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Yankees ready to include Hughes in Santana deal

ESPNews is reporting this like it's really close to being a done deal, given that Santana and the Yankees can work out an extension. It would be Hughes, Melky Cabrera and a third player for Santana.

It would be a monster pickup for the Yankees. I can't really say anything more than that. The Yankees are the World Series contenders of old if they add Johan Santana.

He's dominant, he's in his prime, and he's going to be a No. 1 for a long time. Chien-Ming Wang is a good pitcher, but they need that shutdown ace. Santana is definitely that guy.

I never wanted to hate you, Johan.

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Guh.
I really don't want that guy in my division. And that's ALL the Twins can get for the best lefthander on the planet? An extremely overrated CF (Melky's numbers are not only not impressive, they are downright horrid) and a couple of pitching prospects? Guh, I say. Guh. This rookie Twins GM is a moron. Getting Delmon Young was no great deal either. Again...overrated.

Sure, both figure to improve, but improve to what? They're both starting in a hole.

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 1, 2007 9:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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Pohlad isn't going to loosen his purse strings any time soon.

Losing Hunter and Santana is a formality. You can do worse than replacing them with Phil Hughes, Delmon Young and Melky Cabrera. It's the nature of the beast for a team run like Minnesota's -- you have to be willing to let go and take a risk.

Oakland is a case in point. Sometimes it works out (Mulder -> Haren/Calero/Blanton), sometimes it doesn't (Tejada walks, Crosby is no worthwhile replacement).

Melky is 23, Young is 22, Hughes is 22. With Melky, you get a guy who can handle center field and should be able to give league average offense soon enough, and Young will almost certainly capably replace Hunter's bat. There are definitely worse guys than Philip Hughes to gamble on to replace Santana. Not many 21-year olds throw 70 league average innings as a starter.

Thanks for the time that you've given me...

by SC on Dec 1, 2007 9:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose, sadly...
...that you're right, SC. Losing Hunter, especially at that price, was not so big a blow.

Hughes is obviously a good piece of a deal. Still, I guess why I cry and rail about this deal is that it seems to me to lower the possible asking price for Bedard. If Santana, granted only under contract for a year, can only get this much, Bedard might not fetch the Kemp/Kershaw/other pitcher I can't remember or Wood/Adenhart+1 deal from LAD or LAA.

On the bright side, at least we can't trade Bedard for Melky now. We already have one overrated Cabrera.

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 1, 2007 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

re:
Any deal that takes Santana off the market makes Bedard's value higher, I think. Or at least steady with the possibly-silly scenarios that have been envisioned where we get two blue chip prospects for a guy that's never thrown 200 innings.

Thanks for the time that you've given me...

by SC on Dec 1, 2007 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mulder....
was, i believe, flipped for haren, calero and deric barton.
So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Dec 1, 2007 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh I didn't even know I put Blanton

Thanks for the time that you've given me...

by SC on Dec 1, 2007 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably a minority view but
I welcome any news at all that's bad for the Pink Hats.
"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo on Dec 1, 2007 9:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

As much as I've come to dislike the Red Sox
my hate for the Yankees is something that will never change.

Plus, once I move out of Boston (this summer!), I'll go back to tolerating the Pink Hats.

"If you're not practicing, somebody else is, somewhere, and he'll be ready to take your job." -Brooks Robinson

by exitfare on Dec 1, 2007 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I also share this view
The Red Sox are number one with a bullet for me right now.  Orioles aren't competing next year, or the year after, and probably not the year after that, either.... so anything that causes the Red Sox pain over that time frame is okay with me.

Can you guys imagine Santana without the goatee?  I can't.  I guess we'll see it soon enough.

by PhilR8 on Dec 1, 2007 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There are no sure things
The Yankees once again will try to get the shiniest toy off the shelves in the offseason.

Maybe he becomes the next Andy Pettitte.

Then again, maybe he becomes the next Carl Pavano.

Santana will take a 5-6 year deal to land. To get him, the Yankees will mortgage Hughes?

Fine by me. We're not going to contend for at least two years. Two years from now, I'd rather face the 31 year old Santana (and hope he wilts in the NY glare in the meantime) than the 25 year old Hughes, who has already proven he can pitch under the big lights.


It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB

by zknower on Dec 1, 2007 12:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

why are the yankees
negotiating through the media.  Normally, if something like this happens I would say that their interest is bluff in order to get Boston to raise their offer.  But I believe the Yanks are geniunely interested in Santana.  Maybe the Twins are leaking this information, in which case, the Yanks will be pissed.  

by birdman on Dec 1, 2007 2:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Without Cabrera
Who will play center for the Yankees in 2008? Damon? Or are they going to go after one of the available (and overpriced) free agents?

by crawjo on Dec 1, 2007 4:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

4 Words
Corey Patterson in Pinstripes
Friend of the Working Man

by Jonnypops on Dec 1, 2007 4:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm having a party
on the roof of my building in Manhattan if this happens.  Y'all are invited, but you need to pick up beer at the deli.
Friend of the Working Man

by Jonnypops on Dec 1, 2007 6:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Santana to Yankees
Heh. I'm rooting for this trade to go through. I will happily accept one year of Red Sox whiffing on Johan's sweet change-up in exchange for the Yankees not having Hughes and/or Kennedy down the road.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Dec 1, 2007 8:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Of course in 6 years
when the Twins refuse to pay whichever kid they get for Santana, George's boys will just buy him back.
"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo on Dec 2, 2007 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot can happen in six years.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Dec 5, 2007 9:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Kielty
  we need a consistent left fielder, and he needs somewhere where he is able to get 500-600 ABs.  Plus, he is a switch hitter, wouldn't it be nice to have more than one on the team?
  and he can't be any worse than Eric Byrnes was...
"Beauty is in the eye of the bill-folder." - Buck O'Neill

by Born Under a Bad Moon on Dec 1, 2007 10:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You do NOT want Bobby Kielty on your team
Of course, you do NOT NOT NOT want Jay Payton on your team.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Dec 1, 2007 10:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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we need a consistent left fielder, and he needs somewhere where he is able to get 500-600 ABs

Two statements that do not apply to Bobby Kielty.

Thanks for the time that you've given me...

by SC on Dec 2, 2007 7:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WORLD SERIES WINNING DONG
BOBBY KIELTY

I myself am not that concerned if Santana goes to the Yankees.  They got A-Rod!  They got Randy Johnson!  Who gives a f.  They ain't won balls!  

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Dec 2, 2007 8:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It ain't...
...like Bobby Kielty is Mazeroski or Carter. He didn't hit a "World Series Winning Dong," he just hit a home run late in a game his team was already winning, against a team that was severely overmatched.

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 2, 2007 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

baltimore sun
Why is the Sun running a Newday column by Wallace Matthews on why the Yanks must get Santana?  It's this type of crap that contributes to a NY centric mindset.  How about running a column on the Orioles acquiring Santana?  Sure, it's highly likely.  The O's don't have much to offer and they may be reluctant to pay Santana's price for a contract extension.  But it's sad that a young pitcher in his prime is on the market and the O's are sitting on the sidelines.  Santana is the exactly the type of pitcher any team needs if they plan to compete in the next few years.  If the O's want to compete soon, well, extending Bedard and acquiring Santana would make a major statement.  Get a three way trade going by trading Tejada and Roberts and then flip those prospects for Santana.  So for MacPhail, do something, and for the Sun, stop running Yankee columns.  

by birdman on Dec 2, 2007 4:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Even assuming...
...that we could get prospects for Tejada and Roberts that could = Santana, who do we put at 2B and SS behind this awesome left-handed 1-2 punch we would now have? Whatever else the Twins get, they definitely want a CF (Ellsbury or Cabrera) and a SP (Hughes, Lester, Bucholz) and then a 3rd player as a prospect. Where are we going to get players like that for Tejada and Roberts?

Speaking of Roberts, are we only not trading him because Grumpy Pete wants to keep his favorite lil' 2B? Roberts isn't going to sign long term here (I don't blame him)and I like him enough to want to see him play for a winner. Ah well. Compensatory pick, here we come.

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 2, 2007 5:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Santana
"Tejada and Roberts that could = Santana, who do we put at 2B and SS behind this awesome left-handed 1-2 punch we would now have?"

Beats me, I never said acquiring Santana was a panacea.  It would be great start though.  

"Where are we going to get players like that for Tejada and Roberts?"

Not sure, but that's not the point.  Instead of thinking this can't be done, I would rather see why not thinking.  

by birdman on Dec 2, 2007 6:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would much rather see...
...MacPhail doing what all the scuttlebutt appears to suggest he IS doing...which is trade Tejada, Bedard, etc, for players who are young, cheap, and under team contractual control for several years. Santana is none of those.

I think MacPhail is trying to do the right things (get young, shed payroll, acquire lots of positional prospects) I'm just not sure if he's going to be allowed to do it, or if we can really get anything all that valuable for Tejada.

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 2, 2007 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

santana
"MacPhail doing what all the scuttlebutt appears to suggest he IS doing...which is trade Tejada, Bedard, etc, for players who are young, cheap, and under team contractual control for several years. Santana is none of those."

You can do both.  Acquire young cheap players and complement them with expensive vets in their prime.  Actually, MacPhail BETTER do both if he hopes to succeed.  

In any case, this just in from the Post.

[i]Perhaps the best of those is left-hander Erik Bedard of the Baltimore Orioles, who is definitely available now that, according to league sources, he has informed the team he has no interest in signing an extension to stay in Baltimore beyond 2009, when he hits free agency.[/i]

This might be top shelf news but this just blows.  

by birdman on Dec 2, 2007 8:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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