Tigers, Reds interested in Ramon Hernandez

by dkdc on Nov 18, 2008 10:25 AM EST Comment 34 comments

http://masnsports.com/index_blog_roch.html

As for catching, the word on the street is that the Tigers and Reds are interested in Ramon Hernandez, and have expressed it to team president Andy MacPhail.

I don't expect either team would offer much in return - it would be a miracle to get either team to pay all of Ramon's salary next year.

The problem with trading Ramon is that there is no way you can credibly keep Wieters down in AAA for a few weeks (to buy that extra year of club control) when Quiroz is the best catching option.

How about Camden Chat favorite Greg Zaun as a stopgap?

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Zaun is Dempsey’s nephew.

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by exitfare on Nov 18, 2008 10:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I wonder

Would we hear that more or less if Zaun is an Oriole?

Obviously that fun fact would be hammered into our heads for the first few weeks of the season, but they can’t say it every freaking day. Maybe they’ll finally get it our of their system.

by dkdc on Nov 18, 2008 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He only says it during every Jays game now

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by exitfare on Nov 18, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

really?

You’d think Dempsey would mention that more than twice a broadcast.

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by dfa on Nov 18, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Please be true.

Only problem is Ramon could be a class A free agent if we keep playing him (Currently, he was the top rated Type B player at Catcher)

http://tigers-thoughts.blogspot.com/2008/10/final-elias-rankings-american-league_14.html

So we’d actually have to get something for him since we could cash him in for a pick next year. Nevertheless, he’d look great on someone else’s team..

by math_geek on Nov 18, 2008 10:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Eh

He’d have to have a rebound year to get to type A status, and even if he did, $8MM is a lot to pay for two draft picks.

If anyone is willing to take on his salary, send him packing.

by dkdc on Nov 18, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If anyone is willing to take

HALF his salary, send him packing.

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by duck on Nov 18, 2008 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Best comment on that blog:

"Steve"—

Give Hernandez away. Ask for a bag of potting soil.

But not the crappy stuff, the nice, dark, soft, spongey stuff that you swear you could nap on.

by zknower on Nov 18, 2008 11:39 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

The problem with trading Ramon is that there is no way you can credibly keep Wieters down in AAA for a few weeks (to buy that extra year of club control) when Quiroz is the best catching option.

If the pitchers are fine with Quiroz, I’m fine with him starting a month in order to delay Wieter’s arb clock. It’s only a month and the O’s aren’t going to playoffs anyways.

Zartan says, "Sign Dan Johnson."

by birdman on Nov 18, 2008 12:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

Absolutely

Didn’t exactly hurt the Rays last year with Longoria, did it?

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by duck on Nov 18, 2008 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

um?

why is this comment and z’s green…ooooh you can recommend comments now

neat, i guess

by pipkin on Nov 18, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

To be honest (and honesty is the best way to view this team), it makes no difference. A few weeks, big whoop.

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by SC on Nov 19, 2008 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hard to see

the Tigers adding the payroll so they would need financial assistance. If we give that there should be some prospect. Same with the Reds.

If Ramon became a type A in 2009 for the O’s that would most likely mean Weiters stayed in the minors most of the year (which I am ok with). I dont want to give his years away to easily. Of course, Ramon would be playing for his next contract so would it surprise you if he suddenly had a good year?

Zaun could come here. Have no problem with that on a one year deal.

by sanders833 on Nov 18, 2008 12:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Isn't

Zaunn related to someone on the O’s?

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by BPinOK on Nov 18, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I've heard that somewhere

but I think it’s just an urban myth. Kinda like the dorky kid on the Wonder Years grew up to be Marilyn Manson.

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by duck on Nov 18, 2008 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course, Ramon would be playing for his next contract so would it surprise you if he suddenly had a good year?

Yeah, that’s a good point. I could see Ramon getting off his lazy ass and putting up a respectable year in order to cash in.

Zartan says, "Sign Dan Johnson."

by birdman on Nov 18, 2008 12:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't mind seeing him do it for another team

by PhilR8 on Nov 18, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I agree

He needs to go

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by NawlinsOriole on Nov 18, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I am torn with this one

I’ll really try not to be snarky or mean (I know, it’s hard for me), but I can go both ways on this. I would love to unload Ramon and use Quizno’s as a stopgap ONLY if we get a decent haul back for him and don’t have to pay the majority of his salary. If we can not get the good haul, let’s keep him and hopefully he can have a solid season, since he is playing for his contract.

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by exitfare on Nov 18, 2008 3:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

i don't know about a GOOD haul...

but maybe contract swap w/ the tigers for nate robertson? i mean, he was awful last year, but he’s had some okay numbers in the past, 17 mill over two years isn’t terrible for a back end guy these days and he’s only 30. i dunno. anyone think harang could be pried loose? he’d also be two years for sure and was donkey shit last year, but was (pre-seattle meltdown) bedard-esque over his previous 2/3 in cinci.

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by j.q. higgins on Nov 18, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What exactly is Bedard-esque?

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by exitfare on Nov 18, 2008 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I made the assumption that it was supposed to be good bedard, but bedard-esque to me will always be getting hurt right before crunch time.

What up?

by snakethejake on Nov 18, 2008 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

bedard-esque

Lefthanded and presumably crafty?

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by dfa on Nov 19, 2008 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

perhaps, also...

a cock. i don’t know what i meant, really, but that’s not a bad interpretation.

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by j.q. higgins on Nov 19, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

crafty?

Bedard throws pretty damn hard, at least when he’s healthy

by pipkin on Nov 20, 2008 7:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

what is he, though?

i guess crafty really does conjure up more an image of jamie moyer or trax or somesuch, but although bedard gets fair share of Ks, he’s not really a power pitcher either, nor a finesse guy. he definitely has a good fastball and dynamite breaking stuff…what do you call a guy like that? stuffy?

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by j.q. higgins on Nov 20, 2008 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

crafty!

I thought the only requirement to be crafty was to be lefthanded. Perhaps you have to throw like a girl too! In which case neither Bedard nor Matusz would be crafty. Damnit. So now the craftiness torch lies on the shoulder of Burres?

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by dfa on Nov 20, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

reading the word "crafty" more than I have in my life

Makes me realize it’s stupid.

And it sounds really weird.

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by the fix is in on Nov 20, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hernandez for Robertson or D Willis

actually makes some sense. I know they both look terrible. Still, how many times have we seen pitchers rebound.

Lets look at a couple of quick ones: Cliff Lee and some guy named Dempster.

Both Robertson and Willis have had previous success. Still pitching in the AL East isnt where pitchers like this go for comebacks.

I will leave this up to the Orioles scouts to weigh in on. I do believe both pitchers have two years left so its not as easy as swapping dead money. The second year would be the Oriole risk if neither pitcher ever resembles a starting pitching again. Robertson is owed 17 mil and Willis 20 mill for two years.

I would still go with get prospect first as my hunch is both of these pitchers have been on the pitching regression path over the past two seasons. In the end they only thing they may do is make us appreciate Daniel Cabrera.

by sanders833 on Nov 19, 2008 12:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Robertson is owed 17 mil and Willis 20 mill for two years.

The Tigers would have to pay the entire second year for either contract for this to make sense.

Zartan says, "Sign Dan Johnson."

by birdman on Nov 19, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

robertson and willis?

Damn the Tigers have some problems. Good thing they have the Cabrera guy, he’s pretty good.

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by dfa on Nov 19, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

True

that is why the Lugo deal makes more sense as he is owed 20 million.

Generally when you want to pick up pitchers off the scrap heap better to do it with ones that dont have 10 million anchors attached.

Maybe the O’s could split the second year and get a prospect. The kid Joyce looks like a player yet the Tigers dont have a spot as currently configured. Larish might be another player they would want to take a flyer on. Got to get creative.

by sanders833 on Nov 19, 2008 1:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ramon for Lugo might make sense if the RS pick up some of Lugo’s salary in ‘10 and they can’t land a catcher from Rangers.

Zartan says, "Sign Dan Johnson."

by birdman on Nov 19, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Whatever we need to do...

to get rid of Ramon Hernandez sounds good to me. Watching his feeble attempt to play catcher made me ill during the 08 season. I have seen Wieters play in person numerous times and he is the real deal (not that many people were disputing that). If we need to use GQ as a stop-gap for a month(s), then fine, just get Ramon’s oversized ass and even bigger salary out of town please!!

by sickuvitall on Nov 20, 2008 1:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs