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The 40 Greatest Orioles of All-Time - No. 14 - Milt Pappas

14. Milt Pappas, RHP (1957-1965)

All-Star: 1962, 1965

I don't want this to sound wrong, so I'll just say it point blank: There's not a huge difference between Milt Pappas and Don Drysdale and Catfish Hunter, both of whom are in the Hall of Fame. In fact, you can make a fine argument that Pappas was better than Hunter, but everyone knows Catfish was overrated, and Drysdale was better than Pappas but not by a lot, and most people realize that Drysdale was overrated.

I don't really have a point with that, it just strikes me as odd -- as it does in all situations like this -- that Drysdale and Hunter are immortalized in the Hall of Fame while Pappas is just kind of a name from the old days. I suppose part of it could be that Pappas, while he had a 17-year career and won 209 games and was generally above average the whole way, never had a great season or even one that was particularly memorable. He won at least 15 games seven times in his career, but never won more than 17, and he did that (twice) toward the end of his run.

Bill James covered this whole thing in Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame?, which I've never actually been able to find. Baseball Library has the excerpt concerning Drysdale v. Pappas, however.

Pappas came up in 1957 at age 18, pitching four games of relief. At 19, he made 31 appearances (21 starts) and went 10-10 with a 4.06 ERA. Not great, but then again, he was 19. At 20, Pappas won 15 games, pitched 200 innings for the first time, and had a 3.27 ERA (116 ERA+). His best seasons with the Orioles were his final two. He went 16-7, 2.97 over 251 2/3 innings in 1964, and in 1965 he was 13-9, 2.60 over 221 1/3.

While Pappas was a fine pitcher and the best of the Baby Birds, it is doubtless that anyone would say his greatest contribution to the Orioles wasn't being traded on December 9, 1965, with Jack Baldschun and Dick Simpson, to the Cincinnati Reds for Frank Robinson. Pappas never really panned out for Cincinnati (he was pretty good in '67), and he didn't do much in Atlanta afterward, but he pitched some of his best baseball for the Cubs at the end of his career, winning 17 games in 1971 and 1972. The best run of his career was with Baltimore, though.

Pappas also had plenty of quirks, I guess you could say. He had a reputation very early in his career, complaining a lot with umpires and making a show of doing so. He once called the press box during a game to complain about a scorer's decision that credited him with four earned runs. And he was considered, at the time, to be a bit soft. Nowadays, a guy who throws the amount of innings Pappas did would be considered a workhorse, really, but at the time pitchers completed their starts a good deal of the time, and Pappas was never that guy. He was, basically, a modern (as in, now) pitcher in a time when that wasn't the norm. While you could say it's unfair, that's how it was.

Would you put Pappas in the Hall of Fame? I'm not even sure that's the real question, actually. The question is does Catfish Hunter belong there (not really), and does Drysdale? Disregard his name.

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I probably wouldn't
But I wouldn't put Hunter and Drysdale in, either.

Pappas won 99 games in the NL.  Was retiring his choice or did MLB make it for him?  You'd think someone would have brought him back to try for that one win.

by howie14 on Mar 9, 2006 3:21 PM EST   0 recs

ahh poor milt
excellent, excellent career. I could see a case for putting him in the hall and I could see a case for keeping him out of the hall. Either decision has merit to it. But it was a travesty that the voters didnt even give him a 2nd thought and he was off the ballot within a year.

There are many factors to him being shut out, but the main reason is exposure. His best run was with the Orioles, and that was when the team was horrible and just moved to Baltimore. No one really cared about the O's back then and he just wasted away on bad teams. Also he only made the playoffs once with the Braves.

And as SC said, his peak wasn't really high. He had no era in which he dominated, not even a year in which he did. He was simply very good.

I think Drysdale belongs in. Catfish Hunter and Pappas dont.

ERA+

Drysdale 121 (with one Cy Young, 8 all star games)
Pappas 110 (No Cy Youngs, 2 AS games)
Hunter 104 (with one Cy Young, 8 AS games)

And when the HoF makes it's ballot, you have to look at the name, regardless of how hard the voters try to avoid it. And also Drysdale retired at age 32 because of a injury. You know the voters were thinking about "what could have been".

by dtran2k3 on Mar 9, 2006 4:25 PM EST   0 recs

Bill James book
Anyone interested in the Bill James book Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame? (hardcover title The Politics of Glory) -- there are lots of cheap copies for sale online. Half.com and abe.com both have multiple copies below $5.

by jds1339 on Mar 9, 2006 5:49 PM EST   0 recs

I dont think
Pappas or Hunter should be in the HOF (but you can make a case) but I think Drysdale should. 3500 IP 209 wins (but 166 losses) a 2.95 ERA about 2500 SO ERA+ of 121, seem like HOF numbers to me.
"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow" Earl Weaver

by Larry Bigbie3 on Mar 9, 2006 6:04 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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