Re: Sabathia...I'm just sayin'....

by zknower on Nov 15, 2008 2:20 AM EST Comment 22 comments

Sabathia with Cleveland (i.e., the American League) had an ERA of 3.83 and a WHIP of 1.32. It wasn't until he played for Milwaukee and got a free out every time through the order that those numbers came down.

I'm not saying the guy isn't a great pitcher, but $137M? Really.

Don't the Yankees actually play in the American League?

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yeah, but

to the Yankees it’s like monopoly money anyway. He’s exponentially better than AJ Burnett or whomever else, and if the Yankees pay $10 million more than they have to, that’s still only two or three percent of their payroll.

Having said that, it is a lot of money. I wish my last name was Sabathia, but unfortunately it’s not.

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by dfa on Nov 15, 2008 3:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't automatically mean he'll accept

He might take a little less to continue pitching to teams with 8 man lineups.

There are NL teams (NYM, LAD) in need of starting pitching & willing to over pay for it.

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by sluggo 2.0 on Nov 15, 2008 10:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

If the Dodgers had that kind of money

They would’ve offered more than 2/45 to Manny. Even if you the triple the time and money on that contract, it’s still lower than what the Yankees offered a pitcher. It’s not even remotely fair, but that’s baseball.

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by Baltimo on Nov 15, 2008 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I hear it's basically California or the Yankees

Cuz the Mets are unlikely to outbid the Yanks and he’s a Cali guy at heart.

by pipkin on Nov 15, 2008 1:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Well, in the year 2007

this same CC Sabbathia pitched in the American League and found himself with a Cy Young award at the end of the year…so, there’s that.

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by getxstoked on Nov 15, 2008 1:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, well

Erik Bedard pitched pretty well in 2007 as well, IIRC.

by zknower on Nov 16, 2008 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not saying the guy isn’t a great pitcher, but $137M? Really.

2006 – ERA+ 140
2007 – ERA+ 143
2008 – ERA+ 162

$137 is on target.

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by birdman on Nov 15, 2008 2:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

pretty much

He throws a butt ton of innings and performs at a very high level.

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by SC on Nov 15, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and fat pitchers last longer

by pipkin on Nov 15, 2008 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well, good ones

not sidney ponson

by pipkin on Nov 15, 2008 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He was fat AND drunk

which might be the problem

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by exitfare on Nov 16, 2008 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

In the immortal words of Dean Wormer

“Fat, drunk & stupid is no way to go through life, son.”

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on Nov 16, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Being fat and drunk is only a problem if you aren’t getting guys out. David Wells was fat and drunk and it was never much of a problem.

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by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 16, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Babe Ruth

made quite the career out of it.

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by duck on Nov 17, 2008 6:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's still pitching...

… so one could argue it applies with him as well.

Nobody said anything about pitching well.

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by timg56 on Nov 17, 2008 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

if a pitcher is going to get paid

its CC and the Yankees have money to burn.

With Peavy back on the table dont be surprised if Hughes and Kennedy wouldnt get that deal done if Peavy agrees.

Line them up CC, Peavy, Burnett, Lowe, Wang Chamberlain (Moose or Pettitte cant crack the rotation, lol). Contract wise Peavy might have a little CC envy. Hell Burnett and Lowe might have better contracts then Peavy when its done. I am sure Brian Cashman wouldnt mind if he had to give Peavy a bit more $$. Same strategy he is using on CC.

I am not sure why everyone thinks the Pads are just going to dump Peavy for nothing. The big money in his contract is in the out years and if Towers holds Peavy into the season he just asks the Yanks or Red Sox to put some cash in the deal to cover the rental.

I will be shocked if we arent in awe of the Yankee staff once the season starts. Hell, Chamberlain could be back in the pen.

by sanders833 on Nov 15, 2008 10:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

The way Chamberlin looks

he could be back in the pigpen…

I’ll be surprised if the MFY lands one of them, shocked if they get both Peavy and CC.

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by exitfare on Nov 16, 2008 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Assuming Peavy demands that the club option be waived to accept a trade (which is likely), that means the Yanks will be give up Hughes and Kennedy to get one year of Peavy. That would seem to be a big mistake for the Yankees in my opinion. After they sign him to an extension, you are looking at a starting rotation around $100M+/year. I know people like to think that they have no limit to their spending, but I think that’s a little unrealistic. Not to mention that it would give them very little flexibility when one of them gets hurt or can’t produce.

Yankees need to keep their promising youngsters, not trade them away for even more high priced contracts.

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by BirdFanInPhilly on Nov 16, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs