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The one in which I compare thoughts with Roch

Roch posted a projected O's lineup, too, over at his Sun blog. Let's see what Roch is thinking.

I took the advice of one reader and Googled the words "Marisa Miller" and "iPod." My vision's still blurred, but I'll try to write this entry.

When is the last time Roch got laid? For the record, it's a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model, in the nyood, with her arm covering her upstairs naughty bits and an iPod giving shield to her bojingo. My mind, of course, will wander to the email conversation. "Dude, Roch, you gotta check this out! Fuckin' Google it, dog!" And the rest is wetnap history at a Baltimore Sun desk.

He also has the same starters that I figure on, so we'll skip his lineup. It's probably what I'd guess, too.

I noted that Payton could platoon in left if he's not traded. Tike Redman could play center. Freddie Bynum could play center. Paul Blair could come out of retirement. But for now, I've got Payton in center while waiting for the Orioles to make another move.

Was Corey Patterson so bad?

Well, yeah, that's the thing. Corey Patterson was so bad. Jay Payton wouldn't be here, either, if they hadn't given him a second year on his deal. Tike Redman and Freddie Bynum are both a lot less expensive than Patterson, who isn't going to be a key member of anybody's next good team, let alone this franchise's.

The first four spots in the rotation were easy: Erik Bedard, Jeremy Guthrie, Adam Loewen and Daniel Cabrera. The winner of the fifth slot would be determined in a steel-cage match involving Garrett Olson, Brian Burres, Troy Patton, Matt Albers and Hayden Penn. Radhames Liz can hand out towels at the end before reporting to Norfolk.

Matt Clement might not be such a gamble afterall.

How does Matt Clement figure in to any team that's rebuilding? Don't these assholes get excited about rebuilding? Then, it turns out the team sucks (no shit), and they want to sign Matt Clement, who is 33 years old and hasn't pitched in a year and a half, and hasn't been effective since 2004, and even that season he faded, badly, down the stretch, helping to brutalize the Cubs' playoff hopes. Matt Clement stinks and it's game over for him.

Meanwhile, Olson and Patton are both legitimate prospects who would hardly be hurt by a year on a major league staff, it's been said repeatedly that Burres will be in the bullpen, and even Albers and the much-maligned Hayden Penn are better "gambles" than a washed-up injury case.

He is right about the bullpen, I'll give him that.

Look, the team is going to suck, bad, and we kind of have to bite down and accept it. That was my point earlier. We are going to be horrible. This is a season where I say forget optimism. Do not even bother. It's going to be butt fugly out there. Grin and bear it. It's hopefully for the best.

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hahahahahaha
thanks you for putting it to roch who, per usual, so richly deserves it.

why is it so hard for people to understand the "player over 30, now matter how cheap, does not figure into rebuilding, no, not even as a one-year-stopgap" rule?

and that picture? i think she's going to get sand in her iPod and gum up its works if she's not careful. plus, those naughty bits are fake.


It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB

by zknower on Dec 30, 2007 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

May I just say...
...that Dr. Orpheus and I love the word 'bojingo.'
--- Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.

by EmbassyRow on Jan 1, 2008 2:26 AM EST reply actions  

Wait, hold on the Clement hate
"How does Matt Clement figure in to any team that's rebuilding? Don't these assholes get excited about rebuilding? "

Chill....here's a couple reasons you actually do want a Matt Clement, or someone like him, around in a rebuilding situation.

  • Teams with a lot of rookies need at least a few solid veterans around who (a) have a great work ethic (b) don't complain (c) provide good, stabilizing clubhouse presence.  By all reports the Sox players like and respect him as a teammate - a lot.  He also has a reputation as a real strong family guy, the kind unlikely to cause barfight headlines.  O's have some good young pitching and can benefit from solid veteran leadership.   If all you have are kids, you have a clubhouse that acts a lot like a freshman jock dorm.  After Roberts , please name the veterans,  you think can/will provide this kind of presence.   Maybe Jamie Walker?  And he's not a starter.  MacPhail needs to clean house not only of the guys who are over the hill but also the selfish clubhouse cancers.  There's a few there.
  • Some of the kids need a little more time in AAA from a confidence standpoint, or to limit innings.  A vet buys you some time on that.  
  • The guy might not actually be toast.  And he should have some reasonable upside, probably at a 1-year reasonable price.  He pitched about a year on a shoulder that was basically shrapnel inside.  I'll leave it to a radiologist to try & explain why Andrews found major damage inside that didn't show up on his MRI, but that's what happened after he (wasted) 2-3 months trying to just rest it in '06.  
He worked his ass off all season -- traveling with the team much of it -- to rehab.  He got ready about the time the minors ended, and could have pitched if they'd closed it early, which thanks to Gagne they didn't.

Doesn't mean MacPhail will think he's got the upside to work out, but for a veteran signing with upside the O's could do a whole lot worse.  And in the last 10+ years they have.

by Jim in New England on Jan 1, 2008 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

Matt Clement doesn't figure into rebuilding plans
...because all he'd do if the Os signed him is take innings that one of the kids (Patton, Olson, Liz, Penn, Albers) should have. Matt Clement would have zero chance to be around when the Os have the opportunity to be good again. Ergo he does not fit rebuilding plans.

And, frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what the Sox players think of him, or what kind of clubhouse presence is, or what other ill-defined, non-quantifiable "intangibles" you think he'd bring. He's 33 with a horrible injury history, and one exceptional year that still doesn't bring his career ERA+ (96) to average. Keep Matt Clement off my team.

by KenDixonFanClub on Jan 1, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You're totally missing the point...
or you didn't read the post....or you're under 23 and think living with your buds and partying all the time won't put your future success at risk.

If you don't put some solid veteran presence on this team then there's a good risk that the good talent won't develop like it should.  And you'll be rebuilding forever like Kansas City.  Doesn't matter if it's Clement or someone else, but the O's need some experienced 'character guys' in the clubhouse, both pitchers and position players.

by Jim in New England on Jan 1, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I read your BS post Jimmy Boy...
...and your ad hominem attack on me doesn't support your flaccid, unquantifiable argument about Clement. Ad hominem attacks never do, not that I expect a member of Pink Hat Nation to understand that. Who let Jimmy Fallon start posting here?  

Matt Clement was a good pitcher for one year; prior to that year and since that year he has been mediocre.

The Os need to see what all this young pitching can do on the f'ing field and signing Clement does NOT HELP THEM DO THAT because it relegates another prospect to Norfolk or Bowie. Matt Clement will not be around when the Os are good again so he should not be on the damn team in 2008. Go out and get veterans when they fill an actual need on the field and can contribute in a way that will help the team win games. Matt Clement won't do that.  I don't care what kind of choir boy he is at home and I don't care if Garret Olson worships a golden calf in his basement and is part of a local swingers club IF he can pitch effectively at the ML level. The chances of Matt Clement ever doing that again are very slim.

by KenDixonFanClub on Jan 1, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he has a point
Maybe makes it a bit too strongly.  Kris Benson as a pitcher didn't do dick to help (or harm) this team, ultimately, but allegedly he taught Bedard the monster changeup that has made him a top-tier pitcher.  That's huge.  Maybe Clement could teach a useful skill to another youngster even if he's just a warm body in terms of his actual roster spot.

by punkrawka on Jan 1, 2008 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Clement
"Kris Benson as a pitcher didn't do dick to help (or harm) this team, ultimately, but allegedly he taught Bedard the monster changeup that has made him a top-tier pitcher."  

I'm willing to take a gamble of missing any potential wisdom Clement could bestow on our young pitchers.  

btw, Bedard barely used his changeup this past season.  His command of his curveball was good, he was basically a fastball/curveball pitcher in 2007.  

by birdman on Jan 1, 2008 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

wtf
"or you're under 23 and think living with your buds and partying all the time won't put your future success at risk."

What's the point of this garbage?

by birdman on Jan 1, 2008 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh
That's pretty much how I was when I was under 23....
"Baltimore? That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day."

by spike2131 on Jan 2, 2008 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

And as far as....
As far as the importance of veterans in the club house, thats pretty much the reason we are keeping Millar around, no?
"Baltimore? That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day."

by spike2131 on Jan 2, 2008 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Clement
"Teams with a lot of rookies need at least a few solid veterans around who (a) have a great work ethic (b) don't complain (c) provide good, stabilizing clubhouse presence.  By all reports the Sox players like and respect him as a teammate - a lot.  He also has a reputation as a real strong family guy, the kind unlikely to cause barfight headlines."  

I think this stuff is kind of overrated, but the O's already have Millar for this vet leadership stuff.  And they can always try to convince Niner to delay retirement if they want more of this stuff.   If they want a pitcher for vet leadership, then see below.

"Some of the kids need a little more time in AAA from a confidence standpoint, or to limit innings.  A vet buys you some time on that."

Fine, but in why world would you want Clement for this role.  He's constantly injured.  He may be healthy now but give his history, that probably won't last long.  Honestly, if the O's wanted to resign Traschel to fill this vet leadership/buy time for kids need, I'm fine with it.  At least Traschel will stay healthy.    

"The guy might not actually be toast.  And he should have some reasonable upside, probably at a 1-year reasonable price.  He pitched about a year on a shoulder that was basically shrapnel inside.  I'll leave it to a radiologist to try & explain why Andrews found major damage inside that didn't show up on his MRI, but that's what happened after he (wasted) 2-3 months trying to just rest it in '06."

Or he may be toast.  Who knows with this guy.  If the O's want to sign him to a minor league deal to build up a storage of arms in case of a rash of injuries, fine.  Otherwise, it makes no sense to sign him.    

by birdman on Jan 1, 2008 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be down with Traschel
He did good by us last year. And if he does the same for us this year, maybe we can flip him at the trade deadline again.
"Baltimore? That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day."

by spike2131 on Jan 2, 2008 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

re:
I don't hate Clement, or even dislike him. I'm sure he'd work hard and give it his all. But I don't think he fits our team at all.

Thanks for the time that you've given me...

by Scott Christ on Jan 2, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

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S.C.-I,d rather take a 1 yr deal with Trachsel
because we know what he can do.He,s not the
future of course.But if we decide we must have
another starter,the devil you know is sometimes
better then the devil you dont know.

by hagersbush on Jan 4, 2008 8:29 AM EST reply actions  

yeah
I'm fairly sure Trachsel won't pull up lame within two weeks and sit on the roster's DL for the entire year, too. It's not that I don't think there's a better chance of Clement being good, but the object is really just to find a reliable warm body if this is the path they choose.

I'd also rather they just throw the young guys out there.

Thanks for the time that you've given me...

by Scott Christ on Jan 5, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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