Gameday Thread: O's at Twins, 06/10

by Scott Christ on Jun 10, 2006 1:22 PM EDT in News & Rumors

Daniel Cabrera, RH Carlos Silva, RH (3-2, 4.66) (2-7, 7.76)

Game time is 7:10 on WJZ and FSN North.

Ignoring the statistics for a moment: This is possibly the biggest stylistic difference you could possibly have between two starting pitchers. Both are big dudes (Cabrera 6'7", 258, and Silva 6'4", 246), but that and being right-handed is about all they have in common. Cabrera is extreme K or BB, Silva is extreme ball in play.

But now let's talk about their seasons. Last year I compared Silva to Kirk Rueter where his success was almost unfathomable given his lack of stuff, but Silva had a really nice season in 2005: 9-8, 3.44, 1.17, walked nine batters in 188 1/3. This year he's already walked nine and is getting lit up bad. He fell out of the Twins rotation for a few weeks, but returned on June 4 at Oakland. He wasn't very good.

Cabrera walked nine people against the Devil Rays on April 12. He has walked 44 batters in 46 1/3 this season. He's walked 19 in his last three starts. Cabrera seems to be bristling at the constant harping on his walks, but look, walks aren't REALLY the problem. You can get by them. Nolan Ryan did. It's that his walks have GONE UP, and they were always bad to begin with. That's where my problem is, anyway. He's gotten WORSE with it. It's not just that he hasn't improved.

Should be...interesting.

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Go Danny

I'm not sure what it is about the Twins. Both teams are about equally bad, but why these excruciating losses?

Danny will put an end to it tonight.... right? Eh,

Go O's.

by drj on Jun 10, 2006 6:51 PM EDT reply actions

Nice double.

And a nice, patient AB. Let's see some more of those.

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 7:13 PM EDT reply actions

Bunting in the first?

What the hell. This guy gives up tons of hits. Why not swing away in the first inning and see how good he is?

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 7:13 PM EDT reply actions

Re:

And bunting him to 3rd!? I have to figure Sam was thinking get Danny an early lead. Maybe it will help him settle down.

by drj on Jun 10, 2006 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

3-0

See, everyone who's swinging has hit the ball. Too bad we gave away an out.

Still, nice to have a lead. Thanks Mora and Tejada!

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 7:16 PM EDT reply actions

Cabrera looks

like he has no idea where the ball is going.

La Louche, L-A-Louche!

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 7:28 PM EDT reply actions

Bull Durham

Cabrera STILL looks like Nuke in the first half of the movie. It's been a few years now, isn't it time for the second half of the movie? You know, the part where he figures his mojo out and is awesome??

http://www.2632.blogspot.com

by 2632 on Jun 10, 2006 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions

He needs

our AAA catcher to start rooming with him on the road, lol.

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Boy....

...that Danny sure is somethin', idn't he? It's like I'm not even watching baseball anymore when he's pitching. The normal rules do not apply.

"You'll get better. I promise." - Cal Ripken Jr.

by Jonnypops on Jun 10, 2006 7:33 PM EDT reply actions

Re:

But the law of averages still catch up

by drj on Jun 10, 2006 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Continuing this alternate universe

This is a major jinx while he's pitching, but Danny has quitely lowered his era and is battling Benson for the best of our starters. That blows my mind.

by drj on Jun 10, 2006 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Please stop jinxing him

"You'll get better. I promise." - Cal Ripken Jr.

by Jonnypops on Jun 10, 2006 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Come on

Carlos Silva has been Bruce Chen-like. I want to see runs, and more runs. Instead, the O's have let him settle in. Enough!

by drj on Jun 10, 2006 8:11 PM EDT reply actions

Shit

3 pitches, 3 batters, 3 outs.

That has gotta be some kind of record.

by leitch71 on Jun 10, 2006 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Interesting.

I wonder how often that happens? Probably a few times a year.

Maybe not even that often.

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Millar

another nice AB. He's really growing on me.

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 8:20 PM EDT reply actions

Don't have roberts bunt

swing away!

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 8:22 PM EDT reply actions

Im really growing to hate Sam

anyone else?

"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow" Earl Weaver

by Larry Bigbie3 on Jun 10, 2006 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah...

let's chase this guy

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 8:25 PM EDT reply actions

WTF?

WHY IS FAHEY BUNTING?

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 8:27 PM EDT reply actions

Because Sam sucks as a manager

"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow" Earl Weaver

by Larry Bigbie3 on Jun 10, 2006 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Kevin Millar running is not a pretty sight

But it's another run on the board, so that makes the ugly pretty.

www.oriolecentral.blogspot.com

by tonytarasco on Jun 10, 2006 8:30 PM EDT reply actions

Pop quiz

A RH pitcher gives up three straight hits in the fifth. YOu have a three run lead.

Your rookie lefty is batting .272. Do you

Have your rookie swing away and make everyone on the team feel like you can have big innings agin; or
Play the game like a scared grandmother, give an out away by having the kid bunt and then watch Mora stirke out?

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 8:31 PM EDT reply actions

A COLOSSAL WASTED OPPORTUNITY

Message to Sam: Playing not to lose instead of playing to win usually has the opposite effect you intended.

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 8:33 PM EDT reply actions

YOWSA!

nice catch by Fahey!

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 8:35 PM EDT reply actions

WOW!

Amazing double play! (Although Muer looked like he might've been safe at first.)

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 8:40 PM EDT reply actions

Another fucking bunt?

What the hell is going on?

"You'll get better. I promise." - Cal Ripken Jr.

by Jonnypops on Jun 10, 2006 8:46 PM EDT reply actions

I know what it is....

...they haven't been bunting well this year, so Perlozzo is having them practice tonight against the Twins' live pitching.

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions

That's now...

...a quality start for Cabrera.

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 8:56 PM EDT reply actions

I missed a few innings

I missed all the bunting. My theory of getting an early run for Cabrera doesn't hold water. Is this what the O's are reduced to? Middling inning sacrafices so you can throw away an out? Making Patterson bunt? I understand he's slow and all, and easy to double up, but Lopez was already at second. Not that this bugs me.

Now the bullpen better hang on for Cabrera.

by drj on Jun 10, 2006 9:03 PM EDT reply actions

Ooof...check out this Lohse guy...

...and I thought our pitchers were bad.

"You'll get better. I promise." - Cal Ripken Jr.

by Jonnypops on Jun 10, 2006 9:05 PM EDT reply actions

Re:

I thouhgt he was sent to AAA a few weeks back. Silva has been about equal to Chen. Loshe has been worse.

by drj on Jun 10, 2006 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Never fails...

...and of course he goes through the bottom of the lineup 1-2-3 as soon as I post that.

"You'll get better. I promise." - Cal Ripken Jr.

by Jonnypops on Jun 10, 2006 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions

OK

Say somethign about Halama so he'll go thru the Twins middle order.

by drj on Jun 10, 2006 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm sure there's a way Kyle Lohse can spell..

Jim Brower

www.oriolecentral.blogspot.com

by tonytarasco on Jun 10, 2006 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions

As-Halama-Lakum

"You'll get better. I promise." - Cal Ripken Jr.

by Jonnypops on Jun 10, 2006 9:14 PM EDT reply actions

Grand salami.

Now we're going to need all those runs. Too bad we kept bunting.

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 9:29 PM EDT reply actions

Fahey is starting to remind me of Joe Orsulak

he's making crazy diving catches tonight. Not all of them have been successful, but the effort's pretty awesome.

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 9:34 PM EDT reply actions

halama

hes given up multiple runs in 5 of his last 6 appearances. This is Jim Brower all over again.

by dtran2k3 @ Camden Chat on Jun 10, 2006 9:41 PM EDT reply actions

Was that

a second bad call at first base in favorf of the O's?

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply actions

Great hustle by Hernandez

tagging 1b to 2b on the CF out. BUt if the second basemen had been even looking at him, he'd have been out by a mile.

this is a weird game.

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 9:58 PM EDT reply actions

it better get no weider in the bottom of the 9th

3 up 3 down will be fine

by drj on Jun 10, 2006 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Ummmm...

...did they just intentionally walk Corey Patterson with 2 outs?

"You'll get better. I promise." - Cal Ripken Jr.

by Jonnypops on Jun 10, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply actions

right

so do you think the twins minded when sam took the bat out of his hands in the sixth with no outs and a man on second?

by drj on Jun 10, 2006 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Well that all worked out nicely.

I can totally see walking Corey. He's a lefty batting .291 and Millar is a righty batting .234.

Of course it didn't pan out for them, did it?

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 10:02 PM EDT reply actions

What was that?

Mauer just set some record and joined the company of "Bonds and Ruth" according to the announcers. Did anyone hear what it was?

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions

record

On base 4 times in 5 straight

by leitch71 on Jun 10, 2006 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh no no no!

Ray my baby dont do this to me!!!

"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow" Earl Weaver

by Larry Bigbie3 on Jun 10, 2006 10:10 PM EDT reply actions

Oh Christ...

...c'mon Chris.

"You'll get better. I promise." - Cal Ripken Jr.

by Jonnypops on Jun 10, 2006 10:10 PM EDT reply actions

DAMMIT RAY

NAIL IT DOWN

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 10:10 PM EDT reply actions

thank god

Redmond and Morneu are up

"We're so bad right now that for us back-to-back home runs means one today and another one tomorrow" Earl Weaver

by Larry Bigbie3 on Jun 10, 2006 10:11 PM EDT reply actions

That looked better

Maybbe he needs the pressure of a close situation.

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 10:11 PM EDT reply actions

Nice stab by Mora

That'll help settle things down.

Now a DP ends it.

by zknower on Jun 10, 2006 10:13 PM EDT reply actions

P.A., P.A., Go Away, come back NO OTHER DAY!!!

by dayzd toe on Jun 10, 2006 10:21 PM EDT reply actions

Crap...

The one game you miss ...sounds like the best game we have in awhile. crap...

A challenge to Eric Bedard either pitch like we know you can or be man enough to get the hell out of here. We deserve better.

Go O's....

by Patts69 on Jun 11, 2006 12:54 AM EDT reply actions

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