Rodrigo...

by kevgracie on Jun 22, 2007 10:26 AM EDT

He is 4-0 beating good teams...isnt it only fitting that this would happen after we let him go....Watch Flanagan and Duquette bring him back next year and he wont win 1!!!!!!!!

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I was thinking about as I watched BBTN...

with an ERA of 2.93. What a shit!!!

"DO YOUR WORST, ANGELOS." -SC

by dayzd toe on Jun 22, 2007 10:28 AM EDT reply actions

We need a name for the act

...of us getting screwed over by ex-Orioles who start getting good after their sucky tenure in Baltimore.

We could go with:

Schilling'd (it almost has a Dickensian vibe)
Byrnesed (like "burned", obviously)
Mained (almost sounds like "Maimed")

or to go really old school, Reggied

This is not even a logo of the Baltimore Orioles baseball club

by Chanumas on Jun 22, 2007 11:05 AM EDT reply actions

He told us the whole time

It wasn't his fault that he sucked rancid goat ass while he was here... must've been the Orioles' fault!

by punkrawka on Jun 22, 2007 11:13 AM EDT reply actions

Rodrigo _was_ unlucky last year

I said it last year and in the offseason and no one wanted to hear it. Now he's beating quality teams while pitching at Coors Field and keeping his ERA under 3.00.

That said, his FIP and xFIP are both around 3.90, so he's been lucky this year. Roddy is basically a serviceable 4th or 5th starter. I would have preferred to take our chances on him this year than Jaret Wright. But if we had kept him, maybe Guthrie doesn't get a shot in the rotation.

by silverstadium on Jun 22, 2007 12:08 PM EDT reply actions

Now it's getting ridiculous with stats

What there hell are FIP and xFIP?

"Terry Crowley's lucky he's in ?^(&!^$ baseball, for @#&!$+ sake." - Earl Weaver, Manager's Corner

by duck on Jun 22, 2007 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions

f-ups per inning pitched?

and extra-base f-ups per inning pitched?

"DO YOUR WORST, ANGELOS." -SC

by dayzd toe on Jun 22, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions

No matter what they really are

I like your definitions better.

"Terry Crowley's lucky he's in ?^(&!^$ baseball, for @#&!$+ sake." - Earl Weaver, Manager's Corner

by duck on Jun 22, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions

F-ups

We must be leading the league in that!

Check out:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/statpages/glossary/

FIP (Link)
Fielding Independent Pitching, a measure of all those things for which a pitcher is specifically responsible. The formula is (HR*13+(BB+HBP)*3-K*2)/IP, plus a league-specific factor (usually around 3.2) to round out the number to an equivalent ERA number. FIP helps you understand how well a pitcher pitched, regardless of how well his fielders fielded. FIP was invented by Tangotiger.

xFIP (Link)
Expected Fielding Independent Pitching. This is an experimental stat that adjusts FIP and "normalizes" the home run component. Research has shown that home runs allowed are pretty much a function of flyballs allowed and home park, so xFIP is based on the average number of home runs allowed per outfield fly. Theoretically, this should be a better predicter of a pitcher's future ERA.

Last year these stats showed that Rodrigo was particularly unlucky.

After my previous post, I received my weekly baseballhq.com e-mail and it featured Roddy. They claim that, although Roddy's ERA is due to regress to around 4.00, his skills have improved a bit this year. His GB% has increased and his control has improved. That increased GB% is particularly important pitching at Coors and it certainly would have helped last year.

by silverstadium on Jun 22, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Rowdy Roddy

The "to the naked eye" thing about Roddy last year is that his pitches weren't working and his location seemed off. His best pitch (slider) was erratic. And his other secondary stuff rarely seemed any good. And when you throw 85, you need that stuff.

"People say losing is easy. Come here and try it." -- Brian Roberts

by Scott Christ on Jun 23, 2007 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

oh and also

He's a dick.

"People say losing is easy. Come here and try it." -- Brian Roberts

by Scott Christ on Jun 23, 2007 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh silverstadium

Do you really want to bet that Rowdy Roddy keeps up this performance? Not to mention, the sample size is small. The guy is pitching in Coors Field w/o the humidor. Mike Hampton had a terrific first half in COL when he first arrived. But the thin air sapped his energy and killed the break in his pitches. I fully expect the same thing to happen to Rowdy assuming he stays healthy.

by birdman on Jun 23, 2007 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Will Roddy keep it up?

First of all, yes, Roddy was a dick last year, so I didn't really mind seeing him go. I'd much rather have Burres and Guthrie in our rotation. Letting him go so we can trade a promising young reliever for Jaret Wright, though, made no sense.

I don't think anyone expects Roddy to keep his ERA under 3.00 all season. I think the low 4's is reasonable. If he pitched in Camden against the AL East (even though he just smoked the Yanks) it would probably be a bit higher, but closer to his career numbers than last season.

When did your teeth get so shiny and white, birdman? I haven't been on the site much lately.

by silverstadium on Jun 23, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions

DIPS and Rowdy Roddy

"When did your teeth get so shiny and white, birdman?"

Shiny and white? Coffee stained would probably be more accurate. In any case, I'm guessing offhand pitching in Coors Field is tougher than pitching in the AL. And I would be shocked to see Roddy Rowdy end up with the ERA around the low 4. My disagreement is nothing personal but I've heard several pitchers say that the effect of Coors Field usually take a few months. With a handful of exceptions, Coors Fields beats down pitchers. The humidor helped a bit but for whatever reason they ditched it. I don't see any reason why Roddy would be an exception to the general trend. Plus, I don't know if you had a chance to read it, but I believe the NY Times posted an article about DIPS recently. Apparently, once you factor in how hard the ball is hit (along with another variable I can't remember), pitchers actually do have a great deal of control over balls put in play. I believe the author deemed his findings preliminary but I confirmed what I've suspected about DIPS and why I've never been a big believer in it.

by birdman on Jun 24, 2007 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions

FIP/DIP

Yeah, I've read some stuff lately too that they're figuring out that pitchers do have control over balls in play to an extent. I didn't see that Times article, though. For now, FIP is useful but definitely not perfect. We have no better ERA normed stat to use quite yet.

And I know it's nothing personal, bird. It will be interesting to see how Coors wears on him as the season goes on.

by silverstadium on Jun 24, 2007 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions