ESPN's - "Orioles could be busy"
by O'sFan21 on Nov 6, 2008 4:58 PM EST
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Monday, November 3
Orioles could be busy
The Baltimore Orioles begin what should be an active offseason today at the GM meetings. According to the Baltimore Sun, the team is looking to deal both catcher Ramon Hernandez and pitcher Daniel Cabrera, all while trying to add a shortstop and some pitching.With that need for pitching, the Orioles will likely get involved in the bidding for free-agent arms A.J. Burnett, Paul Byrd and Jon Garland.
They could also get involved in the Mark Teixeira sweepstakes.
"We'll have a couple of those meetings [with agents]," team president Andy MacPhail told the newspaper, declining to discuss specific free agents. "We'll let them know that we'll be interested once the period expires when you can talk terms.
"I think I've been pretty clear that we don't look at free agency as a panacea. We're not going to be able to buy our way out. We need to increase our foundation of talent."
Among the possible shortstops the Orioles may target are San Diego's Khalil Greene, Milwaukee's J.J. Hardy and Pittsburgh's Jack Wilson.
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Hardy is the only one out of those three I am totally sold on
Greene could be good. It would be like having Eric Byrnes back.
"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"
+.5
Although it’s not going to happen, I’d love to see Hardy in Baltimore, he’d be the long term solution. I’m not sure Greene will ever live up to the hype, but he might be a decent stop gap; the problem is that if the Padres get rid of Greene, they’d be sold on Grant Green thus taking him off our board. Jack Wilson is just a weird choice, the guy would be expensive and he is already 31. Trading for a young guy looks like the only option at this point.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
There used to be
That’s what I meant.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
Greene could be out Spiccoli
dude would be ordering pizzas out at SS
“You Dick”
"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"
he's pretty cranky
Relations between Greene and the Padres probably are not ideal. After Greene fractured his left hand on July 30, when he wacked a storage chest at Petco Park following a foulball of the shin and his 100th strikeout, the Padres stopped paying his salary, according to the players union.
A dispute between the Padres and the union ensued, and though the Padres eventually paid Greene his remaining salary, the club filed a grievance in an attempt to recoup up to $1.47 million in salary. Greene left the club some two weeks before the season ended.
From the SD Tribune
dude needs to chill
"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"
Wilson is no charmer, either.
I vaguely remember him getting in a fist-fight in the Pirate’s dugout.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again."
that just means...
he’s a gamer!
"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."
--Jerry Reed, on acting
by j.q. higgins on Nov 7, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
SS
Hardy would be awesome. I think he’s arb eligible, so he could get pricey, but the other two aren’t as good and already are somewhat. I think Wilson would be a great backup choice, on the strength of his glove.
See http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/11/4/653502/best-shortstops-of-2008 for SS rankings and arguments.
Curt never met a buttered roll he didn't like.
"Could" get involved in the Teixeira sweepstakes?
I think that’s the most likely of all the scenarios floated in that blurb.
For SS, I’d take Greene if we didn’t have to give up much to get him. I’d much rather we shore up the SS position long-term.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
someone will take him...
for some reason, i see him as a future marlin…or nat.
"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."
--Jerry Reed, on acting
yes, but...
ramon’s a fixed cost. they’re looking to dump arb eligible guys AND the o’s could/would/will probably eat a bit of ramon’s salary to deal him.
"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."
--Jerry Reed, on acting
by j.q. higgins on Nov 7, 2008 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
The Marlins aren't too far from a new business model
the franchise won’t actually pay the players, they’ll just subcontract to corps and each player will be sponsored by a different company. Like Maroonie Tires sponsors Dan Uggla!
"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"
they should probably be willing to pay all of it to dump him
he’s not gonna be happy when wieters takes his job
jim duquette on xm radio
Jimbo has a regular hosting spot on XM radio. He mentioned a few tidbits that caught my attention.
The O’s tried to trade Sherrill for Alcides Escobar or Jason Donald last summer. Not surprisingly, the Brewers and Phillies turned the O’s down. I don’t know if additional players were included but come on Andy, you think a LOOGY is going to land a stud SS prospect like Escobar. Donald is a decent prospect, but even he’s out of reach for Sherrill alone. I hope Andy picks up his pursuit again this offseason. Escobar is untouchable but Donald would be nice even if his defense is weak and Hardy would be a great pick up.
Jimbo hinted that he wanted to start rebuilding while he was GM but he wasn’t allow to. He didn’t say so explicitedly but he hinted that Angelos nixed the idea. For example, he had a Tejada deal in place that he liked but he couldn’t pull the trigger.
The Twins tried to trade for Mora while Jimbo was the GM. I have zero clue why the Twins would want Mora or why Jimbo didn’t let him go.
Zartan says, "Sign Dan Johnson."
can't blame the man for trying
"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"
Twins third basemen the last five years, with OPS+ numbers
2008: Brian Buscher (97) and Mike Lamb (61)
2007: Nick Punto (52)
2006: Punto (90) and Tony Batista (79)
2005: Michael Cuddyer (97)
2004: Corey Koskie (113)
Since Koskie, the position has been a wreck. They signed Tony Batista and Mike Lamb, and tried to make Lamb an everyday player at 32. They were trying anything past Koskie. Cuddyer couldn’t really play the position and Punto hits like Alaskans vote. The Twins could STILL use Melvin Mora.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
what is real and what isn't?
Not sure if what Duquette is selling is fact or fiction. I assume that he wants to get a job GMing again and I’d wager that he wants to make himself look as good as possible.
Mora to the Twins has made a lot of sense for a long time, but the Orioles gave him that NTC because I guess he wanted to be in this shit ass organization for reasons unknown to me.
I do give MacPhail props for asking for top SS prospects. I mean, what’s the point in giving him away? The does need to be middle ground of course, but settling for the Tejada package is bad idea imo.
Librarians are hiding something
Mora to the Twins has made a lot of sense for a long time, but the Orioles gave him that NTC because I guess he wanted to be in this shit ass organization for reasons unknown to me.
As best I can gather, Melvin Mora — despite knowing what it feels like to win consistently in the playoffs, and despite the fact that in many trips to the playoffs he never tasted true victory — does not care more about winning baseball games than he does not uprooting his family, which of course has many, many children. I guess if you think about it like that, it’s kind of admirable.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
yeah, i suppose
Mora is prolly a good guy, and like BJ Surhoff, you have to respect a man for making his family priority one. However, a player’s career is finite, and I don’t really know why Mora could’ve have waived his NTC to play for a contender and then moved back to Baltimore. I know it’s easy for me to say, but a lot of players do it all the time.
In sum, as a person, I respect Mora. As an Oriole fan, I’d like to see him traded.
Librarians are hiding something
Jason Donald
Saw this scouting tidbit about Jason Donald from John Sickels. As I’ve heard other people. his range at SS is a problem.
Jason Donald, SS, Philadelphia Phillies: Looks pretty good with the bat, as expected. I focused more on his defense. He clearly has the arm strength for shortstop, but I thought his range was very marginal, especially to his right. I think he is best off at second base. He could likely play third just fine but might not have enough power for that position. Don’t see how he fits into a Phillies lineup, so either trade bait or super-utility may be his role.
Zartan says, "Sign Dan Johnson."
Tejada
was rumored to go to the Angels for eybar and ervin santana the year before he was traded so its entirely possible and was rumored to be nixed by PA. Old news. The Twins could have used Mora for sure. Probably would have been worth 2 wins this year and well that would have been the playoffs for the Twins. Of course, if the price had been one of their young pitchers then it would have most likely been a wash. Good thing the Twins had Livan Hernandez….oh lets not go there.
The O’s should be willing to eat every dollar of RH contract, Mora’s if they can get a legit prospect. They will have to pay anyway and lose 90 games in 2009 so they might as well get something for it if possible.
I would trade MM and say 5 million in cash to the Twins for one of the pitchers that came over from the Mets. I think its Mulvey who is the better of the two. Something like that I guess is what I think MIGHT be possible. I am probably reaching to high.
I still say you keep Cabrera and try him in relief. Nobody would probably give you a lot for Daniel but I guarantee you almost every NL team would try to sign him as a free agent.
Not a deep market for RH. Maybe Mets and Marlins if you eat the payroll but they wont give anything. Milwaukee maybe, Houston or Cincy could nibble if you eat the payroll.
Tejada was rumored to go to the Angels for eybar and ervin santana the year before he was traded so its entirely possible and was rumored to be nixed by PA.
Yeah, I remember that as well, but I was left with the impression that Duquette nixed because he wanted more… like Brandon Wood instead of Aybar who was the better prospect at the time.
Zartan says, "Sign Dan Johnson."
apparently not that busy...
nice little deal the nats pulled off. basically, olsen and willingham are not great, but a solid, young backend starter and an outfielder w/ decent pop, basically for a very good set up guy seems like a good haul to me.
"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."
--Jerry Reed, on acting
sorry...
that makes very little sense. smithers! coffee!
bottom line is, i’d like to see macphail get a little creative.
"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."
--Jerry Reed, on acting
by j.q. higgins on Nov 11, 2008 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
what a joke of a trade for the Marlins
We should have gone after Olson if that’s all it would have taken. I’d happily give up Spoone and Ryan Adams for him.
Zartan says, "Sign Dan Johnson."
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