Trade for Prince?

by silverstadium on Oct 9, 2008 3:39 PM EDT

The word is that the Brewers might put Prince on the market this offseason. We're mentioned as possible suitors at mlbtraderumors.

What are your thoughts?

I say "pass." The Brewers would be trading him for a reason. With his size, he's not going to have a long, epic career in the bigs. He would make sense for a team that would definitely be competing in the next three years, but I'm not so sure that's us.

If we trade Roberts, it has to be for a Jones/Tillman type deal, some guys who will help us for the next decade, not the next few years. Otherwise, we should re-sign him for what he brings to the team or let him go next year and reap the draft pick compensation.

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I really hope some team out there thinks a Mora package is worth Prince

I’ve seen a lot of people say that Prince is bound to start declining in skills sometime soon, even though he’s 24. He’s big, sure, but fatties like Manny and Ortiz have been solid contributors into their mid to late thirties. Prince would be an ideal AL DH… if someone thinks a Mora package has a higher upside than Prince Fielder, let’s make the deal.

by PhilR8 on Oct 9, 2008 4:18 PM EDT 0 recs

Prince Fielder is massively fatter than Manny Ramirez

And David Ortiz really isn’t that fat, either. Compare the legs of David Ortiz to Prince Fielder’s hamsicles.

Ortiz is a big hoss. Manny isn’t that big, period. Prince Fielder is a fat man.

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by SC on Oct 10, 2008 3:12 AM EDT up 0 recs

Manny Ramirez was once a pretty damn good athlete

Look at his early pics. He’s positively lithe. Like a lot of sluggers he’s thickened up into his 30s.

Prince Fielder is straight up obese.

by pipkin on Oct 10, 2008 7:19 AM EDT up 0 recs

photo comparisons

For one thing, people really need to stop calling Ortiz fat. He isn’t. He’s a big, big man, but he’s not fat. He has a huge head.

Also not fat:

Manny’s baggy uniform choice may make some think he’s overweight. He’s really not.

And then there’s Prince Fielder:

The man is fucking fat like I’m fucking fat, because he eats a lot of shit and doesn’t work out, and I guess he’s genetically predisposed to it, as well. But he is fucking fat. Not fat for an athlete. Fat for a guy at Target or Arby’s.

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by SC on Oct 10, 2008 7:43 AM EDT up 0 recs

I love David Ortiz

Also isn’t Prince a vegan? Are they allowed to be fat? Does he just eat pasta and candy?

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by Stacey on Oct 10, 2008 8:53 AM EDT up 0 recs

a diet of Twizzlers pull-n-peel and Mountain Dew

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by SC on Oct 10, 2008 9:23 AM EDT up 0 recs

don't know if he's vegan...

but he is now a pretty strict vegetarian.

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by j.q. higgins on Oct 10, 2008 9:23 AM EDT up 0 recs

i heard he's back on the meat-eating team

by pipkin on Oct 11, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up 0 recs

I know lots of kids that are vegans

that are also fat. They are fat because they eat shitty foods.

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by exitfare on Oct 12, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up 0 recs

You know lots of kids that are vegan?

That’s weird, I don’t think I know any.

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by Stacey on Oct 12, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up 0 recs

I know a couple vegans

and they’re both on the paunchy side, too.

As a vegan, it’s really a challenge to get a lot of protein, which would make you feel more full, so you would eat less. Vegans in turn overcompensate with the carbs, and thus a lot find themselves on the corpulent side.

by Chanumas on Oct 14, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up 0 recs

also, the booze

I don’t really know any fat vegans, though I do know a fat vegetarian

by pipkin on Oct 14, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up 0 recs

okay, point taken

But do you think his obesity is going to lead to a precipitous decline in skills in the next few years?

by PhilR8 on Oct 10, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up 0 recs

dude is 23

He’ll be fine the next few years. Once he hits his early 30s, then I would be concerned.

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by birdman on Oct 10, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up 0 recs

maybe

He’s really, really fat. Guys that fat don’t have long careers. However as birdman has already said he’s very young. He should be fine until he’s 30. And maybe he’ll get in shape, too. Maybe he’ll be like, you know, I don’t want to be a big fat slob.

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by SC on Oct 10, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up 0 recs

I mean pretty much everything on Frank Thomas doesn't work anymore

and until only last year, he still had his batting eye with his stroke and those stuck around for a while. You’d figure no matter how bad a shape Prince is in, He still has his batting eye with the stroke.

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by jobe on Oct 10, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up 0 recs

Would you consider Frank Thomas a giant fat guy?

Because I wouldn’t. I don’t know the numbers but I’d be willing to be that Frank is about 6" taller than Prince and probably weighs about the same or less. Frank is a huge giant man, but not a giant fatty the way Prince is.

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by Stacey on Oct 10, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up 0 recs

Frank's 6'5" carrying that weight

Prince is 6’0" and generously listed at 260 pounds. As they said about his father, it is unknown what his weight would be with both feet on the scale.

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by SC on Oct 10, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up 0 recs

I miss Walter Young

by Dr Orpheus on Oct 11, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up 0 recs

I miss Calvin Pickering

OK, wrong jersey, but he was ours for a while.

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by duck on Oct 11, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up 0 recs

Easy joke...

How could you possibly miss him? Was he in camo?

Thanks, try the veal.

by Brotz13 on Oct 11, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

Frank is not fatty.

The guy is a beast. His guns are the size of my head.

by dakoose on Oct 17, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up 0 recs

Cecil Fielder played until he was 34

If you are looking for player comparisons, that’s your closest one.

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by spike2131 on Oct 10, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up 0 recs

I was thinking Mo Vaughn

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by birdman on Oct 10, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up 0 recs

Obese?

How about Morbidly Obese? The guy could eat Ortiz and have room for Manny! Whoops, I forgot he gave up meat.

by dakoose on Oct 17, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up 0 recs

Have you seen Prince Fielder?

That guy is fat. Ortiz is just big. Manny on the other hand is in as good a shape as anyone in the league.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Oct 10, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up 0 recs

there's no way in hell the brewers would want

Mora, Sherrill, or Roberts. They’ll want Wieters, JJ, Arrieta, Tillman, you know real prospects, rather than guys getting ready to enter their decline phase.

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by birdman on Oct 9, 2008 5:12 PM EDT 0 recs

I think Mora, Sherill and Roberts would do it

In this case. The Brewers are a bit weary of Fielder and would love to replace Weeks with Roberts. Additionally, they need bullpen help and Mora would be a decnet stop gap/bench player over Bill Hall until Gamel is ready.

I do, however, think that you’re right about foolish speculation made by fans. All too often, trades are proposed by fans where they offer up numerous useless players in exchange for a single stud. For instance, a lot of O’s fan still think that we can get quality for Daniel Cabrera; they reason that another team might want to take a chance on his “potential” even though us Baltimore fans already know that he is a bust. To get quality you have to give up quality, it’s as simple as that.

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by Baltimo on Oct 10, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up 0 recs

If Mora, Sherrill, and Roberts would do it

We should do now, fast. Getting Prince Fielder w/o giving up a prospect?! And giving up a overpaid, sucky vet, a reliever, a good 2B who only has a year left on his contract for a slugging 1B with 3 years left until free agency would be an insanely good deal.

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by birdman on Oct 10, 2008 2:48 AM EDT up 0 recs

Well

Considering that MacPhail wanted 2 ML ready prospects for Sherril at the break, and Roberts alone would bring in 4-5 prospects, I’m not sure that we would be the BIG winners out of that deal. I doubt that it would happen like that, I’m sure they’d give us back Billy Hall/Weeks/someone out of Huntsville to make up for the hole we would have after trading away three key guys.

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by Baltimo on Oct 10, 2008 7:37 AM EDT up 0 recs

2 ML ready prospects for Sherril at the break, and Roberts alone would bring in 4-5 prospects

Using Andy’s expected return is not a good barometer of trade value. In fact, it’s probably a pretty bad one given that neither of these players were actually moved. Two ML ready prospects for Sherrill is just so delusional… I mean Jon Rauch who’s a better reliever than Sherrill couldn’t bring back 2 ML ready prospects. And 4 or 5 prospects for Roberts! The only time you’ll get 4-5 prospects for a player is if he’s a bona fide ace or a young superstar under control 2 or more seasons. Andy needs to get his head examined.

I’m sure they’d give us back Billy Hall/Weeks/someone out of Huntsville to make up for the hole we would have after trading away three key guys.

Roberts is a key player. Sherrill is a LOOGY pretending to be a closer. Mora is a old fart who happened to have two good months.

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by birdman on Oct 10, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up 0 recs

You are right in that MacPhail sets the bar too high

But his demands were not completely absurd. It was being reported by numerous sources last winter that Chicago/Baltimore had agreed on the fact that five prospects had to be included, the devil was just in the details. Additionally, Sherrill probably could have been flipped for one good (B-/B) kid and another throw in. It’s hard for us fans because we have nothing else to go on, but 99% of these rumors and proposals are completely made up. People were seriously talking about Rasmus being included in Sherrill talks.

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by Baltimo on Oct 11, 2008 1:44 AM EDT up 0 recs

except if you give up Érik Bédard

by zknower on Oct 13, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up 0 recs

doesnt mora have a big ol no trade?

he’s not going anywhere he’d have to be a part time player.

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by daveh873 on Oct 10, 2008 10:36 AM EDT up 0 recs

Yes, he has a no trade.

Obviously these things can be waived though.

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by birdman on Oct 10, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up 0 recs

It can be waived, but I think Mora wants to keep his family in the area. I bet he’d only waive it for Washington or Philly.

by edsachs1 on Oct 12, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up 0 recs

Washington?

Why, for a shot at winning? Philly I could see.

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by SC on Oct 12, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up 0 recs

is feliz not under contract after this year?

they’re pretty similar players, I think. Mora’s OBP is better.

by pipkin on Oct 12, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up 0 recs

Maybe Huff instead of Mora?

by spike2131 on Oct 10, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up 0 recs

Huff's defense willl be a liability. He's more suited to the DH role and the AL.

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by birdman on Oct 10, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up 0 recs

I would throw up

If the Orioles traded Huff/Roberts/Sherrill for one guy who is probably peaking right now. Again, those three guys could feasibly bring in upwards of ten prospects in return if they all were to be dealt.

I don’t think that Mora would be splitting much time with Bill Hall; it would be more like 450/150 thing. Although I don’t doubt that Melvin would waive his no trade clause, which I admittedly forgot about, he would get the chance to play on a winning team.

To be frank, I’d be appalled if the Orioles traded 2-3 big time players in return for a guy who will be declining in two years. I don’t think MacPhail would ever make a trade like this anyways. These are pretty much rumors made up online and no stock should be put in them; the notion that the O’s would trade away three players who don’t play first base in return for a first baseman is ridiculous.

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by Baltimo on Oct 11, 2008 1:36 AM EDT up 0 recs

If the Orioles traded Huff/Roberts/Sherrill for one guy who is probably peaking right now. Again, those three guys could feasibly bring in upwards of ten prospects in return if they all were to be dealt.

I would be happy as hell. Giving up a LOOGY, and two guys a year away from free agency for a 23 year old 1B slugger with 3 years left until free agency? It’s a no brainer for the O’s. The Brewers would be laughed at if they made that trade. Like I said before, the Brewers will most likely target Wieters, Tillman, and Arrieta before our vets.

Again, those three guys could feasibly bring in upwards of ten prospects in return if they all were to be dealt.

Perhaps 10 prospects loosely defined. The market for Huff and Sherrill is pretty much zilch. It sucks but that’s reality. I don’t think any team will pony up for more 2 prospects for Roberts since he’s a 1 year rental.

Zartan says, "Sign Dan Johnson."

by birdman on Oct 11, 2008 3:39 AM EDT up 0 recs

You'd be surprised

How much teams are willing to spend, even for a rental, if they truly think they can contend. If the other team eats at least part of the contract and you think that you can re-sign the guy, a lot of teams pull the trigger.

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by Baltimo on Oct 14, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up 0 recs