There will be no Tejada Trade

by therobotian on Jul 31, 2006 12:15 AM EDT Comment 42 comments

"It's over," an Astros official told FOXSports.com Sunday night. "We told them we're not dealing with them anymore."

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The Astros, according to a major-league official with knowledge of the discussions, feared that the Orioles would flip their most prized acquisition for Tejada -- Astros right-hander Roy Oswalt Â-- to Houston's cross-state rival, the Texas Rangers.

The Orioles, according to the official, intended to trade Oswalt to the Rangers for a package of three players -- third baseman Hank Blalock, Triple-A shortstop Joaquin Arias and one of the Rangers' top pitching prospects.

They also would have ended up with two other players from the Astros -- third baseman Morgan Ensberg and shortstop Adam Everett -- effectively making the deal a 5-for-1 for Tejada.

Presumably, the Orioles then would have spun one of the third basemen, Blalock or Ensberg, or shifted one of them to first, while moving their current third baseman, Melvin Mora, to the outfield.

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The Angels, who offered the Orioles a package of right-hander Ervin Santana and Triple-A shortstop Erick Aybar for Tejada, also have pulled out of the Tejada discussions, the official says.

The Dodgers are not actively pursuing Tejada, other sources say.

Sounds over. But man, what a story that would have made.

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As for my personal opinions

Kudos to the FO for even having the balls to TRY that series of trades. Bravo!

So it didn't work out. So the Astro's wised up and backed out. The fact that Oswalt was on the table and off the table so quickly tells me that the deal really was about to happen, and that makes me proud of my FO.

So no, it doesn't look like we'll be trading Miggy. But, true to their word, the FO did their best to hustle the league into getting them a high return. Maybe they overshot it a bit, but sometimes that's part of playing harball.

by therobotian on Jul 31, 2006 12:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm glad

for once they got it right. It's not time.

"I'm a big dumb asshole with herpes and I eat babies" - Peter Angelos

by BleedingOrange on Jul 31, 2006 12:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes but it just worsens

are teams rep. as a bad to team to work with AND LEADBELLY TOO.

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by Larry Bigbie3 on Jul 31, 2006 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This also means

we didn't trade Lopez, Lopez, Conine, Hawkins, or Millar.

Crap.

"I'm a big dumb asshole with herpes and I eat babies" - Peter Angelos

by BleedingOrange on Jul 31, 2006 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by Larry Bigbie3 on Jul 31, 2006 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

God

you say the sweetest things, Larry. I love you so good.

"I'm a big dumb asshole with herpes and I eat babies" - Peter Angelos

by BleedingOrange on Jul 31, 2006 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh well...

what the hell.

here's to doing it all over again next year.

"If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" - Will Rogers

by zenmaster on Jul 31, 2006 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

trade

I may sound crazy but I'm not down with Tejada for Blalock, Arias, Everett, Ensberg and a Rangers pitching prospect (presumably Danks and Diamond). Blalock still can't lefties and currently holds a .758 OPS which is most likely league average. Ensberg is injuried and 30. Everett is uselss when the O's have Fahey. Danks and Diamond are good prospects but nothing special. And Arias is even less impressive. Volquez is best mentioned prospect but for Tejada I want more than him and the other pieces that were coming back. Check out Sickel's review for more on Ranger's prospects (http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2006/7/15/175110/447).

by birdman on Jul 31, 2006 2:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No one wants to play with me!

That's what Flanny will be saying tomorrow as GMs stop answering his calls.

Why? Check out the paragraph from the Rosenthal article after the description of the flip of Oswalt to the Rangers:

The Astros, one major-league executive says, feared that the Orioles would flip Oswalt, their most prized acquisition for Tejada, to Houston's cross-state rival, the Texas Rangers.
A National League executive disputes that theory, saying the Astros "knew all along" that the Orioles were trying to flip Oswalt. The executive says that the Orioles indiscreetly shopped all of the players they were offered to other clubs, calling it "no way to do business."

So not only is Miggy not going anywhere, we probably won't be able to move ANYBODY today. Great going, guys.

And apparently, Angelos vetoed several versions of a Tejada trade over the weekend. Nothing better to instill confidence in your GM, huh? Why teams even bother to call anymore is beyond me.

And we wonder why 9 years of futility continue...

"I'm going down three times, and I'm only comin' up twice..." -Hank Williams Sr. (Was he an O's fan?)

by duck on Jul 31, 2006 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Re:

I recall grumblings about the Red Sox front office last year as being untrustworthy. The Bigbie deal caused some hard feelings as the Rockies were under the presumption that they would flip Bigbie to the Red Sox. That deal fell off the table at the last minute after after the Rockies made the trade for Byrnes. The Red Sox basically said they were too preoccupied with Manny dealings and left the Rockies holding the bag. I suspect this is just typical hardball, and if you have the goods someone really wants they'll deal regardless of the past. Flipping players seems like it would all be part of the game.

The O's FO has the reputation as being unable to make decisions. We on the outside have no idea how much Angelos gums up the works, but you have to believe there is merit to the criticism. It's been said way to often by multiple sources, even to the point where people have stated that certain organizations won't even deal with the O's.

The secret to winning is consistent, enlightened management. -Tom Landry

by drj on Jul 31, 2006 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Crybabies

Who the hell is some other GM to decide whether we flip players or not? It happens all the time in trades. Is it somehow "brilliant" when Oakland or the Yankees do it, yet "bad business" when Flanagan does?

Gimme a break.

And I read today the Astros were upset Oswalt might "go to their cross state rivals", the Rangers.

SO WHAT?

Like, the Rangers aren't even in your division. So he'd be playing in the same state. Big fucking deal.

As for Angelos' vetoes: I'm not a fan of the man, but I have to say this: He vetoed the Burnett deal last year, and turned out to be dead right. And as far as this year is concerned, the only deal I heard about that I thought Tejada was worth was the Oswalt deal...and even that was not a no-brainer. If Angelos vetoed the lesser deals, then good for him. It does mean he needs a better FO if that's the case, because lesser deals should not have been given serious discussion.

MoraTheSame: One second, I am giving birth to a lamb.

by zknower on Jul 31, 2006 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Starting to wonder about national writers...

This from John Heyman at SI.com:

"The Orioles have rejected the Angels' seemingly compelling offer of top young pitcher Ervin Santana and shortstop prospect Erick Aybar for superstar shortstop Miguel Tejada, SI.com has learned. "

Is it really? We're giving up a multiple-time All-Star SS hitting .325 with power for a #2 (11-4 with a 4.25 ERA this year) and a single prospect (who is hitting .325 in AAA, but not with much power). Is it really THAT compelling, and from whom is Heyman taking his marching orders to label it so? Or am I just being greedy?

"I'm going down three times, and I'm only comin' up twice..." -Hank Williams Sr. (Was he an O's fan?)

by duck on Jul 31, 2006 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I thought the same thing

I saw no one else calling it "compelling" (and not just on O's blogs). I wondered where he came up with that.

The secret to winning is consistent, enlightened management. -Tom Landry

by drj on Jul 31, 2006 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're not being greedy

If that deal had gone through, nobody would have called it a win for the O's. No way.

MoraTheSame: One second, I am giving birth to a lamb.

by zknower on Jul 31, 2006 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not enough

I agree that's not enough -- if I were the Nats, I'd take a deal like that for Soriano, but the Os shouldn't take it for Tejada. He's under contract at below market value and plays a much more important defensive position (even if it's third rather than short). Santana, Aybar & change would be a good deal for Soriano, but unless you get back a future star (Wood, Kendrick rather than Aybar), you can't deal Tejada.

by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Jul 31, 2006 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's just the national press...

...finding another reason to badmouth the O's. It doesn't matter if it's accurate or not. As with many things with the press, if something appears to reinforce a stereotype, it will be published reinforcing that stereotype. The writer need not even dig up the minor league stats or bother to think of the implications of what they're writing. It's the groupthink of the herd that matters.

"There's a love affair between you and the team. You're the reason we win, when we win, and you know what the magic means." - Orioles Magic by Dick Steiner

by Jonnypops on Jul 31, 2006 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is damn stupid

I honestly bet Conine, Hawkins, Rodrigo, Millar and company will still be on the roster after the deadline. What a joke.

by dtran2k3 on Jul 31, 2006 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

whats is even more stupid

is the front office is probably thinking 'if it aint broke dont fix it'.

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by Larry Bigbie3 on Jul 31, 2006 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to go out on a limb

and say Conine will be headed elsewhere withing the next two hours.

Just so you can all laugh at me and say "what a jackass zknower is" when it doesn't happen.

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by zknower on Jul 31, 2006 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Tell You What

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by Larry Bigbie3 on Jul 31, 2006 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by Larry Bigbie3 on Jul 31, 2006 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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"what a jackass zknower is"

by dtran2k3 on Jul 31, 2006 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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i had it a comin'.

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by zknower on Aug 1, 2006 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jackass

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"I'm a big dumb asshole with herpes and I eat babies" - Peter Angelos

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by zknower on Aug 1, 2006 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by Larry Bigbie3 on Aug 1, 2006 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also not taking Santan and Aybar

if that was a trade is a FOOLISH thing, I know some of are saying "WELL LB3 MIGUEL TEJEDA IS SO AWESOME HE IS A CENTER PEICE YOU SHOULD NEVER TRADE HIM EVEN THOUGH HE TAKES NO WALKS AND IS DECLINING DEFENSIVLELY!" but you know what? Aybar could easily surpass Tejeda on ofense and defense soon and Santan is already a #2 starter and could easily be a number 1, maybe you all arent familar with Aybar but he is a VERY good prospect and asking for Wood and Kendrick along with the other people is silly, DO NOT GIVE ME THIS BULLSHIT ON HOW TEJEDA IS WORTH THAT. We are worse then the Royals now I think if Angelos really didnt want that trade and arguing against me just makes you look like a fucktard.

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by Larry Bigbie3 on Jul 31, 2006 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thank You Beltway Sports Beat

"Tejada told The Sun he wasn't surprised despite all the deadline rumors. Perhaps more importantly, he told Sun reporter Roch Kubatko, 'This team, we can win ... I want to play baseball here.'"

Oh shit!!! This FO has somehow managed to convince Miggy that THIS team can win. AHHH!!! Is there no justice in this world?!? Why, God, Why!?!?

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by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2006 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

All the B12

and HGH mess with your brain I guess.

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by Larry Bigbie3 on Aug 1, 2006 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

O, that's COLD.

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by zknower on Aug 1, 2006 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't

think THAT can even be cold today. DAMN IT'S HOT!!!

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by dayzd toe on Aug 1, 2006 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

105

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by Larry Bigbie3 on Aug 1, 2006 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs