Gameday Thread: Tigers at O's, 04/09

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 6:28 AM EDT in Gamethreads Comment 189 comments

Game Time: 3:05 | TV: MASN, FSN (DET) | Radio: WHFS

Chad Durbin, RH Daniel Cabrera, RH (0-0, -.--) (0-1, 3.86) CF C Granderson 2B B Roberts 2B P Polanco 3B M Mora DH G Sheffield RF N Markakis RF M Ordonez SS M Tejada SS C Guillen 1B A Huff C I Rodriguez LF J Gibbons 1B S Casey DH K Millar LF C Monroe CF C Patterson 3B B Inge C P Bako

Bless You Boys, SBN's Tigers blog -- it's grrreat!

This is the latest that a season at Camden Yards has opened in 12 years. Cal throws out today's opening pitch.

The Tigers won 3-2 yesterday on Pudge Rodriguez's ninth-inning, three-run home run in Kansas City off of David Riske, and they're 3-2 in the first five games of defending their American League crown. They're still a really good team, though having Chad Durbin in the place of Kenny Rogers to start the season is a little bit of a blow. Durbin hasn't made a start since 2004, and is one of those countless Royals flameouts from the late 1990s/early 2000s. Drafted in the third round out of high school in 1996, Durbin only had about a season and a half of real starting time for Kansas City, giving them 16 brutal games in 2000 and 29 pretty poor games in 2001. He has since pitched in Cleveland and Arizona, and was out of the majors in 2005. He made three relief appearances for Detroit last year.

Cabrera was pretty decent in his first start this year, going seven against the Twins and allowing three earned in a 3-2 loss. He struck out nine, but he still walked four. It's a mild improvement, but you still can't walk four guys a game and get away with it all that often. We'll probably see Alberto Castillo today, too, which means no Paul "Superman" Bako.

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D-Cab

I pitty the Tigers for having to face Cabrera today!

Oriole Magic! Feel it Happen!

by Mike Boehm on Apr 9, 2007 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

boy were YOU right

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

seriously, though?

what in the hell do they do to young pitching prospects in kc? it makes b'more's bad run look like child's play!

...though, i'll bet greinke is comeback player of the year this year at the ripe old age of 24.

by jq higgins on Apr 9, 2007 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

you know what's sad?

The home opener isn't even sold out for the AL champion Tigers. The home opener isn't sold out at all. They're still sending out emails basically begging people to come to the park.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nah...

if they were really begging, they'd say upper reserve $0, as opposed to upper reserve only $8.

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It wasn't totally full last year either

It was just the Devil Rays, but still! It was Opening Day! I think one of their problems is they hold back OD tickets (I guess because people with game plans get first cracks), then try to sell MORE tickets for the whole year by only allowing you to buy OD tickets if you get the six pack or whatever. They should just let you by OD tickets the way you buy other tickets and I think it'd sell out pretty quick. But people don't want to go through all the hassle.

That being said, I just went to the Orioles website and they aren't offering Opening Day as one of the choices for the six pack anymore, and if you try to buy two tickets you can only get Standing Room. You can get a pretty sweet seat if you're going alone though.

by Stacey on Apr 9, 2007 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is sad...

...but it's not too surprising due to:

The state of the franchise.
It's a Monday afternoon game.
It's cold out and a lot of people don't like early season games. For example, even Yankee stadium wasn't filled up at either of the games this weekend.
The Tigers are not much of a draw in the Baltimore area, penant or not.
The season has already started, so even though it's the home opener, a lot of the excitement is taken away since we're already 6 games into the season.

by Jonnypops on Apr 9, 2007 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know......

about any one else but for me to be able to take off from work, buy a ticket (in a decent seat otherwise why go?), buy two beers and a Boogs and still pay my mortgage it would take some major sacrfice.

My wife and i love to go to games but damn it is next to impossible with the prices.

by BENNYBIRDMAN on Apr 9, 2007 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the cold

Yeah, and it's way too cold for baseball. I could totally have gone, but what's the point. I'll wait until May and June when its warmer.

by pipkin on Apr 9, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jose Mesa returns!

The ageless wonder returns to Baltimore. And they still won't fill Camden Yards for him?
How soon they forget...

by tbone shelby on Apr 9, 2007 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He's still around?

Is he trying to be the first active pitcher who can collect Social Security with his salary? How old is this guy? 45?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stupid cold weather...

I'm trying to get all pumped up about heading down to OPACY in about 10 minutes, but this wind is deflating my spirits. Perhaps some spirits will raise my spirits....

Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out.

by johnnynebraska on Apr 9, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Do the right thing...

...got to Nick's in the Cross Street Market, hook up some steamed shrimp, some beers, and a couple shots of your liquor of choice and you'll be good to go.

by Jonnypops on Apr 9, 2007 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

THAT sounds like a plan...

better than mine - entering grades for school while I watch on a 13" TV in my room as my kids try and kill each other in the living room. The wonders of 10 and (almost) 7 year olds...

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is it just me...

or does the audio from the studio sound like it's being mixed by someone's 15 year old cousin? It's sounds public access show bad. I didn't think it was possible to make Tom Davis sound worse, but apparently, it is.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ready

Got my MLB.TV subscription...gonna sit here in the office and clickety-click on the keyboard every so often, so as to appear busy.

by the doppleganger on Apr 9, 2007 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

GameDay

Click Here

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So far...

HFS is working again... but IT IS only the starting lineups right now.

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

listening

to HFS right now

by exitfare on Apr 9, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

For those of us able to watch MASN

I can think of worse crews than Gary Thorne and Jim Palmer.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

me too

i hope that it last i really don't want to be stuck here at work without being able to listen.

by BENNYBIRDMAN on Apr 9, 2007 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Still Working

So far, so good.

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone else just lose the HFS feed?

or is it just me?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah man

i lost it too

by exitfare on Apr 9, 2007 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i lost it too

noooooooooooooooooooo!!

by BENNYBIRDMAN on Apr 9, 2007 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've got the Tigers TV broadcast

Let me tell you something -- these guys are a lot more cocky than they were early last season. Go figure. "I don't know if you can have a big win in April..." Last year they were shitting their pants over every single one.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

well

Let's see them LOSE the DVISION by a game again. Or, miss the playoffs by a game. Then they can wonder about those April wins and losses.

by drj on Apr 9, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gameday

is about a minute or so ahead of HFS online... and there it goes. Damn!!! Damn, damn, damn!!!

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No personal catcher for D-Cabs

Because, according to Gary:

They want Bako's bat in the lineup. Ponder THAT sentence for a moment.
Don't want to get set in matchups with P & C with people coming off the DL.

Also - D-Cabs has got some scary stuff today. That 3rd pitch to Gary Sheff was NASTY. He's getting squeezed on the strike zone, though.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

suck it Sheffield

1-2-3, even though he kind of went to the extreme of not walking people to do it.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Damn!

That was nasty. And the way D-Cabs strutted off the mound was priceless. Just a total "hit THAT, mutha...." look on his face.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wow, but...

w/o giving up a hit or a walk it took him 21 pitches to get out of the inning? dayum, maign!

by jq higgins on Apr 9, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"Former Tiger Paul Bako"

And that's why they're the AL champions and we're the Baltimore Orioles.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ugh

Roberts has looked horrible.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pardon me for a moment, but...

Get those G-ddamn f-cking piece of shit Comcast commercials off my f-cking television. That company can't go bankrupt fast enough, lying sacks of shit!

That is all. Please go back to your normal O's television broadcast. I just needed to say that.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Remember

breathe......in with the good....breathe.....out with the bad

by BENNYBIRDMAN on Apr 9, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

push out the jive...

bring in the love.

by jq higgins on Apr 9, 2007 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry...

long story. Involving 10 years, a cable that ends at my mailbox and a certain nonresponsive cable company. Thus I have DirecTv.

Go O's.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, Scorey, no!

What is it with D-Cabs' starts?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

aw come on Corey

I can't blame him, I just wish he'd caught it. That ball was smoked.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Unlike D-Cabs last start, I guess..

'cause D-Cabs shoulda fielded that one, and then he's got a shot at a W instead of a L.

I suppose Corey can be excused, but doesn't that seem like the kind of ball taht other teams catch against the O's?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

following on gamecast...

how does cabrera look?

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Not bad...

a little wild, but not like the Bad Danny we've seen before.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

man

Tejada looked stupid.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

About time

Tejada hit a ball. His only hit last series was that week ass fister behind 1B.

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wtf Huff

Complete indifference. "Oh, strike three? Hm. OK."

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Just great...

yet ANOTHER call-up we're making look like Cy Young. Haven't we seen this movie too many times in the past 3 years?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

no doubt...

i mean, he's no ramon ortiz, but still...

by jq higgins on Apr 9, 2007 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

uh

Please to be telling me the score and inning?

by BENNYBIRDMAN on Apr 9, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

1-0 Tigers, top 3 with 2 out

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

woof

Danny's breaking ball to K Inge was filthy.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

good lord

Sit down, Granderson.

Danny's starting to FEEL IT.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

97 MPH

TO K-ANE INGE!

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

good inning

Polanco hit a nice single but other than that Cabrera was nasty.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

# of Pitches are down..

for him... 17 an inning.

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yep

51 through 3 isn't terrible.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you know, for Cabrera

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

RE:

And no walks is unprecedented.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 9, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

his pitch

cout is always going to be high being a k pitcher.

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bako is a Royal....

...in his ESPN gamecast pic.

by zknower on Apr 9, 2007 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah

New roster DONG

DONG

MILLAR

F YOU EVERYONE H8N ON MILLAR

Anyway new roster photos have been slow this year.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Um,

wouldn't that have been you h8n on millar?

by zknower on Apr 9, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey... down in front...

don't you call out the mediator. You'll find yourself in front of the subcommittee.

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

when did I hate on Millar?

I was in Millar's camp most of last year, wanted him back this year, and have been arguing with duck for days that Millar is our best option in the role he's filling. Me and Kevbo are tight, Z.

COREY, SWIPE

Whoosh. Now we're cooking with oil.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

my bad

i just went to the videotape, and you speak the truth.

who was i arguing about kevin with all last fall?

by zknower on Apr 9, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll man up...

yeah, I called for him to be cut. Maybe I was wrong, but I still think he will be more of a liability this year than an asset. That said, I ain't giving back that HR.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cowboy Up!

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 9, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah...

BITCHEEEEESSSS!

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who has MLBTV or MLB Radio?

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I do

but miserably, it won't run on Safari, and my Firefox at work doesn't have WMP plugin installed, and I don't have an admin p/w to install it. Grrrr.

by zknower on Apr 9, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

when you get a chance

I need to you right click on the progress bar and paste the url for me. I want to try something... if you don't mind of course?

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry, i was gone for a while

let me see if i can do this...

by zknower on Apr 9, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

can't do it today....

...because i can't get a progress bar to click on. same issue as above...not having WMP plugin. :(

on another day when i'm watching from home, i'll get you the URL and we can try your experiment.

remind me.....

by zknower on Apr 9, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll be sure

If what I'm trying works, I'll pay you half of your subscription fee... how much is that by the way?

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

$15/month or $75 for the year, i think

i go month-to-month in case the team bombs and is out of it by july.

but this year i have a feeling i'll keep it through the fall!

by zknower on Apr 10, 2007 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

KEEEEVVVVVBOOOOOOOO!

by zknower on Apr 9, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WTF?

You GOTTA be kidding me - Millar goes deep? Damn. Maybe we ARE going to turn this around...

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

he went deep yesterday too

You have got to stop hating on Millar.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK, for now.

But I'll be back ta hatin' when he's killing this team. Which will happen.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

jesus christ with the bunting

Nice that it worked but for the love of pete. Really great placement.

DONG MILLAR. Kevbo rules. Who dat. Paul Bako. He's gonna go yard.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

patterson

pretty much has the green light on bunting.

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Corey

Has the right (and speed) to do pretty much whatever he wants.

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

this site...

and afternoon ballgames make it hard to get anything done at work.

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

sort of crazy...

but i like!

by jq higgins on Apr 9, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Damn wind gusts

are playing havoc with my DirecTv.

And no, I can't get cable, so that's why I'm stuck with it. :(

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

the homer

from millar and the bunt single from patterson...each raised their respective averages 46 points.

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

SWEET!

Earl Weaver wouldn't approve, but I like having an actual base stealer on the roster.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Speed kills.

Wow, I could totally have a man-crush on Scorey....

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

YEAH BABY

BLOOP SINGLE WHO RULES

IT'S BRIAN ROBERTS

IT'S COREY PATTERSON RUNNING LIKE A MADMAN

O'S LEAD

COREY CORY CORRIE

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Boss Button

Gameday, hell CC, needs a boss button like CBS's March Madness on Demand has... where when you click it, it covers up the screen with a picture of a filled out spreadsheet... then you just click again and you're back.

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I bet we could make something like that

and ask SC to add it to a sidebar

by zknower on Apr 9, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

MMOD

Here's the picture they use

I think.

by dayzd toe on Apr 10, 2007 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is it me..

...or have the O's seemed to have gotten a lot of those cheap hits? Maybe the gods have started to smile on the Birds.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 9, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

attaboy, wee man...`

little brian roberts, way to be!

by jq higgins on Apr 9, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

MEL VIN MORE UH

3-1 O's

WHAP

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Did he just crack his bat...

on that stroke to CF? I swear, it sounds like he broke his bat hitting that ball almost 400 feet!

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

DAMIN IT!!!

THIS IS KILLING ME! Thats it i'm leaving work!

by BENNYBIRDMAN on Apr 9, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It's a mystery

I was just puttering around on the statistics section of MLB.COM & found an odd interesting mismatch. The Orioles are 11th in the league in batting average, only a little better (8th) in OBP and slugging -- but 4th in runs scored. Go figure, but let's take the runs wherever they come from.

"Killing a Yankee fan -- is that illegal in this state?" -- Homicide Life on the Street

by BirdFanLA on Apr 9, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I know I'm behind...

but I loves me an RBI double. damn bosses keeping me from gameday.... sonsa'bitches!!!

by dayzd toe on Apr 9, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

RUN MELVIN

YEAH BABY

4-1!

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wil Ledezma is up in the Tigers pen

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Will D-Cabs know what to do...

with a 3 run lead? Man, if he keeps throwing strikes, do you worry about a pitch count today and let the bullpen rest again? Only 2 innings yesterday... Chris Ray could use the day off...

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jamie Walker and John Parrish as well...

They've both pitched in all but 1 game so far.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 9, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So...

that means Denys (Joan) Baez could go an inning or two...

Screw that. Throw a complete game, Danny!

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

god go to hell Aubrey Huff

What's his malfunction. He just stands there. I'm starting to dislike him.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

hehehe

I know that feeling...

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you a TB fan, too?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not exactly...

those were the feelings I have been having towards Millar they last week.

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Got it....

but I'm honoring a promise not to trash Kevo...

How about D-Cabs? 4 innings of pretty good work...so far.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haven't

voiced my displeasure on here but I promise it hasn't been g-rated the first week of the season in my living room.

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice...

good quick inning.

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Walky walky walk

Gibbons showing restraint? What's next? Sam will stop calling for bunts with 1 out?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ahem...

swinging for the fences when a single would suffice?

More evidence for the prosecution, SC...

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

re:

When we're well into the season and Millar isn't one of the most effective hitters on the team, as he was last year (sadly, yes), then I'll say Millar should sit. For Terry Tiffee, I suppose.

We need a real 1B is the real issue.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree completely.

Now let's enjoy an O's win, hopefully.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

RE:

The rumor is that Angelo's wants to leave 1B open for Mark Texeira. Yet another brilliant plan; don't fill a position because there is a chance you will be able to sign someone two years from now.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 9, 2007 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If I'm not mistaking...

patterson didn't ground into a single double play last year in about 100 ABs...can someone confirm that?

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Here it is...

463 ABs. 0 GIDP.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=patteco01

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Knock on wood

but NO walks yet for D-Cabs? Is this the start of something special?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Trivia...

Rick Sutcliffe, 2-0, forgot the opponent.

Man, give us a tough one. Against the Inidans?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

you know

All in all, Chad Durbin battling through five innings isn't that bad of a deal for the Tigers.

Aw, right when I try to be nice to him, he falls down trying to field the ball and Brian Roberts is safe.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'll take it!

Roberts almost took out both of the pitcher's hands as he ran across the base - what was the pitcher thinking?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Tejada

Couple of nice, hard-hit singles in holes.

Ledezma's up for the third time, but here's Aubrey Huff.

OOH IN THE HOLE

5-1 O's

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Durbin's out

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

what's goign on?

pitching change?

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah.

Gibbons up.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ah...

nevermind.

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wilfredo...

it's like two first names. I wonder if that is teh equivalent of a Billy Bob?

"Hating the New York Yankees is as American as apple pie, unwed mothers and cheating on your income tax." Mike Royko.

by BPinOK on Apr 9, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow...

we are getting more than our fair share of balls just dropping in.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

jeez

We're getting all the breaks today. 6-1 O's.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

woo

They fear Millar.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

All Hail King Kevo

at least for today.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You MUST be kidding

We are in the lead for AL Runs Scored with 2 wins? Weird.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Come on Corey

Don't let them disrespect you like that.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 9, 2007 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bunt!

They'll never expect it.

SARCASM, people!

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

aw poo

I was hoping Corey would get one of his five hits a year off of a lefty.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

RE:

That's exactly why I don't want Payton ever starting against righties. I would rather give up a little D and have that bat available when a lefty reliever comes in.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 9, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

man

This is my favorite Cabrera. The one that maybe doesn't strike out everyone but also isn't walking everyone. The non-Nolan Ryan style Cabrera.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

isn't walking ANYONE

there, fixed that for ya.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

WOO

6
4
3

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jim says....

Perlozzo's worried about overuse of the bullpen?

Joe Torre would KILL to have his starters get out of the 5th! I thought out starters have done OK thus far.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Gary Thorne had to go and ruin a good day,

and remind me who starts for the O's tomorrow. Damn.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I've had to actually work

Just got back. This is my favorite Danny. Wow. 88 pitches thru 6. NO BB. The fans there have to be lovin' it. Whoever is watching, how much solid contact have they made against him? Lat year, I went an Angels game at the stadium where two balls were hit with solid contact. One single up the middle and a foul ball.

by drj on Apr 9, 2007 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Not much...

a few have been hit, but not much. He's not been flashy, but you look up and it's the 6th inning with 1 out and he hasn't walked ANYONE yet and let up 1 ER. Wow. I'll take the Greg Maddux D-Cabs over the Nolan Ryan impersonation any day.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not a lot of good contact

Casey smacked one earlier, but other than that there hasn't been much of note.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

RE:

And the one run wasn't even really Danny's fault; Corey misplayed a ball in center.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 9, 2007 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

eh

That ball was hammered. Corey didn't have much time to get back on it.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

RE:

Yeah it was hit hard, but Corey did break the wrong way. I'm not complaining about Correy's D though.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Apr 9, 2007 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

7 innings down

and it's a 1-2-3. Wow. Go D-Cabs!

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

man

He's cruising. Leave him out there.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No reason not to

Low pitch count (is he even at 100?), bullpen needs rest, except for Baez, and I'm not really ready to see him yet. Leave him out there! Why not?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

104 pitches thru 7

by drj on Apr 9, 2007 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

One more IP

He should be able to go, and then get someone NOT named Baez to throw the 9th.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

damn

Inge's arm is awesome.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

John Maine

in Mets' home opener

4-2/3 innings, 104 pitches, 6 BB 2 ER, 4 K

by zknower on Apr 9, 2007 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That's as many pitches...

as D-Cabs used in 7.0 IP

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone warming up?

Danny has to go out for the eight right? Opening day, he's on fire. Five run lead. Any whiff of trouble you yank him for the ovation... Right Sam???

by drj on Apr 9, 2007 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He's in for the 8th

No word on ANYONE warming up.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Of his pitches

64 strikes, 45 balls, 0 BB

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Not exactly stung...

leave him in!

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah, he's in the bottom of the order.

need a dp ground ball

by drj on Apr 9, 2007 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nasty

Wow. That was a Gregg Olson when he was still good breaking ball. Just fell off!

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Best hit ball all day for DET

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

standing O for Cabrera

7 2/3, 2 R, 0 BB

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No fair! You type faster!

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So...

7.2 IP, 7H, 2R, 2ER, 0BB, 5K and a runner on 3rd

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and Bradford ends the attempted rally

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ROCK N ROLL CABRERA

Can't wait to see his next start. AWESOME!

by zknower on Apr 9, 2007 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

it's Jose Mesa!

I kill him on MLB 2K7

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Can't get it for PC :(

2K7 Sports refuses to put out a PC version - just figured that out today when I went to their site to buy a copy. How stupid is that?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My advice would be

Get the mvp roster update if you like MVP 2004/2005 at all. mvpmods.com

"Your best? Losers always whine about 'giving it their best.' Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

"Carla was the prom queen."

by NHZ on Apr 9, 2007 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sweet!

I have MVP 2005 - pretty good game. Thanks for the roster update site.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 10, 2007 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hah!!!

Jose Mesa's in!!!! Jesus this is making me feel old!

by Jonnypops on Apr 9, 2007 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So, do you remember...

the jerhi-curled version of Mesa that started for the O's?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

...I used to get so pissed off at that guy when he came up way back when.

by Jonnypops on Apr 9, 2007 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

2 up, 2 down...

It's been a quick inning thus far...go Bradford!

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

1 down

Oops, 2 down.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sidearm since LITTLE LEAGUE?

That's hardcore

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

well

That's erroneous, I think. Moneyball had a lot on Bradford's upbringing. He started throwing sidearm in high school to get more movement on his pitches because he really wasn't any good. When he was a kid, his dad had had a stroke, and he threw the ball back underhand when they played catch. He also wrote this, when he was eight years old:

If I were A grown up
I would be a baseball player
And I would play for the Dodgers.
I hope to play for the Cardinals too.
I hope to play for the Oriole too
And for all the teams I would
Play shotestop.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Palmer

related some story about how his LL coach said he'd never pitch if he stayed overhand. Consider the source. I defer to your research.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

come on Chad

Don't nibble.

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

no kidding

2 outs, 4 run lead and you walk a guy?

by drj on Apr 9, 2007 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

First walk by O's today

2 out in the 9th. Just one more out...

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What the hell

was Pudge swiging at? It shoulda hit him!

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

O'S WIN

"I don't want any credit. I'm not looking for credit. You know what? I don't want any blame if we're horse shit, either." -- Jim Leyland

by SC on Apr 9, 2007 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

BALLGAME!

6-2 O's. Nice.

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And in about 2:30

Quick game, too!

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How come...

O's games don't get cool graphics like this on their GameDay cybercasts?

"When I first got here this morning, I wanted another shot at it." - Chris Ray, 04/08/07

by duck on Apr 9, 2007 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wow...

so, i'm watching the replay on masn and they are legitimately hitting.

melvin mora's swing looks so smooth and measured right now. honestly, this offense, for the last few days, has been a pleasure to watch.

by jq higgins on Apr 9, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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