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Look back at the 2006 Marlins. That team overachieved, had some great young players that pretty much all panned out (most of whom will wind up having played over their heads for a year), and they had this self-absorbed manager who took all the headlines and every bit of the credit -- and, to be fair, was followed around by a dump truck full of sportswriters drooling over the new hotness in managerial prowess, all of them more than happy to shovel the credit toward Girardi.

"Shovel" being the key word there, since it is so often connected with what I think of Girardi's one-year reputation.

Here's a question: If Sam Perlozzo is largely not to blame for the shortcomings of the Baltimore Orioles, which some are rushing to point out, why does Joe Girardi get so much credit for the relative success of the 78-84 Marlins of 2006?

Perlozzo doesn't pitch it or catch it or hit it. Did Girardi? This is pure, unapologetic Yankee lore bullshit applied to another situation. I'm not hating the Yankees with this statement, they're obviously the greatest franchise in the history of Major League Baseball, with no close second. But it's a fact of life that the media can easily fall in love with all that "Yankee way" crap. Girardi's main contributions to the 2006 Marlins, in my opinion:

1. Overworking pitchers for no good reason, causing them short-term damage that could very easily become long-term.

2. Yelling at Jeff Loria. Look, most of us would love to tell Jeff Loria where he can shove it, but it's a stupid thing to do. And this coming from a manager that preaches professionalism?

3. They couldn't have beards, because the Yankees don't have beards. My God.

I hate the idea of Joe Girardi because he does not fit this team. This is a team full of veteran players that is not going to take to him the same way the young, overmatched Florida Marlins did. Girardi's spring training and Opening Day speeches must have written themselves. "Guys, no one thinks you can do this. I think we can do this! Yaaah! Let's go get 'em!" And that team played their asses off for him, something for which he does deserve credit.

But it was also a team full of players who were trying to stay in the big leagues. They were hungry, they weren't millionaires, and they weren't really guaranteed anything. The Orioles are a veteran team unlikely to respond to a 43-year old manager with very little experience who is going to walk into whatever his next job is with a lot of expectations on his shoulders, and a lot of other people waiting for him to fail. Face it, professional athletes are spoiled. They're grown men playing a child's game for a lot of money, and they pretty much get to dictate everything they do. It's not the greatest thing in the world, it's just a fact of life. Can you imagine Miguel Tejada getting excited because Joe Girardi slaps him on the back real hard? Or Aubrey Huff hootin' and hollerin' after a Girardi rally cry?

Tony Pena managed the Royals for a few years. He took over early in the 2002 season, then won 83 games out of nowhere in 2003 with a team that played above their actual abilities. They were a great story, they contended for a while and finished up a year they could be proud of. When no one thought they could do anything, they at least made a little noise. Tony Pena was going to be the guy that brought a dead franchise back to life. He couldn't have gotten more praise if he wanted it. He was named the 2003 American League Manager of the Year.

The Royals lost 104 games in 2004, then started 8-25 in 2005, when Pena was canned. Hasn't managed since. And Tony Pena is the impression I get of Joe Girardi, except I don't find Pena to be wholly unlikable, and he never seemed to me like he was only out to make himself a famous manager.

I'm not saying Girardi's bad if the situation is right for him, but I don't think this one fits, and I think the results would be a disaster. If he gets hired, I'll hope I'm wrong, the same as every other time this franchise does something I wouldn't do if I were in a position to make the call.

This is also one of those situations where the team has no leverage in talking to Girardi. They clearly need a manager, because Dave Trembley sure as hell ain't gonna manage this team the rest of the year. Nobody goes from bullpen coach to manager and sticks. Tom Trebelhorn isn't really available for the extra duties, and I don't think he's on anyone's list, anyway. Mazzone has no desire to manage, thank God. And Crowley is incompetent enough trying to help people hit better.

So the Orioles hired Andy MacPhail, who made a habit of losing in Chicago already, to talk to Joe Girardi... and Girardi has every single ounce of leverage? Yeah, this all seems like a super idea. Just super.

Of course change is necessary. But they fired Sam Perlozzo without a successor lined up. It seems like they simply caved to the pressure and did something they could have waited another week to do while they got something lined up. What the hell were they going to do for the next week, not get back into contention?

The whole thing just doesn't feel good, even though I agree in principle with what went down with Perlozzo.

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actually...
...I'm guessing that a guy willing to tell the owner off may be willing to tell the prima donnas off.

And that's a good thing.

Sam even thinks a drill sergeant may be needed.  BTW, Trembley is probably the most qualified guy on the current staff to be the Orioles' manager.  While I agree he won't be there permanently, I think he's qualified.

by howie14 on Jun 19, 2007 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm all for tearing some of them a new one, BUT
what next? You rip into Tejada for not running out a  grounder or slacking in the field. He goes into a hissy fit. THEN WHAT? Now you've just pissed off your player with your highest BA who goes to the press about not being loved, and NOW WHAT? Two weeks of press coverage about how Girardi's already lost the clubhouse.

Look, I'm all for a good reaming when deserved. But this team won't respond to it. Hell, there are even reports of guys rolling their eyes when Millar's players-only meeting was announced.

This group doesn't care. This group must go. But until then, this group is what you've got. And Joe Girardi walking into town like a new sheriff with a big gun ain't solving anything.

"It's really hard, but it's not as hard as we've made it look so far."
-Michael Waltrip (NASCAR's equivalent of the O's)

by duck on Jun 19, 2007 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

RE:
This team should be pissed off; with the exception of the rotation they have grossly underperformed.  If Tejada or anyone else throws a hissy fit than tough shit.  If he wants to go to the press then fine.

I'm not sure that a this team won't respond to a good reaming; I can't think of a manager who has really tried this.  

That being said, I would still rather have Davey; but I don't think Girardi would be a horrible choice either.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 19, 2007 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Think like chess, not checkers
You can't just think one move ahead - think at least three.

We get a ass-kicking screamer. Great. So, he kicks some ass and screams. Win a few games, but turns off the roster. Tejada tunes out, Mora never really tuned in, Roberts counts the days until he's a free agent, and Millar just plain quits after he sees the reaction of his teammates.

So NOW what? Wholesale trades and cuts? When, aside from the 1997 off-season when Florida had a true firesale, has it ever happened?

IF we hire Girardi, and I am NOT convinced it's the right play, where's the plan for long-term success? Without that, Girardi might as well be screaming at the wall and kicking the ass of clubhouse attendants for all the good it will do.

"It's really hard, but it's not as hard as we've made it look so far."
-Michael Waltrip (NASCAR's equivalent of the O's)

by duck on Jun 19, 2007 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plan
The team as currently constructed isn't going anywhere. The long-term plan should be to trade as many vets as possible, go with youth, and hope to compete in 2009-2010.  A manager like Girardi could work well with a younger team. If hiring him makes it more likely that they go with younger players, I'm all for it.

Hiring a manager who will work well with vets like Mora makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

by rp0806 on Jun 19, 2007 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

RE:
I agree about the long term plan, and said so in an earlier post.  This plan doesn't just need a new manager, while at the same time continue with business as usual, adding a player or two every year.  That hasn't worked, and that won't work.  They need a friggin plan.  They need to decide when they believe they can really start to compete, and then make plans about how to get there.  If it's 2009, then fine.  Trade guys with value for prospects you think you can bring up next year and prepare for 2009.  If Millar has value, trade him, he's unlikely to have value in 2 years.  If Traschel has value, get that value.  

I'm really tired of adding one or two guys every offseason with the glimmering hope that we may be able to get lucky and sneak into the wildcard; while in reality it's more likely that we beat out the Rays again.

But as for the manager and players getting pissed, if that happens and we distance Mora, Roberts, Tejada, Millar then so the fuck what?  If that means they don't play as well, then I don't want them anyway.  

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 19, 2007 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

by hiring Girardi
they are thinking long term.

this team is not going to keep the vets, they can't.  they eat up too much cash, and frankly, they fucking suck.  this team needs to be blown up and the only survivors should be roberts, bedard, markakis, millar, hoey, guthrie and walker.

everyone else should be dumped -- we can get a good return for burres, traschel and tejada.  fuck gibbons, i'll take a bag of balls for him and the same goes for mora.  while i respect him for going to elrod's funeral, he whiny bullshit since then has pissed me off.  baez can go work at taco bell, let's unload huff on whoever will take him and on and on.  sorry, this is kind of rambling.

by exitfare on Jun 19, 2007 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

re:
and frankly, they fucking suck.

The problem with this (although you are absolutely correct) is that the front office isn't aware.

Avoid the clap. - Jimmy Dugan

by Scott Christ on Jun 19, 2007 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

A point of disagreement
this team is not going to keep the vets, they can't.

You keep applying logic to an owner who doesn't use it in his decision-making.

"It's really hard, but it's not as hard as we've made it look so far."
-Michael Waltrip (NASCAR's equivalent of the O's)

by duck on Jun 19, 2007 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why Joe Girardi
Joe Girardi was a catcher, catchers make the best managers...
   he spent his career controlling the psyche of pitchers (the most mentally unstable baseball players out there). successful catchers understand the mechanics and ins and outs of pitching because they have to...its as simple as that.
  also they spend their careers studying batters. theyre the guys tellin pitchers where to throw, who hits low and away, who swings on the first pitch, etc. Im sure this knowledge is transferable over to developing batters as well.
  Joe Girardi is a monster, he's got nothing to lose and everything to prove. hes an outside guy, so if it doesnt work out nobody has to feel bad abt firing him. and what was that talk about "destroying his pitchers" in south florida...um, how about what our last 2 managers did with their bullpens? trust me, girardi's a risk worth taking. Besides, you guys all really think Davey Johnson wants anything to do with sad-sack organization with its hapless personnel? Gimme a break. He's a pipe dream and we all know it. Davey Johnson will return just like the orioles have the pieces to make a run at the division every April. Let's get joe girardi and get a hold of ray miller again and see what happens. Besides, even if Girardi loses 162 straight games, you can be sure on the way out he will tell Tejada, Mora, and Gibbons that they are jokes of athletes, products of steroids, and are entirely self absorbed in spite of their incessant failures.

Just imagine...a clubhouse with Joe Girardi AND Kevin Millar...

by southJerzey on Jun 19, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

by your reasoning
we should be hiring rick dempsey.

by zknower on Jun 19, 2007 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they hire
Dempsey or Dusty Baker I might have to stop watching this team.

by Jonnypops on Jun 19, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd make the plunge
into full-fledged Dodger Blue. They've been my backup team since 1977. That would be enough to send me over full-time.
"It's really hard, but it's not as hard as we've made it look so far."
-Michael Waltrip (NASCAR's equivalent of the O's)

by duck on Jun 19, 2007 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Girardi
The Girardi bashing has become just as irrational as the Girardi love. I don't know if he's the right guy for this team (although the argument that he's a bad fit b/c this is a veteran team makes no sense -- a firebreather who's willing to kick some a** is EXACTLY what this team needs), but I don't see a lot of evidence that Girardi deserved to get fired or that he's Mazzilli part 2.  

by rp0806 on Jun 19, 2007 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Amen to that
I'd like to see Girardi bench Tejada, if he becomes a yapper.

by MurraysLaw on Jun 19, 2007 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

right
Because Joe Girardi or any manager will ever be as important to the front office as their All-Star shortstop. The real world doesn't work this way. Firebreathing ass kickers don't actually take control of veteran teams, since the veterans just turn on him. And players stick together.
Avoid the clap. - Jimmy Dugan

by Scott Christ on Jun 19, 2007 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

re:
Fire breathing assholes rarely last in a good organization, much less turn a crappy one around. In my experience, the nasty SOBs appear to liquidate a company.

If you need to turn around a bunch of losers, yelling doesn't work. They need well-defined goals, a well-defined process that helps attain the goals, and it must be known that all will be held accountable. I haven't seen a "yelling prick" do anything but ultimately alienate everyone.

Angleos and his O's are a disgrace to Baltimore

by drj on Jun 19, 2007 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

i just don't see...
that he's appreciably any better or worse than perlozzo.

we've talked ad infinitum about the chnages that need to made and although we definitely gave perlozzo a botload criticism, many issues w/ the club are driven by personnel.

whose responsibility is that?

by jq higgins on Jun 19, 2007 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Missing the point
I have no idea how good a manager Girardi is, but one of the basic premises of this argument, that he'd be bad for the Orioles because the Orioles are a veteran team, is seriously flawed. The biggest problem with the Orioles, THE biggest problem, is that they are a veteran team. All these veterans should be gone. Quite honestly, this team does not need anyone on its roster over the age of 30. They should rather be trying to transform their roster to look more like the 2006 Marlins. Hiring Girardi would be a sign that a bunch of trades are headed down the pike. Here are the guys under 30 on this roster:

Brian Roberts
Corey Patterson
Nick Markakis
Freddie Bynum
Erik Bedard
Daniel Cabrera
Jeremy Guthrie
Chris Ray
Danys Baez
John Parrish
Brian Burres
Jim Hoey
Corey Doyne

With a couple notable exceptions (Patterson and Baez, maybe Ray) these are the players worth keeping. Oh sure, we'll have to probably keep Mora and Gibbons because of their contracts, but pretty much everybody else over 30 should be dealt. So in other words, I really don't give a fuck how Tejada, Millar, Huff, Payton, Bradford, Walker, Trachsel, and so forth feel about a 43 year-old manager. I want them gone by the trading deadline anyway. If going after Girardi indicates that the front office urgently wants to make this a younger team, that's a very, very good thing. How the current Orioles feel about Girardi is pretty much irrelevant.

by crawjo on Jun 19, 2007 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the main objections to Girardi are...
  1. He's a shameless self-promoter
  2. He's an autocratic dick. (Yes, I like that phrase)
  3. He's getting love for ONE season of managing where he finished 6 games below .500
  4. There are, arguably, better options available.
  5. His use of young pitchers is questionable at best. I know, as we've been screaming for Brain Surgeon Sam to leave pitchers IN games, this may sound hypocritical, but I'll leave it to SC to provide the details.
  6. Joe Girardi represents the worst of this FO - the one-stop fix. "Now that we have the right manager, this very good team will start winning!" No, it won't. They are NOT a very good team, and if giving Girardi the reigns buy them 2 more years of spinning their wheels in self-delusion as they sign overpriced washed up vets, than he is yet another manifestation of the problem, not the solution.
"It's really hard, but it's not as hard as we've made it look so far."
-Michael Waltrip (NASCAR's equivalent of the O's)

by duck on Jun 19, 2007 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Girardi
He's a shameless self-promoter

(a) so what, and (b) on what are you basing this comment?

He's an autocratic dick. (Yes, I like that phrase)

That's probably what the team needs. Perlozzo and Mazzilli were far too laid back. The team has terrible fundamentals, and is sloppy and lazy as a result.

Joe Girardi represents the worst of this FO - the one-stop fix. "Now that we have the right manager, this very good team will start winning!" No, it won't. They are NOT a very good team, and if giving Girardi the reigns buy them 2 more years of spinning their wheels in self-delusion as they sign overpriced washed up vets, than he is yet another manifestation of the problem, not the solution.

Assumes facts not in evidence. How do you know that hiring Girardi won't be a sign that the team is preparing to make other, far more significant changes?

by rp0806 on Jun 19, 2007 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

re:
How do you know that hiring Girardi won't be a sign that the team is preparing to make other, far more significant changes?

Past experience.

by Jonnypops on Jun 19, 2007 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah
They're guilty until proven innocent.
Avoid the clap. - Jimmy Dugan

by Scott Christ on Jun 19, 2007 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly
"It's really hard, but it's not as hard as we've made it look so far."
-Michael Waltrip (NASCAR's equivalent of the O's)

by duck on Jun 19, 2007 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

True
A fair point, but by that logic no managerial hiring would help the team, so we might as well stop paying attention (and of course that's very tempting).

I'm probably being too optimistic, but I think the MacPhail hiring is a far more positive sign than Perlozzo's firing. Say what you want about MacPhail, but he built a winner in Minn., and has a lot of baseball experience. I don't think he'd take a job like this without assurances that he'll have the authority to make his own decisions. I hope that his hiring means that Angelos recognizes that the problems are far deeper than Perlozzo, and that he's hired MacPhail to oversee and rebuild all of the baseball operations.  IOW, we'll finally have a grownup in charge.

by rp0806 on Jun 19, 2007 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

re:
when has petey EVER caved to any pressure.

Kruk-"Someone put this team together, and it wasn't the manager"

by dayzd toe on Jun 19, 2007 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't really want either Girardi but . . .
I have no fixation on Joe Girardi as the next Oriole manager.  I suspect he's one of these flavor-of-the-month types that impresses sportswriters because they think he's the next Billy Martin or something.  Personally, the guy I really want back is Davey Johnson, but that isn't likely to happen.

What bugs me is that a lot of the complaints with Girardi seem to be centered around the fact he's connected to the Yankees and that he might be a jerk, neither of which are good reasons to immediately dismiss a candidate.

The best manager the Orioles ever had and the third or fourth greatest manager of all time was Earl Weaver and let me tell you, Earl Weaver was not a nice man.  He was a self-centered egotist who took as much credit for the Orioles success as he could and stuck as much blame on his players when things went wrong as possible.  He displayed almost no loyalty to his players whatsoever (which I think is a positive thing) and looked at literally everybody with an eye towards eventually replacing them.  At times he was blisteringly abusive towards his guys and thought nothing about berating them in public, but had possibly even thinner skin than Peter Angelos when any criticism was sent his way.  On top of this, he was vulgar little troll who chain-smoked and got into stupid arguments with little provocation.

Do want proof?  Listen to this:

http://slacklalane.blogspot.com/2006/04/earl-weaver-awesome.html

or watch this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kl-4FSRYagc

But who cares?  The guy knew what he was doing and won a ton of games.  There is a reason people say nice guys finish last.  A lot of people liked or felt bad for Sammy because they thought he was a nice guy.  I could care less, he never showed he knew what he was doing or indicated that he deserved to run a Major League baseball team.  Screw him, good riddance to bad rubbish.  

If the next guy is a total dick and the current players don't like him, who cares?  Most of them are lucky they're employed.  If Aubrey Huff and Jay Gibbons don't respond to a pat on the back, maybe they'll respond to the fact that pretty much any AAA guy deserves their roster spots more than they do.  If it takes a total dick to make that clear, so be it.

by yurizanow on Jun 19, 2007 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Well...
...I think the wariness of Girardi has to do with what people perceive as the shameless self promotion coupled with the cold hard facts that he's only managed one losing season in the Bigs.  Florida felt he was a loose cannon who would do virtually anything in furtherence of his own career regardless of what it meant to the club, and they could very well be right.  

I for one wonder if all this is worth it.  It seems to me like going from Perlozzo to Girardi is going to be quite a culture shock, and that we'd be way better off if the new manager was older and more experienced like Johnson.  Baseball players will defer to an old hardass like Davey who's done it all. But Girardi?  We might just end up with fistfights and more drama.  

I don't want the manager to be everybody's buddy, or to even try to be like Mazzilli and Perlozzo did.  But we need to be realistic too.  

One note on Earl though.  The man was certainly not nice for much of his tenure in Baltimore.  That was his schtick, his trademark. That he was one tough son-of-a-bitch and you better think three times before crossing him.  But I saw him, in his sunny retirement, at a ST game in Lauderdale last year and the man could not have been more generous with his time.  He sat right next to the dugout and between every inning of the game he signed autographs for everyone who would come up to him.  Now I'm sure we probably wouldn't have seen anything resembling this back in the day.  But it was really nice to see.

by Jonnypops on Jun 19, 2007 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair to Girardi
He did manage the Marlins to a losing season but was given a roster full of rookies with a payroll of something like $18,000,000.  A losing season was a given no matter who managed so I don't know if that should used against him.  They looked a team that could break the record for most losses in the season but they managed to stay in the playoff hunt pretty late in the season.  While I think most of credit should go to the FO, I'm willing to give a nod of praise to Girardi for his performance.  Also, this shouldn't undervalued especially after our last two manager, the players loved Girardi from what I hear.  Consequently, they played hard him which, coincidentally, is one of reasons I like Hargrove.  The players stunk but everybody loved Grover and there was never any "losing the clubhouse" BS.  

Overall, though I don't know much about Girardi but I have a gut feeling he's another flavor of the month candidate.  JC Bradbury had a good post about the Marlins and Girardi on his blog.  

http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/06/how-not-to-run-a-baseball-franchise/

"Girardi won the award is that the Marlins were not expected to win many games, yet the team was competitive most of the season. The voters surmised Girardi must be the reason, but the voters missed that the Marlins success had much more to do with the front office than its manager. Without Girardi, the Marlins are on a pace to win about the same number of games they won last year. In my book, I find Florida to be the best managed organization in baseball before Girardi even showed up. The Marlins were happy to let Girardi go because they knew he had little to do with the team's success. Looks like the O's are going after the next hot thing without really thinking about it."

by birdman on Jun 19, 2007 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Managerial Temperment
I've heard that Earl has mellowed out quite a bit as well and that he's supposed to be very nice to the fans.  Good for him, he'll live longer.  My point is that when he did his job, Weaver could be pretty nasty in a way that many of his players didn't think was a fun schtick.  I don't mean a nice curveball on Sportscenter nasty, but Dick Cheney/Tom DeLay nasty.  That's cool with me as a fan, but I probably wouldn't have wanted to spend time around him.

Of the things I've heard about Girardi, the one that really bugs me is his overworking his his young pitchers.   That's the kind of behavior that managers who don't "get it" like Dusty Baker display.  I could care less that he didn't get along with his employer or was a self-promoter or whatever. If he knew what he was doing (which he may not) and got in, say, Jay Gibbons' or Aubrey Huff's (I love picking on them) face and waved his World Series rings around saying "what do you know about winning anything?"  That's fine.  Davey Johnson wasn't above doing that, you know.  By the same token, if the key to winning is pulling a Connie Mack or a Joe Torre and being everybody's father/brother/priest/best friend, that's great too.  Whatever works is OK with me as long as it works.  

by yurizanow on Jun 19, 2007 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that this excuses such behavior
"Of the things I've heard about Girardi, the one that really bugs me is his overworking his his young pitchers."

But the Marlins were in the playoff hunt so he wasn't engaging in such behavior senselessly.  That said, the A's are always in the playoff hunt and they're excellent in keeping pitch counts down for young pitchers.  

by birdman on Jun 19, 2007 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the O's don't need...
Dusty Baker was quoted on the Cubs website on MLB.com, Friday August 25, 2006:

"On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

this is not what the O's need as their new manager.

Dave @ Bottomfeeder Baseball

by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Jun 19, 2007 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

sc
this post changed my whole view.
Were are you Davey Johnson?
We stink!

by westcoastOfan on Jun 19, 2007 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

By the way, not to state the obvious, but...
Marlins' 2006 winning percentage under Girardi: .481

Marlins' 2007 winning percentage (so far) under Gonzales: .471

It would seem the Marlins FO assembled a group of guys that play just under .500 ball regardless of who is managing them.

Why does Girardi get an award for this again?

by zknower on Jun 19, 2007 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

well...
you would expect a team with all that young talent to do better than the year before.

by sportsman885 @ Camden Chat on Jun 19, 2007 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

why
"Why does Girardi get an award for this again?"

Because they were a bunch of rookies who overperformed.  

by birdman on Jun 19, 2007 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

the picture of Girardi with this diary...
i LOVE that photo, man.  he may or may not be a great manager, only time will tell us that.  but he sure looks badass with the shades and tight cut.  

have the O's EVER had a badass looking manager?  was Frank still badass when he had the keys?

Dave @ Bottomfeeder Baseball

by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Jun 19, 2007 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Girardi
would bitch-slap Angelos anytime he opened his mouth, then eventually get fired again lol. But I'd love to see that happen on film first :).

by MurraysLaw on Jun 19, 2007 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

re:
Frank Robinson has never had a day in his life when he wasn't badass. Even when he cried about Matt Lecroy.
Avoid the clap. - Jimmy Dugan

by Scott Christ on Jun 19, 2007 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

also
I think he looks like a douchebag that walks around pretending he was a Marine. Like one of those annoying turds that shouts "Hoo-RAH" all the time, having never done anything more strenuous than running track in junior college. But I think every photo of Girardi looks posed and calculated in pretty much the same manner.
"People say losing is easy. Come here and try it." -- Brian Roberts

by Scott Christ on Jun 19, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly
Here's a nice thing to say about Girardi, though (there are plenty of nice things to say about him, I assume). When he was a player rep, he seemed like a solid human being.
"People say losing is easy. Come here and try it." -- Brian Roberts

by Scott Christ on Jun 20, 2007 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

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