Buck Martinez remains an idiot

by Stacey on Nov 12, 2008 8:47 AM EST Comment 17 comments

This morning on Baseball This AM on XM they were discussing the NL Cy Young winner TIm Lincecum and Mark Patrick says that he's surprised it was such a landslide seeing as how Brandon Webb had so many more wins to which Buck Martinez replies, "When you're evaluating a pitcher the first thing you look at is wins." WHY is he so stupid? Then some guy calls in and gives Buck the what for about how that's the most ridiculous thing you can say and I'm laughing because it's the same sort of thing I want to say to stupid baseball announcers all the time. Buck's response? "Say what you want about ERA and other stats, but ask any pitcher if he'd rather have a low ERA or a win and he'll say win every time." Which, DUH, Buck, but that doesn't make the guy with more wins a better pitcher.

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I'm a big fan of Webb

But if anyone got jobbed it was Santana. Led the league in ERA and IP.

And yeah, I just love that argument when people defend Wins. You hear nearly the same argument when people evaluate players based on championships.

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by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 12, 2008 9:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

well...

wins are better than saves?

Ugh, I just wish ex-ballplayers could get a clue, but I suppose most of them are incapable.

by pipkin on Nov 12, 2008 9:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

As much as I hate “Wins” as a stat; I think “Saves” is even worse. It’s such an arbitrary way to measure a pitcher.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 12, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i know

I was saying that in that weird valley-girl-esque way where I’m searching for something to say so I phrase it in the form of a question

the save is the stupidest statistic in baseball. well, second stupidest. there’s still the hold.

by pipkin on Nov 12, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, I think hold is better than save

At least it removes the ideal tha tthe ninth inning is somehow the only inning that matters for a reliever.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 12, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

you have a good point

the counterpoint is that the hold is like throwing good money after bad, making-up-stats-wise

by pipkin on Nov 12, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But without "Saves"...

… you couldn’t have “Blown Saves”, which I think is a very good stat.

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by spike2131 on Nov 14, 2008 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

in 2001...

Buck Martinez would have taken Paul Abbott (17-4, 4.25/1.42, 98 ERA+) over John Burkett (12-12, 3.04/1.18, 147 ERA+).

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Bad Left Hook

by SC on Nov 12, 2008 10:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I met Buck once

He was the only dude without a line for an autograph at the Orioles fanfest one year.

I dunno, it’s not as bad as it used to be, I’m sure. I actually hear the words ‘quality start’ a lot from announcers.

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by the fix is in on Nov 12, 2008 10:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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Bad Left Hook

by SC on Nov 12, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

is that from reality...

or a wwe/f skit?

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Nov 12, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

reality

To be fair it’s from before the whole thing opened, but it’s such a sad photo.

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by SC on Nov 12, 2008 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

man...

he doesn’t LOOK very super, though, admittedly when i stopped following wrestling, he was just ted dibiase’s bodyguard.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Nov 12, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, Mike Jones

Poor bastard was just a pawn for his whole career. He was named “Virgil” because Vince McMahon wanted to mock Dusty Rhodes (born Virgil Runnels, Jr.). In WCW, they renamed him “Vince”, and later “Shane”, for obvious reasons.

I suppose it could be worse…TNA could hire him to wrestle as “Stephanie”.

by Brotz13 on Nov 12, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't that bad a career

He got to run with the “Million Dollar Man” Ted Dibiase and was in the NWO, albeit in its dying stages.

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by jobe on Nov 13, 2008 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

he was in the nWo during their good run

Not the super super super hot period right at the VERY start, but fairly early.

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by SC on Nov 13, 2008 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Had a solid career, no doubt

There are lots of guys who would’ve killed to be steadily employed in the Big Two for around a decade. It’s just a little funny/lame that all of his character names were the result of the infighting between those companies.

by Brotz13 on Nov 13, 2008 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs