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Speaking of Erik...

Who else was disappointed that he didn't finish out the game on Monday evening?  I was upset with Sammy because I thought that perhaps he was the reason, then I read in the game review that Sammy supposedly asked Erik if he wanted to finish and Erik said no.  NO????  Why wouldn't he want to pitch a complete game?  If ever he earned it, this was the game.  Did Erik really say NO???  Or could Sammy be covering up because he's been getting crapped on for his lame decision to pull him out of the game?  I'm disappointed either way.

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Maybe his arm was actually tired?
Pitchers arent superman, maybe Erik can only throw 100 pitches, maybe he doesnt want to blow out his arm. It really doesnt bother me.
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by Larry Bigbie3 on Jul 5, 2006 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Happy
Man, I was psyched that Bedard didn't come back out.  I think teams (and players) buy into the complete game, tough-it-out mentality too much and end up doing themselves long-term harm.  How often have you seen a guy throw 100 pitches through eight innings, come in for the ninth with a solid lead, and end up giving up a couple of runs and throwing 25 more pitches in the process.  They and the team still get the win, but 125 pitches is way, way worse for you than 100 pitches, particularly when those extra 25 come when you're already tired and, if you've put runners on, in a more stressful situation.

I know that the rap on Bedard is that he's not tough, and this might play into it... but come on.  Players need to be allowed to say that they're too tired or that their arm doesn't feel good enough to go back out without getting crapped on for having a bad attitude.

by Joltin Joe Orsulak on Jul 5, 2006 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Everybody here knows by now
that I have always had Bedard's back and think he's going to play a major role in this Orioles ball club.  This kid has something special.  So I was in no way pounding negative on him for not coming back out to finish the game.  Maybe I just long for the days when pitchers actually wanted to pitch complete games when they had something great going on, and managers that let them do so.  Hell, it didn't happen very often but when it did it was something special to watch -- a profound moment -- and such an honor for the pitcher.  But, I wax nostalgic I suppose.

by Bluehen on Jul 6, 2006 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same Thing Happened...
In the game against the Marlins on June 21st, when Erik pitched eight shutout innings and struck out 12 batters.

Which was, by the way, the best Orioles pitching performance I've ever seen in person.

by MiamiCane on Jul 6, 2006 2:20 AM EDT reply actions  

The really good pitchers...
never want to be taken out of a game. Pedro Martinez or Roger Clemens could have their arm dangling by a badly frayed tendon, and they would tell their manager "I can get this guy out, I know it!" What is more, they would believe they could.

Bedard does not have the drive--the inner fire--to be a real winner. He has a lot of talent, but talent will only take you so far. This is why Bedard will never be a good pitcher. He may have a few good stretches in him like he is having now, but he does not have the mental make-up to be a really good pitcher for an extended period of time.

We should trade him now while his stock is high.

by rebop on Jul 7, 2006 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Clemens
"Pedro Martinez or Roger Clemens could have their arm dangling by a badly frayed tendon, and they would tell their manager "I can get this guy out, I know it!" What is more, they would believe they could."

According to Bill Simmons, Clemens asked out of game 6 in 1986 because he was "done".  It's amazing how Roger's reputation changed after he left Boston.  

by birdman on Jul 9, 2006 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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