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TEJADA GONE - 5 Astros in return

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"Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada finally got his wish as he was traded to the Houston Astros today in president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail's boldest move to date.

In return for the four-time All-Star, the Orioles will get outfielder Luke Scott, pitchers Matt Albers, Troy Patton and Dennis Sarfate, and third baseman Michael Costanzo."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-tejada1212,0,378258.story

I don't know anything about these guys.  I believe Patton is well-regarded though.  Miggy, good luck, although you're still not going to playoffs.   Here's Sickel take on the Stro's farm system:
http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2007/11/29/142630/56

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Hallelujah!
Man, I was afraid it would never happen. And one day ahead of the Mitchell report, too!

5 guys? You'd think at least two of them would have to pan out.


It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB

by zknower on Dec 12, 2007 12:48 PM EST   0 recs

You'd think
but it doesn't always happen that way...
"If a bum like Aubrey Huff has that much fun, can you imagine how cool it must be to be a real baseball player?" - Rick Maese

by duck on Dec 12, 2007 12:50 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

From the "glass half full" dept.
It could be the ultimate revenge on Houston - the Glenn Davis trade in reverse!
"You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." - Ron White

by Sluggo on Dec 12, 2007 2:44 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Some data
Luke Scott 2008 stats:
AB    HR    AVG    RBI    R    SB
369    18    .255    64    49    3

Scott, 29, spent a full season with the Astros and showed nice pop ( OPS), but he started slow (.221 in the first half) had just 59 at-bats (.271) vs. left-handed pitching. What is worse, he looks like he will be slotted as a reserve heading into the spring. Barring a trade, he is one of the better reserve outfielders in baseball, so consider him in NL-only leagues and watch him on the waiver wire in mixed leagues if an injury hits the Astros' projected starting outfield of LF Lee, CF Bourn and RF Pence. Scott is a streaky hitter capable of going on tears that would rival most outfielders.

Matt Albers 2008 stats:
P    W-L    SV    ERA    Ks    BB
110.2    4-11    0    5.86    71    50

* Dennis Sarfate 2008 stats*:
IP    W-L    SV    ERA    Ks    BB
8.1    1-0    0    1.08    14    1
Sarfate was 2-7 with four saves and a 4.52 ERA in 45 games, including one start, for Triple-A Nashville. He appeared in eight games for the Brewers in 2006, striking out 11 hitters in 8 1/3 innings. He posted no decisions and had a 4.32 ERA...The one bright spot in Houston's 6-2 loss to Chicago on Thursday was Dennis Sarfate's scoreless inning of relief. Sarfate was acquired on Tuesday from Milwaukee for cash considerations and manager Cecil Cooper wants to use him often before the season ends. "That's a pretty powerful arm," Cooper said. "We just have to make sure that the mechanics are good. If he gets anywhere close to what he was (Thursday), he'll be a guy that's here in the league, helping us." (Updated 09/14/2007).

Houston Astros Top 20 Prospects for 2008

  1. Troy Patton, LHP, Grade B+
  2. Mike Costanzo, 3B, Grade B-

It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB

by zknower on Dec 12, 2007 12:57 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I thought...
the timing was interesting too. You gotta believe Miggy's name come up in the report.

I know nothing about these prospects, but I'm glad to see MacPhail make this move (though I reserve the right to change my mind if after a little research these I find out these guys are all garbage).

Good luck Miggy, and let the extreme makeover continue.

by rebop on Dec 12, 2007 12:58 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Is this real?
Can't be.  This is way too good of a move.  If this is real, than the Astros have been MAJORLY fleeced.
"If you're not practicing, somebody else is, somewhere, and he'll be ready to take your job." -Brooks Robinson

by exitfare on Dec 12, 2007 12:50 PM EST   0 recs

fleeced?
Could you explain?  With the exception of patton, all of these guys looks like spare parts.  Scott had a weak season in a hitters park.  He's still young experience wise so he might have some upside left.  Costanzo is a marginal prospect.  Sarfate is a reliever.  Albers is a starter but nothing special, a Garrett Olson level prospect.  

by birdman on Dec 12, 2007 12:56 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

An even trade
would be Scott and maybe one or two of these guys (Albers & Costanzo).  Granted, Sarfate is nothing special, but he's a warm body that is not Bell.  We definitely came out on top with this one.
"If you're not practicing, somebody else is, somewhere, and he'll be ready to take your job." -Brooks Robinson

by exitfare on Dec 12, 2007 1:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

this trade reminds of the Bordick trade
"We definitely came out on top with this one."

I don't know because I'm worried that none of these guys will be with the O's in two seasons.  This trade reminds of a Thrift trade from the 2000 purge.  Scott, Sarfate, Costanzo are our new Chris Richard, Leslie Brea, and Jose Leon.

by birdman on Dec 12, 2007 1:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

except for the fact...
that luke scott is good.  look at his numbers.  

i like patton in theory, but the other three look like garbage, but i'd love to be proved wrong.

So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Dec 12, 2007 1:13 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

scott
wasn't terribly good last season and he's 29.  

by birdman on Dec 12, 2007 1:19 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

that just sunk in
Scott is 29! 29!  Good grief, why did the O's get this guy especially coming off a weak season... in a hitter's park... while apparently platooning a good bit.  

by birdman on Dec 12, 2007 1:24 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Scott could be flipped
for something else.
"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer

by 2632 on Dec 12, 2007 1:30 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

RE:
Tejada wasn't terribly good last year either.  In fact, Scott was actually a considerably better hitter if you look at OPS+.  
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 12, 2007 1:26 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

huh?
what numbers are you looking at?  he had a pretty solid obp of .355 and .500 slg, the latter would have led the o's and i'm pretty sure that would have been good enough for the lead in ops.  i think he's decent in the field, as well.
So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Dec 12, 2007 1:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Scott
Ok, maybe I'm being too hard on Scott.  As birdfaninphilly just pointed out below, he did post an OPS+ 119 last season.  Nothing special for corner OF but nothing to laugh at either.  He's still way too old though.  He's in his prime now with no upside.  He was scheduled to be a reserve OF next with the Stros (?).  I don't know... next Chris Richard is a bit harsh but he doesn't look like anything much.  If he was four to five years younger, then I could be excited with Scott.    

by birdman on Dec 12, 2007 1:42 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

RE:
Luke had an OPS+ of 119 last year; 165 the year before (in 215AB's).  Seems like he's better than a spare part to me; although he is 29.  

I think if we got Scott and Patton; it would be an even trade.  The other 3 guys does make this a very good trade for the O's.  

It's not like we are giving the Astros Hanley Ramirez here.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 12, 2007 1:24 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

prospects
"It's not like we are giving the Astros Hanley Ramirez here."

And I'm not asking for Hanley Ramirez.  Costanzo looks like another Scott Moore.  Like I said before, besides Patton you can keep the rest of the guys, give me another good B+ prospect.  By the time the O's are any good, if ever, Scott will already be old!  Let me repeat, by the time the O's are any good, Scott will be well past the wrong side of 30.  I'll admit I was initially too harsh but he's entirely too old for what the O's should trying to be doing.  And the rest of the guys will probably not be on the roster in 2-3 seasons.  I'm not saying this a horrible trade, but it's hardly any good.  

by birdman on Dec 12, 2007 1:48 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

yeah, but
if Scott hits well at OPACY, we can flip him at the deadline for some more kids.

It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB

by zknower on Dec 12, 2007 1:57 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

that's true
Hope he hits well!  If the O's were near contention now, I would be thrilled with Scott.  But right now, keeping him doesn't make much sense.  We need to get young players with lots of upside and Scott doesn't fit that bill.    

by birdman on Dec 12, 2007 2:02 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

RE:
Yeah, 29 isn't a kid anymore; but he has trade value and I really wouldn't consider him aging for another 3 years or so.  

We're giving up a guy who posted a 799 OPS+ last year and his hardly a GG SS.  As it stands right now, add Patton and Scott to this team and they are probably an improved team.  

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 12, 2007 2:02 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

If
the O's flip Scott for a better piece, then I'll feel differently about this trade.  And honestly, I'm not really interested in improving the team now since the team is rebuilding.  It's how this team will look in a few years that I'm interested in.  Patton could be a valuable piece in a few years.  The rest of the package looks like garbage except for Scott if he's flipped for better pieces.      

by birdman on Dec 12, 2007 2:17 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

This is as good as we were going to get.
These guys are not garbage. Scott immediately becomes our #2 OF and starting LF. Hell, he MIGHT be our cleanup hitter when all is said and done, and I'll take it. Cheap and under our control. Not as young as I might like (29) but the prospects look like a grab bag of decent risks. Trading for prospects is always a risk.

I love you, Andy MacPhail.

On a side note...what to do with my $250 Tejada jersey of a mere 3 Christmases ago?

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 12, 2007 1:04 PM EST   0 recs

Get it relettered
A sporting goods store that supplies jerseys for youth leagues and stuff should be able to do it.
oriolesupdate.blogspot.com

by BrianS on Dec 12, 2007 1:07 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Hrm. I shall have to give...
...that a shot. Thanks for the headsup.

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 12, 2007 1:10 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Keep it, KDFC! My Ponson jersey is now worth
...um, maybe one mocha grande at the new Moscow Starbuck's. If I combine it with about $5 bucks in rubles, that is. Say, I'm not making that strong a case for nostalgia jerseys, am I...
I was going to contribute to the Alberto Gonzales Defense Fund, but I forgot.

by Titov on Dec 12, 2007 3:37 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

good as it gets
"Trading for prospects is always a risk."

But none of these guys are prospects except for Patton.  

by birdman on Dec 12, 2007 1:12 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

sorry, Costanza is still a prospect as well.
A marginal one, like I said above, our new Jose Leon.  

by birdman on Dec 12, 2007 1:12 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

One down...
seven to go...
"Hating the Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers, and cheating on your income taxes." -Mike Royko

by BPinOK on Dec 12, 2007 1:12 PM EST   0 recs

They should have traded him a long time ago...
when they could have gotten something better in return...this deal is pretty much garbage

by GeronimoGil on Dec 12, 2007 1:16 PM EST   0 recs

13 million reason to like this
Are the Orioles a worse team with these players and no Tejada?  Hard to say.  They may only win 65 games instead of 69 -- in other words, they may marginally blow more, but at this point who cares?  For me, this deal means there's $13 million more for Bedard.  And for that reason alone, I think it's a good deal.

by dj on Dec 12, 2007 1:24 PM EST   0 recs

for bedard?
I took this as Tejada was the first to fall...Bedard doesn't want to stay...don't make him.  If you can get 5 guys (of varying and arguable talent) you could land a Kemp/Kershaw or Loney/Kershaw plus some other prospects for Bedard.  Ship him out west.  Hell, move Roberts while you are at it.
"Hating the Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers, and cheating on your income taxes." -Mike Royko

by BPinOK on Dec 12, 2007 1:28 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

And the O's become a lot more fun to watch
Tejada can go be cranky in the Republic of Tejas.
"If you're not practicing, somebody else is, somewhere, and he'll be ready to take your job." -Brooks Robinson

by exitfare on Dec 12, 2007 1:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Salary
Has anyone heard about Miggy's salary?  Are the O's picking any of it up?  If not; this is a great steal for the O's in my opinion.  
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 12, 2007 1:29 PM EST   0 recs

you are correct
if the O's aren't eating any salary, it's not only a good deal, but a major coup for MacPhail.  

it's indicitive of Tejada's decline that the O's weren't able to acquire one A+ level talent for him, but they did acquire 5 B-level talents, including three guys that should be on the opening daty roster (Scott, Albers, Sarfate).

now move Bedard to the Dodgers!

FUCK MASCOT MILLAR and HORSESHIT HUFF

by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Dec 12, 2007 1:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

RE:
I don't know; this to me seems to be quite a haul for the Orioles DESPITE Tejada's decline.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 12, 2007 1:41 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Houston....
what a bunch of suckers!
"Beauty is in the eye of the bill-folder." - Buck O'Neill

by Born Under a Bad Moon on Dec 12, 2007 1:33 PM EST   0 recs

Congrats, MacPhail
You crashed SOSH, apparently.
"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer

by 2632 on Dec 12, 2007 1:33 PM EST   0 recs

They're not happy...
...over at Crawfish Boxes, the SN Astros hangout.

A sampling:

That is quite the haul for the O's. I will have to think about this.

My initial reaction is that Scott will outhit Tejada next year.

Ok, so after a minute of thought I hate it. The Astros trade 5 assets(some small though) for one asset. Miggy is a bargain in his current deal for the next 2 years. Patton is under control for 6 years. Costanzo 6 years. Albers 5 years. Scott 4 years. Sarfate 6 years. That is 27 years of controlled salary for 2. Even if the O's get half of those years at even league average production they win huge.


It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB

by zknower on Dec 12, 2007 1:35 PM EST   0 recs

I agree
it's a crapshoot, but it could work out big for us.
"If you're not practicing, somebody else is, somewhere, and he'll be ready to take your job." -Brooks Robinson

by exitfare on Dec 12, 2007 1:39 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

SIGN ON WAREHOUSE DOOR:
OPEN FOR BUSINESS

It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB

by zknower on Dec 12, 2007 1:38 PM EST   0 recs

Sounds good
I'll trust MacPhail here that this is the best that he could get. It would have been nice to see another top prospect besides Patton, but I have to think that no one was going to give us two top prospects for Miggi. I'm not terribly excited about any one of these players, but I'll take this much young talent entering our barren system. Plus, as dj says, there's more cash freed up for Bedard or maybe a free agent next off-season after we see how the new talent looks.

Other reactions:

MLB Trade Rumors thinks the O's got away with one:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/12/astros-acquire.html

One commenter writes (and I haven't checked his numbers):

"That is 27 years of controlled salary for 2. Even if the O's get half of those years at even league average production they win huge. I don't like it."

MLB Fleece Factor is hedging its bets:

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/

by silverstadium on Dec 12, 2007 1:39 PM EST   0 recs

it sounds like
the same commenter that zknower linked above
"If you're not practicing, somebody else is, somewhere, and he'll be ready to take your job." -Brooks Robinson

by exitfare on Dec 12, 2007 2:29 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Also, hey guys! Good to be back.
How's everybody been?
"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer

by 2632 on Dec 12, 2007 1:40 PM EST   0 recs

Fine 2632
  You picked a good day to return.
"Beauty is in the eye of the bill-folder." - Buck O'Neill

by Born Under a Bad Moon on Dec 12, 2007 1:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Welcome back.
Missed you. And JW's smililng mug.

A few days ago I suggested that Brian Roberts will be named in the Mitchell report tomorrow. Please don't kill me.


It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB

by zknower on Dec 12, 2007 1:44 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well, if he is...
You can head up the 2632 Suicide Watch.

I miss y'all too.

"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer

by 2632 on Dec 12, 2007 1:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Where you been, chica?
I caught Brian on Anita Marks last night. He  gave a little goodbye speech to the fans in case he gets traded. It pretty much had me in tears. But that could have been because it was 3 a.m. on a Tuesday night/Wednesday morning.

by Stacey on Dec 12, 2007 1:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

meep
Good thing I didn't listen at work, then.

I've been crazy busy. Politics and shit.

"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer

by 2632 on Dec 12, 2007 1:51 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

'zappenin, 26? Say "politics and sh*t"?
Me too. Only where I live, politics is sh*t.

Now that the pretend results from last week's pretend elections to the nation's pretend parliament have been certified, the next order of political business will be the pretend presidential election in March. Meanwhile, fewer and fewer Muscovites pretend to believe in the democratic process. Go figure.

But back in slightly realer land, it's adios to el Migmeister. We'll drink to that!

I was going to contribute to the Alberto Gonzales Defense Fund, but I forgot.

by Titov on Dec 12, 2007 3:48 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I'm working on winning some fake primaries
"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer

by 2632 on Dec 12, 2007 4:35 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

working for whom?
just curious.

It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB

by zknower on Dec 12, 2007 6:10 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Good question. I'd vote for
2632 in a flash, but maybe not her candidate.

Actually, maybe I'll flash her candidate and write in 2632 regardless.

I was going to contribute to the Alberto Gonzales Defense Fund, but I forgot.

by Titov on Dec 12, 2007 11:36 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Finally...
I was so pissed off and depressed with this team that the last thing I wanted to do was think, read or write anything Oriole related; but with this trade I think I maybe rejuvenated enough to start fooling myself again.

Does anyone know if the Astros need a third baseman???

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 12, 2007 1:50 PM EST   0 recs

Ty
Wiggington went there last year didn't he?
"Hating the Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers, and cheating on your income taxes." -Mike Royko

by BPinOK on Dec 12, 2007 2:08 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

yup.%%
So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Dec 12, 2007 2:18 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Nice
None of these guys is a sure thing, but the there are three main reasons I like this deal:
  1.  The Mitchell Report
  2.  We don't have Tejada's salary on our books anymore.
  3.  We need to be trying out a lot of things in order to change this system around and this deal gives us options.
Friend of the Working Man

by Jonnypops on Dec 12, 2007 1:52 PM EST   0 recs

I'll be honest, I was expecting more outrage
When I came here a month ago asking about Tejada I was told time and again that he was worth a couple top prospects as a starting point.

This deal isn't that, although Patton is a nice catch especially if he can rediscover his strike out touch. I don't know, maybe Scott will blossom now that he has a chance to play every day.

The rest?

Meh.

by grover on Dec 12, 2007 2:02 PM EST   0 recs

holy ****
The O's have been trying to unload him for years and Andy MacPhail gets it done in a month. I like what I see.

Fantastic return for Tejada, considering hes nothing more than an average 3B.

by UMterp08 on Dec 12, 2007 2:02 PM EST   0 recs

Once a loser...
Seems like he'd have been better off staying in Oakland. Call me crazy, but I just don't think that Tejada and Kaz Matsui are going to be enough for the 'Stros to take over the Cubs, Brewers and Cardinals.  Even if they don't finish fourth, they are not a serious playoff contender.  So instead of Tejada going to the Angels, where he's sure to win a division, or to the Dodgers with Bedard, where he's sure to contend in the West, he gets to be a loser on a team with bad colors and a stupid name.  HA!

by brooklynlovesorioles on Dec 12, 2007 2:11 PM EST   0 recs

package
the o's got a pretty good package here.  i cant figure out why houston gave up so much, especially w/ mitchell's rpt due.

looks like the cubs are hot on roberts now (below).  if we're gonna trade him, rich hill should be involved.

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/12/12/rosenthal-rumors/

by em3 on Dec 12, 2007 2:16 PM EST   0 recs

RE:
The Cubs are still pursuing O's second baseman Brian Roberts.  But Baltimore owner Peter Angelos' love for Roberts may veto any trade - unless Chicago excepts getting fleeced. (Rich Hill? Sean Gallagher?)  

Why can't our owner just get a fucking girlfriend and stop falling in love with players???  If the Cubs give us a deal that is good for the club than friggin take it.  Nobody should be untradable.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 12, 2007 2:27 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

never trust a person
who doesn't know the difference between "accepts" and "excepts."

by Stacey on Dec 12, 2007 3:12 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Lose-Lose
This seems like a bad deal for both teams, as Tejada is likely a downgrade from a healthy Adam Everett, who is out-of-this-world defensively.  In 2007 Tejada was a 4.8 WARP-3 player in a full season.  Everett was a 1.6 WARP-3 player in just 200 PAs, which translates to ~4.x WARP-3 with Tejada's ABs.  In 2006, when he played a full season, Everett was a 5.7 WARP-3 player.  The Astros gave up 5 players and acquired a huge contract to make themselves worse at one position.

On the flip side, this is bad for the O's because of its timing.  Angelos could've gotten Roy Oswalt, Erick Aybar+Ervin Santana, etc. etc. if he dealt Miggy one or two years ago.  In that way, the team pissed away his value.  This is like the Mets' side of the Lastings Milledge deal.  Hold on to a player, accomplish nothing while he's there, then trade him anyway for much less.

[carries Carlos Pena's tub of Kool Aid]

by Wade Boggs Hair on Dec 12, 2007 2:26 PM EST   0 recs

Lose-Lose
"Tejada is likely a downgrade from a healthy Adam Everett,"

You HAVE to imagine that Tejada will move to 3rd.  If the Stros move Everett off of SS for Tejada, they're crazy.  

"Angelos could've gotten Roy Oswalt, Erick Aybar+Ervin Santana, etc. etc. if he dealt Miggy one or two years ago."

Oswalt would be gone now (unless he signed an extension with us, highly unlikely) and Aybar/Santana is hardly special.  Patton is just as good of a prospect as Aybar and Santana was pretty weak last season.    

by birdman on Dec 12, 2007 2:31 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Question...
kind of...anyway...Tejada's production as a 3B is average.  His production as a SS is top 3(?) in the league.  His defense and range are declining but Adam Everett couldn't fall out of a boat and hit water.  Tejada moves to the NL where the lineups have a lot less pop and he should be able to play adaquate D.  I think the trade off between Everett's D and Tejada's O is enough to sit Everett.  Plus, they have TyWig for 3rd.  
"Hating the Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers, and cheating on your income taxes." -Mike Royko

by BPinOK on Dec 12, 2007 2:34 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

tejada's o production...
maybe top 3 in the division, but not the league.  it's not terrible, mind you, but i think he was like 10 in the majors in VORP for shortstops?
So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Dec 12, 2007 2:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Tejada as a SS
was -14 RAA (runs above average) at SS in '07.  In his last full season (2006), Adam Everett was 25 runs ABOVE average.  You're looking at approximately a 39 run swing on defense alone, which more than makes up for Tejada's offense (as accounted for in the WARP numbers).

It's moot, anyway.  Luke Scott is a good player and a good defender in LF.  Camden Yards should help his power #s, and he's still in his 20s.  Patton is pretty good.  This is probably the best return the O's can get given that they waited so long to deal him.

[carries Carlos Pena's tub of Kool Aid]

by Wade Boggs Hair on Dec 12, 2007 2:41 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

power #s
"Camden Yards should help his power #s"

Over Minute Maid Park? Doubtful...

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by CStoneNo37 on Dec 12, 2007 2:55 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I guess...
my first point only holds if Miguel plays SS, but I don't think it would change too much if you compare him with whomever HOU would have at third (Wigginton)?  Houston should've just kept Morgan Ensberg.
[carries Carlos Pena's tub of Kool Aid]

by Wade Boggs Hair on Dec 12, 2007 2:31 PM EST