Gibbons busted for HGH
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/09/09/drugs.probe/index.html
In the ever-widening Signature Pharmacy scandal, Baltimore Orioles outfielder Jay Gibbons is the latest pro athlete tied to an alleged illegal internet drug distribution network. According to information obtained by SI, Gibbons received shipments of performance-enhancing steroids and human growth hormone (HGH) from an Orlando-based compound pharmacy raided last spring as part of a multi-agency bust, even after both drugs were on Major League Baseball's banned substance list.
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Is anybody surprised? Does anyone care?
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not surprised, dont care
Jeremy Guthrie is better then you! Go to hell Rob Bell!
by westcoastOfan on Sep 9, 2007 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
more proof they DO work
I was once a kind and honest orthodontist experimenting with electric brainwave stimulation.
by zknower on Sep 10, 2007 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Performance enhancement?!
by tbone shelby on Sep 9, 2007 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB vs NFL
In the MLB, the Orioles are powerless to do anything. They can't seek previously paid bonuses, they can't suspend him as a team, and if they do cut him, they eat his contract. Since the evidence was found as a result of an action that was not part of the MLB drug testing program, I doubt the MLB will even suspend him.
MLB might be the one instance where even I believe unions have too much power.
"And I'm respected in da hood like a 'G'..."
- Boo-Yaa T.R.I.B.E. & FNM
by duck on Sep 9, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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I'm not sure what drugs are screened for, but with the celebration of increased size and speed (along with more vicious hits), I've always wondered if football is serious about this drug enforcement. It's really only this year we'll start to find out.
by drj on Sep 9, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB has also been rife with steroids
You'd have to have an IQ of 65, or be a target of a fed investigation, to get caught by MLB.
"And I'm respected in da hood like a 'G'..."
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by duck on Sep 9, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
have to have an iq of 65
Same for a guy like Rodney Harrison (not baseball but same brazen purchase).
by drj on Sep 9, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by SC on Sep 9, 2007 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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With the current finger pointing at Ankiel and Glaus, do you say "I think the Cardinals and Angels or Blue Jays now have a tarnished reputation"? Have the Yankees been tarnished due to Giambi and Sheffield? I don't think so. This is a personal issue and it just tells me some players aren't as careful as others.
The O's tarnished image is due to years of ineptitude.
by drj on Sep 9, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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This is not the first or second time an Orioles player has been nabbed.
by SC on Sep 10, 2007 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I think it's a stretch to look at a player's individual choice (one I believe they almost all make at some point in their career) and say that it's the organization's fault. It's a broader issue in sports that player unions and the sports governing bodies have done little to stem in the past, and I'm dubious of their resolve moving forward.
by drj on Sep 10, 2007 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tarnished orgs
I'm not terribly worried about it either. I have a feeling that a bunch more names will be coming. I'm pretty sure all the names will be spread out across different organizations. Having a player test positive for PEDs doesn't help the org's image but it hardly damages it because players are testing positive across a lot of different teams. If anything, the MLB's, rather than any individual team, reputation is tarnished.
by birdman on Sep 10, 2007 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Hairston Jr. was also implicated
by spike2131 on Sep 9, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm so naive
by Osfan on Sep 9, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Mazilli personally injected Gibbons.
by exitfare on Sep 9, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can handle losing.
by Osfan on Sep 9, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll care of it
by exitfare on Sep 9, 2007 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man! Terrible!
by Osfan on Sep 9, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This guy is terrible.
On a sort of related note, every time I saw someone wearing a Jay Gibbons jersey at the yard this weekend, I made it a point to laugh at them.
by exitfare on Sep 9, 2007 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are really people who bought Gibbons shirts?
I was once a kind and honest orthodontist experimenting with electric brainwave stimulation.
by zknower on Sep 9, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was at the Inner Harbor
by exitfare on Sep 9, 2007 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gibbons' bullshit denial in '06
"And I am not going to dignify these claims and accusations with any further response," he said.
He said he's never failed a drug test, and that's it. Didn't deny using.
Smooth. Quite the politician.
And it's not just HGH, it's steroids too (Sportsline):
I was once a kind and honest orthodontist experimenting with electric brainwave stimulation.
by zknower on Sep 9, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tejada and Roberts too?
by Osfan on Sep 9, 2007 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who said anything about Miggi and B-Rob
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by duck on Sep 9, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
K. I hope you're right!!!
by Osfan on Sep 9, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tejada I could see doing it
by spike2131 on Sep 10, 2007 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
by oriolez on Sep 9, 2007 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by drj on Sep 10, 2007 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
by spike2131 on Sep 10, 2007 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aren't roberts and gibbons best friends?
by dan the man on Sep 9, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tejada has already been mentioned
by exitfare on Sep 9, 2007 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone shocked?
What will people do IF everyone's favorite non-hustler B-Rob is linked (again)?
Grimsley, Raffie, Tejada, Gibbons...how many guys have been linked to the Orioles now? And, I still find it odd the strength coach just 'happened' to leave last year, and that Gibbons 'happened' to get surgery for his 'injured shoulder'. (They won't test a guy on the DL that's not on the active roster, RIGHT?)
by dtuck81 on Sep 9, 2007 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by SC on Sep 9, 2007 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose
Kind of funny nobody sued the guy for claiming that these dudes were into roids.
by dtuck81 on Sep 10, 2007 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I am also not saying that Miguel Tejada has never done anything. I don't know one way or the other. But I do know he's never tested positive and has yet to be officially linked to any of these investigations.
by SC on Sep 10, 2007 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real Canseco(s)-on-steroids questions:
(1) why wasn't Ozzie? I mean, with a couple months of B-12 shots, maybe the guy could have hit one [1] dinger in the bigs, raising the record twin-brother career HR total to 463. And
(2) was Mrs. Jose also pumping 'roids?!? As one Amazon reader noted, the Playboy pix raise some serious questions...
BTW, Mrs. Jose's ghostwriter beat Jose's all hollow. For a clever (and occasionaly hilarious) novel on celeb ghostwriters, see Mil Millington's "A Certain Chemistry"-- perfect for a Spanish beach or a rainy day in the rumpus room.
by Titov on Sep 11, 2007 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
"And I'm respected in da hood like a 'G'..."
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by duck on Sep 10, 2007 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as if i needed another reason to hate gibbons.
"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer
by 2632 on Sep 9, 2007 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am really annoyed by people who make it
by Titov on Sep 10, 2007 2:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit
The whole "everyone's doing it" argument is crap. Everyone is not doing it. A bunch of guys are? Fine. They're cheaters. You cheat? You're one of them. The fact that there are a lot of cheaters doesn't make any individual cheater less culpable for his actions. So I'll vent my anger at Bonds all I want, thank you very much. And if by "self-righteous", you mean "in possession of some morals/ethics" as opposed to "don't give a shit and will happily cheat to get wealthy" then yeah, color me guilty.
I was once a kind and honest orthodontist experimenting with electric brainwave stimulation.
by zknower on Sep 10, 2007 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Mom, EVERYONE smokes weed now....
Seriously, never touched the stuff. Honest. Swear on the lives of both my kids.
"And I'm respected in da hood like a 'G'..."
- Boo-Yaa T.R.I.B.E. & FNM
by duck on Sep 10, 2007 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much of the steroid hysteria
Reminds me of a great quote from Bill Maher -
"Did you see those Super Bowl ads? Let me tell you, Viagra, Cialis & Levitra aren't the names of 3 hookers who showed up at the Patriots post game party. It's not that they don't want you taking drugs, they just want to make sure you're taking THEIR drugs."
by Sluggo on Sep 10, 2007 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re
http://www.camdenchat.com/comments/2006/7/13/7545/66119/9#9
When statements have issued forth from official MLB sources, the "shock" has been phony and "anger" has registered as self-righteous-- for all the reasons H. Bryant (and various others) have detailed. Sure, the Gibbons case (and others) should make it more incumbent on PC Bud and MLB collectively to express the appropriate sentiments; but it/they is/are likely to have the opposite effect, judging by the decreasing severity of the measures being taken against/toward actual and reported violators. MLB apparently wants us to view this problem as something like "a regrettable chapter in the history of the sport which, if we would all just shut up about it, would probably go away quietly."
When your idea of regulating the sport is sitting in the stands and rooting for BB to break records, whatever Gibbonses come along can serve as de facto allies in the cause of numbing public consciousness of what's at hand by effectively trvializing it through repetition and dilution of the context.
by Titov on Sep 11, 2007 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bonds
I don't know if it's self-righteous because every player who tests positive receives a lot of slack. Bonds receives a lot more attention and hate because he's breaking hallowed records. If Gibbons or Glaus were sitting on 68 homers now with 19 games to go, there will be a huge media uproar about these reports and the level of scorn placed upon the players would rise quite a bit. But Gibbons is a nobody. Glaus is a high profile name but not elite status like Bonds, A-Rod, Pujols. Look what happened to Palmiero. Plus Barry is a jerk. So some of the anger stems from that.
by birdman on Sep 10, 2007 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why I'm for Bonds
He didn't tap dance & shuffle the way they expected and they resented him for it.
by Sluggo on Sep 10, 2007 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No... and no.
The Birds have officially packed it in. -Me
by dayzd toe on Sep 10, 2007 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh...
...or at least a sir fat sidney?
by jq higgins on Sep 10, 2007 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd like it
"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer
by 2632 on Sep 10, 2007 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you accidentally pushed him?
by exitfare on Sep 10, 2007 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can be a real clutz sometimes
"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer
by 2632 on Sep 10, 2007 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If
by Jonnypops on Sep 10, 2007 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm....
by Jonnypops on Sep 10, 2007 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
voiding gibby's contract
by birdman on Sep 11, 2007 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Rachel Green understands how I feel about the Orioles.
by Stacey on Sep 10, 2007 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now we know how he got 100
by Baltimo on Sep 10, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What are we gonna do with ourselves tonight?
by Osfan on Sep 10, 2007 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW
by drj on Sep 11, 2007 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
of course not dude
by exitfare on Sep 11, 2007 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Obviously not. This is a nightmare if it happens to someone playing well. But we're essentially over a barrell as a franchise right now and the thought of getting out of one of our many bad contracts represents a small glimmer of hope to me at least. Frankly, if I were Andy MacPhail I'd have detectives snooping out a whole bunch of people right now in the hopes of dumping these contracts. Of course the players could always go to their Union Rep...but wait, That's JAY GIBBONS!!!
by Jonnypops on Sep 11, 2007 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
murray pic
And yes, Gibbons has been accused not busted. My bad. And if Jamie Walker was accused of receiving roids, I would have ignored the report, questioned it's validity, and vigorously proclaimed that Walker is baddest motherfcker on the planet.
by birdman on Sep 11, 2007 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: players we like
"It would behoove the Orioles to play better." - Jim Palmer
by 2632 on Sep 13, 2007 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if we trade somebody
Friend of the Working Man
by Jonnypops on Sep 13, 2007 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the O's might void his contract?
Sean Welsh of the Baltimore Examiner has a source indicating that the Orioles may try to void the remaining two years and $11.9MM on Jay Gibbons' contract based on allegations of steroid use.
While the O's wouldn't mind getting out from the lousy contract they signed, it seems highly unlikely. There's no precedent for it; the Yankees wanted out of the Giambi contract and failed. There's no language in Gibbons' contract about steroids. He never failed a test that we know of. And the original SI.com report doesn't say Gibbons used steroids, just that he received them.
If somehow the Orioles did succeed, perhaps the Blue Jays would look into the same regarding Troy Glaus. He'll make $23.5MM over 2008-09 and has a full no-trade clause. The Angels could try to void the Gary Matthews Jr. contract. Perhaps if the Mitchell Report names certain players, that will carry enough weight to void contracts. It'd still be tough to get past the Players Union though.
by exitfare on Sep 11, 2007 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We should care
by Born Under a Bad Moon on Sep 11, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm on roids
by merdon1332000 on Sep 11, 2007 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gibbons
Gibbons, like the organization, is a joke.
by dfa on Sep 11, 2007 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by zknower on Sep 11, 2007 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you, zknower
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