Bedard update

by SC on Jan 28, 2008 2:34 AM EST in Rumors Comment 61 comments

Jason A. Churchill at Prospect Insider has this:

I'm being told by three different sources that the trade is as close to being done as it can get without an actual deal. ...it's Adam Jones, Chris Tillman, George Sherrill, Tony Butler and Kameron Mickolio going to Baltimore. ... Press conference likely Tuesday as the teams are probably awaiting physical results for all players involved.

Looks like this is going to happen very quickly, and I would think it'll all get finalized and announced today.

Thanks for the good times, Erik.

I don't love the deal. I like Jones and Tillman, but Sherrill and Mickolio are parts and nothing more. But Bedard has to be dealt. And if Luke Scott hits a little bit, the Orioles could have their first real outfield in years. The rotation could get really ugly, but I have faith in Guthrie, Patton and Olson, if nobody else.

It'll be a long year, though. Let's just hope that along the way, we get some inspired play.

Of course, this could all be bullshit and fall through. I actually hope it's not.

Update, 9:29 AM: Mariners spokesman Tim Hevly has confirmed that Jones was asked to return to the U.S. -- this is probably hours away from being announced.

Update, 12:30pm: (h/t OEutaw below) Jayson Stark at ESPN.com reports that Sherrill has also informed teammates he has been asked to take a physical in conjunction with the trade. In the same article, Stark also quotes his source as saying that Angelos has not yet signed off on the deal, and that he is unavailable to sign off today due to a personal matter. This makes it likely that the earliest a potential deal would be announced is Tuesday.

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the package

It's quantity over quality. I'm really excited about Jones. Tillman is still in A-ball. The rest are filler although Sherrill is a damn fine LOOGY. But we need position players, not 31 year old relievers.

by birdman on Jan 28, 2008 2:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

"their first real outfield in years"

I...I...I'm too stunned at the prospect to speak. In fact, I think I'm gonna...[blubber]...Sorry, it's too much, I gotta wipe my glasses here.

On the other hand, our rotation is likely to make grown men hurl. Let's face it, it's Guthrie, mix 'n' match and pray for rain.

On the third hand, there's still a potential middle finger-- Petey's, of course. Part of the Mighty Owner Persona he (delusionally) cherishes is the notion that his Ownerly Wisdom should trump the prospective mistakes of a FO he has maintained for years as a pro forma concession dictated by convention. Let go, Petey. If you can't go away, just shut up and let people do their jobs.

Forget it, Jake. It's Birdland.

by Titov on Jan 28, 2008 3:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

word

by BENNYBIRDMAN on Jan 28, 2008 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

re:

This article states what's in the back of our collective mind Leaving the nest?.

Heyman usually takes every chance he can to mention Angelos' meddling. It may or may not be an issue this time, but there is always some doubt.

"This is Birdland"

by drj on Jan 28, 2008 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

>their first real outfield in years

somebody beat me to it

exciting words!!

by thewaywardO on Jan 28, 2008 9:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Jeez Louise...

The suspense is killing me here.

by Chanumas on Jan 28, 2008 10:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

We're going to screw this up...

Orioles look like idiots again. According to the Sun; Jones was told he was traded and is heading to the warehouse for a physical. McPhail is saying that there is no agreement and Jones isn't coming in for a physical. What the F.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.orioles28jan28,0,4007161.story

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 28, 2008 10:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Don't know why this makes the O's look like idiots

This kind of "we've got a deal/no we haven't got a deal" stuff is typical with trades. I don't think it makes either side look like idiots. To me, the side that tends to look the worst in this kind of situation is the side that appears to be more anxious for the deal to go down. In this particular case, Seattle has appeared to be the more anxious side all along, and this is just the latest example of that apparent anxiety.

by leeotis on Jan 28, 2008 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

RE:

There seems to be some confusion between the organizations over just where this deal stands. Going by past experience, I would guess the blame would lie with the O's.

If this deal doesn't get done; then my guess is its because Angelos got involved.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 28, 2008 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I've come out of hibernation...

for this event. I've allowed myself a few months of sanity and happiness by staying away from my beloved orioles and instead watching my beloved giants actually win playoff games. but for this, i have to come back to baseball (a full week before i expected to no less)

If checking out what mariners fans think of this trade is any indication of whats to come, then i'm actually excited. i never thought i'd be excited for any trade that started off "bedard is leaving the orioles for..." but yea. Jones looks like a potential stud with speed, an arm, and power ta boot. i figure as long as the staff can keep the ball a few inches from eutaw st, we might get to see something exciting happen out there.

then again, this is the orioles. i predict the trade happens and then the first game of the year kakes and jones, being the "saviours" of the team, slam into eachother and we have nothing to watch for another year. thats just me though.

Go (NJ)Giants!

by daveh873 on Jan 28, 2008 11:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Per ESPN,

Jones & Sherrill have told their teammates they've been notified that they must take a physical for the trade to Baltimore. We're at the point now where we should hear new information every few hours or so, but despite the GM's protests & semantics, this sure sounds like it's set.

Our fans are better than yours.

by OEutaw on Jan 28, 2008 12:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

link to this...

here.

It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB

by zknower on Jan 28, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

my thoughts

I like Jones a lot and Tillman looks to be pretty good. Goldstein over at BPro ranked them very highly. And if it was Clement (or Triunfel) instead of Sherrill I would genuinely be pretty happy. But why this team gets a set up guy instead of a young prospect is beyond me (of course, it's possible Bavasi wouldn't offer either of those top 2 prospects, but why would they offer Sherrill anyway?).

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Jan 28, 2008 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

RE:

I seriously doubt we are going to get Clement or Triunfel in this deal. ESPN is reporting that it's likely to be Jones, Tillman, Sherrill and another prospect. If that other prospect ends up being Troy Butler; then I would be very happy with this deal. Baseball prospectus has Butler with a very high ceiling.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 28, 2008 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

RE

And by Troy Butler; I meant Tony Butler.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 28, 2008 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Roberts Next?

Is it purely speculation that Roberts will be moved to the Cubs now or has that been mentioned by someone on either side of the negotiations? I guess it makes since to do the Bedard deal first.

"When you are in with the Lord there's just one reward, and they'd just as soon make it come true." -REK

by BPinOK on Jan 28, 2008 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

most people think Roberts will go now.

The Os want Jones for CF. With Jones on the roster, no need for Felix Pie, which changes the Cubs trade scenarios somewhat.

It's just a question of arrogant self-entitlement against drunken limp-dicked self-loathing--DaBB

by zknower on Jan 28, 2008 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

do you think?

as i've said before, i think murton and scott would make a pretty potent left field combo, but maybe they get pie, put jones in left and flip some arms plus/or of chaff for middle infielders.

i sort of have a feeling the o's are going to end up w/ felipe lopez when all is said and done.

So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Jan 28, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

if the O's trade Brian to the Cubs

There is no reason to not get Ronny Cedeno out of the deal. The Cubs will have a 2B in Roberts and their beloved, shitty Ryan Theriot can play short, plus DeRosa's around anyway. Ronny Cedeno would be a perfect fit for this team -- he has shown major league talent, and he'd be in a no-pressure situation where he can just go out and play ball. Maybe Cedeno just sucks, which is quite possible, and I'm not saying I want him as the #1 guy in a deal, but whatever. And since they want rid of Marquis, I'd still take him, too. Cedeno, Marquis and a third. Doesn't even have to be anyone amazing, really. Sean We Are Marshall would work.

We've seen the best of Brian, and if Bedard and Tejada go, there is no reason to keep him around. I don't really care about his status in the community, which will mean fuck all to anyone as soon as this team starts winning ballgames.

Gone but not forgotten...

by SC on Jan 28, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cedeno

Has an OPS+ 58 after 688 at bats in the big leagues. He's a slightly better version of Brandon Fahey.

by birdman on Jan 28, 2008 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

nah...

neither fahey nor luis luis have touched cedeno's minor league performance. even if some of his good work at triple aaa is the exception and not the rule, i think even his low ball stats are better.

...which i guess is another way of saying that we've seen the best of fahey and luis, while cedeno still has a little upside.

So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Jan 28, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

cedeno

"neither fahey nor luis luis have touched cedeno's minor league performance."

i did see cedeno's minor league performance and it's not bad which is why I said slightly better version of brandon fahey rather he is another brandon fahey. But a 58+ OPS after almost 700 ABs. He looks like utility infielder.

by birdman on Jan 28, 2008 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

much younger age

Dont forget that Ronny is still 24. A lot of great players didnt do anything before they were 24. I've said this before, compare Brian Robert's numbers in the first 700 at bats, and Ronny's, not that different. 700 bad AB's at age 22-24 doesnt doom a player for utility.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jan 28, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cedeno

"700 bad AB's at age 22-24 doesnt doom a player for utility."

Doom is a pretty strong word. I'm just not optimistic about Cedeno.

"Cedeno has minor league numbers and was at one point a fairly notable prospect. "

At one point is the key phrase. And his minor league numbers matter less when you almost 700 ABs of major league data.

by birdman on Jan 28, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ok

He's gotten consistent plate appearances once. Granted, he stunk awful bad. And he has lots of issues. I'm just saying that this is the right situation for a guy like Cedeno to go out, relax, and play ball with no pressure. If he's ever going to reach his former potential, it would be in a spot like this. I'd rather see him out there trying to be a major league contributor than Luis Hernandez, Brandon Fahey or someone like Tony Graffanino. We've got nothing to lose getting Cedeno as a second or third piece of a deal for Roberts.

Gone but not forgotten...

by SC on Jan 28, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

age

"minor league numbers matter less when you almost 700 ABs of major league data"

Remember those 700 at bats were at ages 22-24, this means that he was far more advanced than the players his age.

Having inconsistent plate appearance will take a number on most anybody. It even messes me up in slow pitch softball. I agree with SC here, i would rather get a piece like Cedeno than a low-ceiling guy who is likely to reach it.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jan 28, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cedeno

"Remember those 700 at bats were at ages 22-24, this means that he was far more advanced than the players his age."

Duly noted.

by birdman on Jan 28, 2008 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

re:

Cedeno has minor league numbers and was at one point a fairly notable prospect. Fahey has never been good and never will be.

Gone but not forgotten...

by SC on Jan 28, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not true!

Fahey was good for about 2 weeks in 2006.

"Baltimore? That's like being hit in the head with a crowbar once a day."

by spike2131 on Jan 28, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sweet

I played against Adam Jones in high school, I now actually have a player on my team that I can pull for.

Go Badgers

by BaltimoreBirdFlu on Jan 28, 2008 12:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Exciting time...

I like the trade and I'm eagerly anticipating the Roberts move. I'd be happier if we could only get rid of Payton/Gibbons/Mora/Huff.

by RobG on Jan 28, 2008 12:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Why

am I not hearing Yung-Chi Chen's name at all in conjunction with this trade? Aren't we going to be badly in need of middle infielders in the years to come? Plus I'm getting the feeling Triunfel is a no go. How about a good young 2B?

"Everyone always says 'You don't have to do this.'"

by Jonnypops on Jan 28, 2008 12:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

per the World Widw Leader

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3218624

"Can you feel it coming in the air tonight--oh lord"

by BENNYBIRDMAN on Jan 28, 2008 12:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

somebody

Please sell me on this package. I love Jones. But Tillman just did poorly in high A. Is 19 really young for A+. I thought it was close to the norm but wasn't quite sure. Sherrill, 31 old reliever, nuff said (unless he flipped for something else). I can't find Tony Butler on baseballreference.com.

by birdman on Jan 28, 2008 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Whhhhaaattt??

Tillman is a 6-7 kid who posted a 5.26 ERA in A ball. We haven't had one of those guys since...well...since Cabrera. Can you imagine how scared shitless the opposing teams will be when they have to face Cabrera and Tillman on back-to-back days?

"When you are in with the Lord there's just one reward, and they'd just as soon make it come true." -REK

by BPinOK on Jan 28, 2008 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Can you imagine.....

how scared the ON-DECK hitters will be with those two back-to-back?

"Handcuffs and duct tape are not going to get you where you want to go."

by duck on Jan 28, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Can you imagine..

How scared I'll be if Cabrera is still pitching for the Orioles when Tillman makes his ML debut?

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 28, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly...

you will have to wear a hard hat to sit behind home plate.

When Rick Ankiel was being shuttled back and forth from STL to the Memphis Redbirds I went to watch him pitch against the Oklahoma City Redhawks. About 10 guys behind the plate had on hardhats. It was unbelievable the kind of stuff Ankiel had, but in about 5 innings of work he threw at least 10 balls to the backstop. It was weird...he would strike out two guys on seven or eight pitches and then throw two straight to the backstop. When he left in the midst of the 6th inning the crowd gave him a standing ovation.

"When you are in with the Lord there's just one reward, and they'd just as soon make it come true." -REK

by BPinOK on Jan 28, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Forget it, Jake. It's Birdland.

by Titov on Jan 29, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

let me sell you on Tillman...

First, Tillman is a projectable righty with a definite plus pitch in his curveball and an above average fastball that projects to be plus as he fills out a little bit more. He is a top-100 prospect that probably falls in the top-65 or so.

Second, yes, 19 years old is very young for A+ ball. He was the second youngest player on his team (to Truinfel) and is a little more than 4 months younger than Brandon Erbe.

Third, High Desert was one of minor league baseball's toughest parks for pitchers. Go to baseball-cube, and check the ERAs of all the pitchers that pitched there. Of all their pitchers that threw more than 9 innings, only three had ERAs under 5, the best being 4.42. Tillman's ERA was the second best among starters. And it wasn't as if Tillman was pitching in pitcher's parks on the road because the entire Cal League is tough on pitchers.

Fourth, Tillman displayed major improvement as the year wore on:

Months with more than 1 start at High Desert

June - 23.3 IP, 15.6 K%, 13.1 BB%, 8.49 ERA
July - 32 IP, 25.9 K%, 6.3 BB%, 4.78 ERA
August - 34.7 IP, 28.3 K%, 9.7 BB%, 1.82 ERA

The guy at Lookout Landing discounts Tillman because as much as he doesn't like the trade, giving up a guy like Tillman for a guy like Bedard isn't a big deal. Jones is the big coup for us here.

by sportsman885 on Jan 28, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

one more point...

He should be ready to start for Bowie next year in AA unless the Orioles take a quick glance at his ERA before deciding he isn't ready.

by sportsman885 on Jan 28, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Tillman

"He is a top-100 prospect that probably falls in the top-65 or so."

Source?

"He was the second youngest player on his team (to Truinfel) ."

Second youngest player doesn't mean much if the team's mean age is 20.

"Third, High Desert was one of minor league baseball's toughest parks for pitchers. Go to baseball-cube, and check the ERAs of all the pitchers that pitched there. Of all their pitchers that threw more than 9 innings, only three had ERAs under 5, the best being 4.42. Tillman's ERA was the second best among starters. And it wasn't as if Tillman was pitching in pitcher's parks on the road because the entire Cal League is tough on pitchers."

Cool, that's encouraging. But I just can't get excited about a guy until he does well in AA, especially after Erbe. If he's 3-4 years younger than his competition, then I'll get more excited. Dave Cameron at the USS Mariner, who's pretty damn good, doesn't seem to be terribly high on Tillman, which is affecting my opinion.

by birdman on Jan 28, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

its harder to get excited on young pitchers

Young pitchers who show promise at age 19 have such a high rate of injury that getting excited usually just means heartbreak.

His body is still maturing and as a pitcher that makes him really hard to project.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jan 28, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

re:

"Top-100"

I'm just piecing it together...he was the #3 prospect in the Cal League by BA.

BP had Tillman as a 4-star prospect and #2 overall

Sickels has Tillman as a B+, and we know there aren't many of those out there.

"Age"

The average age of that team is 22. He was a sophomore playing on the varsity team basically, and doing better than most of his teammates, too.

So he is 3 years younger than his competition. In fact, checking baseball-reference, Tillman was the second youngest pitcher in the Cal League last year and of the 7 19 y/o's, he was the only to pitch more than 40 innings.

I hear ya on Erbe, but they were both at the same level, but Tillman had tougher pitching conditions, put up better numbers, and showed a lot more improvement than Erbe as the year progressed.

"Seattle Websites"

Sorry, I confused Lookout Landing with USS Mariner. On USS, there really isn't much info. about Tillman one way or the other. That site focuses on more on the MLB portion of the Mariners and Tillman is a young pitching prospect in the low minor league levels, so there is a risk associated with him that has nothing to do with talent.

For a different perspective on Tillman, see Churchill's take on him. Or check out detectovision, another very good Mariner site that likes Tillman a lot.

by sportsman885 on Jan 28, 2008 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bad sign

I see this as a bad sign that goes beyond this trade. If Angelos is really stepping back from baseball operations (as I thought he was supposed to); then I don't know why Angelos having a personal matter should delay this. I know you need to get the owner's approval; but if he's really stepping back couldn't that approval come in 2 minute phone call? I mean, he knows who Bedard is, he knows the key components of this trade (Sherrill, Jones, Tillman). I would think the entire conversation should be:

Pete: Do you think this is the best deal we can get for him?
Andy: Yeah
Pete: Okay, do it. I'll see you tomorrow.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 28, 2008 1:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

The more time he has to think about it the worse it is.

"When you are in with the Lord there's just one reward, and they'd just as soon make it come true." -REK

by BPinOK on Jan 28, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The more time he has to think about it the worse

Hopefully he'll reject the deal and so we can get Clement or Truinfel instead of the filler after Jones.

by birdman on Jan 28, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

RE:

I wouldn't consider Tillman filler; everything I've heard about him has been extremely positive.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 28, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ehhhh

What's being mentioned now isn't exactly a fleece of us by Seattle, but I was hoping for more. If this is all there is, I think we got hurt by not having another serious bidder in the public square.

"Everyone always says 'You don't have to do this.'"

by Jonnypops on Jan 28, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bedard

"If this is all there is, I think we got hurt by not having another serious bidder in the public square."

Yup, completely agree. I actually liked the Reds package better.

by birdman on Jan 28, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Tillman

"I wouldn't consider Tillman filler"

Yeah, you're right. I guess I'm down on Tillman because he just did poorly in high A. Young guys who did well in low A and then flame out are a dime a dozen.

by birdman on Jan 28, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Tillman

USS Marinter on Tillman

"I won't care much over losing Chris Tillman. I will care deeply over losing Carlos Triunfel."

by birdman on Jan 28, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

sure... but it was point # 21 out of 22

by BENNYBIRDMAN on Jan 28, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

could have been worst

we could have kept him 2 more years and got nothing. WTG front office (if it gets done)

by merdon1332000 on Jan 28, 2008 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Maybe...

I'm just ready to see some other, younger guys do terrible for a couple of years. At least this trade and the Roberts deal would mean some one else gets a chance to be god-awful.

"When you are in with the Lord there's just one reward, and they'd just as soon make it come true." -REK

by BPinOK on Jan 28, 2008 1:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Seems like a kick-ass deal to me

If we get every player that is mentioned in the best package, I say it's a haul!

We all know about Jones and Sherrill.

I don't think you can get too concerned about Tillman's control issues when he is so young. Supposedly he has outstanding stuff and he strikes out more than one guy an inning.

Mickolio strikes out almost a guy an inning, keeps the ball in the park, and has a career minor league ERA of 2.72. After half a season at AAA last year, he might be ready to make the bullpen out of spring training.

Butler is even wilder than Tillman, but he's also 19 and can also strike guys out. Give him some time.

Baseball America hasn't rated the M's prospects yet, so I don't know where they all shake out. But according to Minorleagueball.com, we get the M's #1, #4, and #6 prospects in the deal (2 B+s and a B-), plus 2 guys who could be in our bullpen this year. I'll take it.

by silverstadium on Jan 28, 2008 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I wonder

If we could get Matt Cain from the Jints for Roberts. I know thats probably a stretch but it seems like they want to compete this year, but they need a second baseman. Also we could maybe get something from the White Sox, Mets, Indians, or phillies for Roberts. I don't like the idea of Pie for Roberts, i think he is another Patterson. I'm glad we got jones instead I think he has the potential to be carl crawford-esque

Go Badgers

by BaltimoreBirdFlu on Jan 28, 2008 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

RE:

Phillies have Utley; they need to add pitching not offense. Indians have Asdrubal Cabrera, who they are very big on (he's only 22). I could see the Mets or Sox having interest though.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 28, 2008 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree on Pie

He sounds just like corey patterson did, which is scary. The Cubs tend to over-value athleticism and that leads to Pie being over-valued. We would be better off getting different prospects.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jan 28, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

re: Wet Blanket

Did anyone recall all this drama when the A's traded Haren? Seems like they targeted players and bam, it was done. The O's have to pick at their navels for weeks trying to come to a decision. Then they decide not to decide and call it off. Same old vacillating shit we're used to seeing.

They may yet just pick up a Baez equivalent and call it an off season. You'd be perplexed and certainly deflated, but deep down, would you really be surprised?

"This is Birdland"

by drj on Jan 28, 2008 5:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

RE:

Agreed; this is reminding me of the AJ Burnett fiasco. It seems to me that most trades that get made you don't hear much about until there actually is a trade.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Jan 28, 2008 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs