualification)
3rd, Wins (147)
1st, W/L Pct. (.645)
6th, Innings Pitched (2009 2/3)
2nd, Strikeouts (1535)
5th, Games Started (288)
8th, Shutouts (15)

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good ol mikey
Yeah he was a smart guy, Economics degree at Stanford. Great, great pitcher. I totally respect him also, and he usually gets good ovations when he comes to Camden. My sister totally thinks hes hot too.

by dtran2k3 on Mar 13, 2006 10:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Though he might even be higher.
Mussina is easily on of the best Orioles I've ever seen play, and certainly the best pitcher. I'm sure Palmer will be higher on the list, and I don't dispute that; but Palmer was winding down when I saw him.

Mussina was smart and crafty and a near sure-thing every five days. When's the last time we had a pitcher you knew wasw going to win most of the time? A bona-fide stopper?

I distinctly remember Mike getting involved in a brawl during a Seattle game early in his career and pitching not quite as well afterwards. Perhaps it's my perception, but I felt that before that brawl he was unhittable, and afterwards, only "great". I sometimes find myself wondering if he'd have been better if it never happened.

Mussina was patchy in the postseason. He had, if I remember correctly, some less-than-stellar outings in '96, but then kind of atoned in '97 when he finally won "a big game".

My only gripe about Mike is that when he did talk, he had a habit of dumping on the team behind him sometimes. He'd say stuff like "Well, I did my part..." all the time. Since he got terrible run support in his career as an Oriole, that type of comment was often true; but there's no reason to say that as often as he did.

He was right to leave the team, as it was clear they didn't really value him. And for all we want to say about him not wining a WS with the Yanks (and I admit I hope he doesn't), he hasn't been stuck on a 4th-place team for the past 6 years, either.

Mike's a free agent after this season. It will be interesting to see what that does to his numbers this year, and where he goes next.

by zknower on Mar 13, 2006 10:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Arrggh
That subject should read Thought he might even be higher.

by zknower on Mar 13, 2006 10:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Moose
I just checked his wins to see if he was anywhere near 300.  He's at 224 and given that he's 37, he's probably won't get near 300 unless he has Roger Clemens like turnaround.  I guess that means no hall of fame for Moose.

by birdman on Mar 13, 2006 10:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I dont blame Moose for leaving
I loved em' still do and I think he had every right to leave. Angelos screwed it up (whats new) and treated are homegrown ace like as you said a second grade pitcher. If he had stayed his whole career with the O's he'd be higher no doubt and alot more of a hero for playing his whole career here and what not but Angelos screwed it up and he knew the O's were going down so whatever I think im ranting
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow" Earl Weaver

by Larry Bigbie3 on Mar 13, 2006 11:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This might be his year
for records.. 20 wins and I'd like to think with his D-fence a NO NO. I think he needs either of them and maybe a CY to get into the HOF and this could be the year for him  

I would vote for Moose over Barry any day.

PLay like you want it, Live like you need it

by merdon1332000 on Mar 14, 2006 6:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

re:
It's been Mike's year to win 20 and a Cy Young since 1993. Ain't happened, probably ain't gonna. However if he did win 20 and the Cy Young, I'd applaud him. Quietly.
"My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.'" - Earl Weaver

by SC on Mar 14, 2006 6:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hating Pete...
...doesn't mean liking Mike.  

I root for the former to sell the team and the latter to lose every time out.

Sorry.

by howie14 on Mar 14, 2006 8:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Got the talent
Mussina always had the talent but I thought his attitude sucked. Everything was a dang greek tragedy to him. His ill fated contract negotiations, his interactions with the fans, everything always looked to me like Mussina had to put forth more effort than he cared to.

On the few occasions I met him at card shows or what not, he was always being a jerk to the fans, as though he felt he was above having to actually interact with the paying customers.

Since he's been in New York nothing has been his fault in that same "I'm awesome, everyone around me sucks" mentality. He's not won 20 games or a WS up there, yet it's aways because he doesn't get run support or because the fielders behind him stink.

I loved having Moose in an O's jersey but he always seemed like a spoiled brat to me. And for the record I felt this way long before he became a MFY.

by Mike Boehm on Mar 14, 2006 9:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

One of the great things
about baseball is that there is a significant part that is deeply irrational. I used to think Mussina was great. Now one of the highlights of the year is Mussina's annual failure to win a championship/20 games. He has exactly as many rings as Sidney Ponson, despite playing for one of the perenially dominant teams. Shallow, I know, but, Angelos aside, Mussina had to know exactly what he was doing to all the fans who cheered for him for years. I like to imagine that he and Angelos will be stuck together in a room in Hell for, if not infinity, at least a very long time.

by jimtraberwheels on Mar 14, 2006 6:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Woah
thats a little much, were talking about Angelos!
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow" Earl Weaver

by Larry Bigbie3 on Mar 14, 2006 6:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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