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Off-season trade targets

Well, it's that time again.  Time for us to pontificate on whom the Front Office will go after, creating wildly unrealistic trade scenarios, and ballyhoo free agent signings the likes of Teixeira and Sabathia.  None of them will pan out, but hell, it's fun to exercise our imaginations and discuss/argue/call someone an idiot for suggesting something some preposterous, so insane that only Hank Steinbrenner would come up with it.

Without further rambling and pointless dancing, my suggested moves:

Shortstop -
We all know by now that MacPhail and Trembley want an offensive minded shortstop that isn't a liability in the field and probably using Juan Castro in the 8th or 9th as a defensive sub.  We know that Orlando Cabrera, David Eckstein, Adam Everett, Rafael Furcal, Cesar Izturis, Felipe Lopez, and Edgar Renteria are available through free agency.  But where's the fun in that?  Nowhere!
How about this team continues on their path of finding young, cheap players and plugging them in?  Which brings me to Alcides Escobar (Brewers), J.J. Hardy (Brewers), Elvis Andrus (Rangers), and Joaquin Arias (Rangers). Now, I realize for a while now people have suggested going after Escobar or Hardy - even though now, more then ever, it looks like one of the two of them will be available at or before spring training - for some kind of Daniel Cabrera, or another pitcher, trade and that's still a possibility, but now we have Elvis Andrus and Joaquin Arias that have proved they can hit and field their positions pretty darn well.  With Andrus and Arias (Andrus being the more likely), the Rangers are looking for pitching and that's all.  For a while now, the Brewers were clearly looking for a good package for either Hardy or Escobar, understandably so, but what the Orioles would have to give up might be too much for such players.  With Andrus and Arias, we don't necessarily have that.  There's a massive log jam in the infield in Texas.  Michael Young and Ian Kinsler are holding down the middle infield offensively and defensively and it doesn't seem like Ron Washington is interested putting either one of the young guys at the corners as that would displace Chris Davis, Frank Catalanotto, Hank Blalock, and Travis Metcalf, and Jon Daniels has said he'll be making moves for pitchers this offseason.

Suggestion (after being long-winded) - Daniel Cabrera and a Double- or Single-A starter for Elvis Andrus.  Heck, I'd go Cabrera and Penn or someone like that.
Did I mention that Jon Daniels is a doofus?  Give him a pet rock and he'll trade you Teagarden.

Starting Pitching -
If this team is able to trade for a Andrus, Arias, Hardy, or Escobar that would ensure a larger-then-there-already-is hole in the rotation; unless, someone is interested in trying Burres again...thought not.  So, I'm saying free agents until the young guys are ready.  This means doing something similarly to what MacPhail did in '07, trading the Trashman to the Cubs for some parts.  This season it'll be more like two or three veteran signings for two or three years and trading when the youth (Tillman, Arrieta, Patton, Erbe, Hernandez, Bergesen, etc) are ready to break in.

Suggestion - A.J. Burnett (yeah), Paul Byrd, and Sergio Mitre.  First off, yeah, I'm suggesting Burnett.  While I think Guthrie has been an incredible ace for this team, it helps to have someone else be able to pick up the slack from time-to-time.  Perhaps, two guys to share anchor duty, instead of putting all that pressure on a young Guthrie.  Second, Paul Bryd.  Keeping in mind that I'm not all too excited about either he or Mitre, they make sense.  Byrd is a groundball pitcher and a great mentor for young guys.  Sure, he's not that great.  Sure, he's getting old.  But we don't need youth, we need a stopgap for a year or two.  So, why not?  Lastly, Sergio Mitre.  Mitre has gradually fallen apart both mentally and physically since being traded to the Marlins for Juan Pierre.  He pitched pretty well for the Cubs before the trade and started off fine before really falling off the wagon down in Florida first physically, then mentally.  But here's the thing, he actually pitched quite well under Kranitz in Florida.  He was locating, getting big outs, and it looked as though that trade would work out for the Marlins...until his arm nearly fell off.  And really, what's he going to cost?  He's one of those low risk, high reward guys that everyone talks about.  Whatever.

So, that's what I'm thinking.  BEGIN ARGUMENTATION AND NAME CALLING!

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Daniel Cabrera has absolutely no trade, there is no way you get the top SS prospect in baseball with him. I don’t see the Rangers trading Andrus at all, he is their SS of the future. I’ve heard they’d be willing to move Michael Young to the OF when Andrus is ready.

I’d like to see the O’s look for players like the Rays. They target “failed” prospects and they’ve turned into solid contributors (Edwin Jackson, Dioneer Navarro). I’d like to see the O’s targer a few SS with lowered value. I looked up some guys that could work. Arias was one, because he’s not likely to be in their future plans with Andrus. Some others are Brandon Wood (who still may not be cheap), Cliff Pennington (who may be in the A’s plan next season), Brent Lillibridge of the Braves, and Chris Nelson of the Rockies.

by edsachs1 on Oct 6, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Daniel Cabrera for Escobar/Hardy would be one of the most unfair trades of all time

by Birdfan01 on Oct 6, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rangers

Hopefully for hte sake of the Rangers pitching staff and their team sanity they’ll realize that Michael Young is not a major league caliber defensive shortstop. Problem is his bat doesn’t really play that well anywhere else, so they might try to keep him there. I bet he moves pretty soon, which means they definitely need to keep Andrus.

by pipkin on Oct 6, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they could try moving him to second

And seeing if Kinsler could play LF. Shit, Ryan Braun did it this year.

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by SC on Oct 6, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's very true

And from what I understand Kinsler’s no great shakes at D. Though his bat is soso good at that position that maybe they really try to make it work.

Michael Young is a replaceable player and his contract kinda sucks.

by pipkin on Oct 7, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is Michael Young replaceable?

I’m confused, where are y’all getting your numbers? Sure Kinsler and Young haven’t been the best defensively at short and second, sure Young would make a much better second baseman then shortstop, but neither are defensive liabilities. Far from it. Could someone check the fielders bible on this, please?

Regardless, while most are suggesting Young moves back to second, Andrus fills the spot at short, and Kinsler becomes a left fielder/DH the Rangers need pitching. The guys they have are terrible. They were consistently worse then any team’s staff and pen in baseball and have been for a heck of a long time. If a team were to offer a couple pitchers or a prospect or two for Andrus you don’t think they’d do it? You don’t think they’d just bite the bullet, keep Young and Kinsler where they are (maybe shifting Arias in there), and go after any kind of pitching? Based on the interviews I’ve read, it would seem that Daniels is becoming frantic about pitching. And he’s willing to trade prospects for good pitching.

And I’m not saying Cabrera is a fantastic pitcher. What I am saying is that Daniels is desperate, and some are saying Cabrera just needs a “change of scenery”. Who knows? If not, there are other players the Rangers might be interested in. Some kind of Penn and David Hernandez, or something like that?

by Dr Orpheus on Oct 7, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A "change of scenery" to Arlington has never helped a pitcher

With Cabrera’s declining K-rate he’d be the next Adam Eaton in there.

I don’t think anyone’s going to trade anything more than fringe prospects for Cabrera.

by punkrawka on Oct 7, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daniels should be able to do alot better than Cabrera for Andrus. It would take one of Matusz, Tillman, or Arrietta for him to even consider an offer from the O’s.

by edsachs1 on Oct 7, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here are some links

The second is gated for insider.

http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/the-looming-albatross-michael-youngs-con.html

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=2785867&name=law_keith

Michael Young is a bad defensive shortstop who is entering his decline phase (exacerbated by his hitting style). I suggest a comparison to Miguel Tejada.

I might have overstated my case that Kinsler is a below-average fielder, though I do recall reading that. Someone (probably Law) said that was one of the reasons their pitching staff is so bad, because of their bad up-the-middle defense (can’t remember how Hamilton fit into that).

by pipkin on Oct 8, 2008 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Rangers perspective:
  • As of now, Andrus is “untouchable”….. yes, and I remind you that Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin were once called “untouchable”
  • Michael Young isn’t moving back to second. The cries are for him to move to third… to compensate for his lack of range. Young’s contract is a bad one, but at third, he’d make up for it by playing a more limited position, and continuing to hit for decent average… Like Chone Figgins only whiter.
  • Kinsler stays at second… (if he’s not dealt… GASP!)… If there ever were a trade chip that could net us a top-of-the-rotation starter, it would be Kinsler.

I just don’t see a match with the Rangers and O’s. The Rangers need help at the top of the rotation… and Daniel Cabrera is just not going to cut it. Tillman and Arrieta are interesting to talk about, but, I don’t see Daniels asking for a high-minors arm when he already has Holland and Feliz bound for Triple-A this coming season.

The Rangers are targeting your Greinkes, your Cains.

By the way… I seriously wish you guys the best in the Teixeira sweepstakes. We need that juicebox out of the A.L. West. It’ll be tough to outbid the Yanks and Fairies, but for the love of God, DO IT.

by oc on Oct 17, 2008 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What ever happened to Diamond?

Has DVD officially been dismantled? With Danks to the White Sox (a HORRIBLE trade) and Volquez to the Reds (meh), where does that leave Thomas Diamond? Wasn’t he supposed to be the best of the three?

The problem the Rangers have, and this is coming from someone originally from Arlington, is that they give up on pitchers way to early. They could have two aces and a solid two at the top of their rotation right now if they hadn’t made a bonehead trade and a trade that brought them more offense…that they probably didn’t need in the first place.

by Dr Orpheus on Oct 17, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem starts at the very top with Tom Hicks and his never-ending campaign to win now.

The Chris Young trade, the Danks trade… those two were executed under the assumption that the return would give the Rangers a better chance to win in the immediate future. Those returns ended up being Adam Eaton and Brandon McCarthy… Both pitchers have barely made it out alive with this ballclub.

Injuries: they suck. And what better person to tell you about that then the forementioned Thomas Diamond, the elusive ‘second D’ in that trio. Diamond succumbed to Tommy John in late ‘06, didn’t play in ‘07, and had a substandard season coming back this year. Obviously, it takes a lot of time to get your groove back when you haven’t been throwing for a year and some change. But, he’s lost noticable zip on his fastball.

It’s weird… the Rangers have drafted high-ceiling arms in the first round for the last few years… Diamond, Kiker, Beavan, Hurley… all of them have lost velo on their fastballs coming up through the farm system.

Also… on Danks… the guy is good… but, a lot of that is because of Mark Buerle’s tutelidge on teaching him how to throw a cutter. It’s no surprise Danks cut his HR rate in half with that pitch. Without it, he might not be nearly as effective.

by oc on Oct 17, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

iirc

kinsler, pedroyer and roberts were grouped very closely in the hardball times defensive ratings.

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by j.q. higgins on Oct 7, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rumors that Prince is on the Block

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/where-could-pri.html

I hope the birds don’t trade Roberts for him. Or if they do only if they can’t extend Roberts (and don’t extend Prince).

by pipkin on Oct 8, 2008 7:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope they do

One year of Roberts for what 3 years of Prince. It’s a no brainer. The Brewers will look like idiots if they made that trade.

Zartan says, "Sign Dan Johnson."

by birdman on Oct 8, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i guess you're right

I forgot Roberts only had one year left.

The real question is, why would the Brewers want Melvin Mora?

by pipkin on Oct 8, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

playoff experience

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Oct 8, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

also, gastronomical experience

by pipkin on Oct 8, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, that never gets old.

Seriously, I’m not being sarcastic. That’s one of the best memes going at CC.

by Brotz13 on Oct 9, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that...

and the shape of ramon hernandez.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Oct 9, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trapezoid!

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Oct 9, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Burres knows how to step up

…still waiting.

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by SC on Oct 10, 2008 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he'll be ready for 2014

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by exitfare on Oct 20, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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