Guts makes a good choice
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-orioles1211,0,3171091.story?track=rss
in the article there's mention of jeremy guthrie switching agents, we need more players like him, he's not in it for the money, sure maybe he cares about that, but he wants to have a good career.. way to take control, hats off guts. maybe we'll be able to resign him for a good deal and long term... i mean we did give him his first shot.
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Do we want to sign him long-term?
Dude’s already 29…
by pipkin on Dec 12, 2008 12:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I love Guts. 29 or not, he’s got a decade in him. He’s like a late-model used Honda. Safe enough, reliable, not too flashy, and relatively affordable.
by blawk359 on Dec 12, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah but he’s not a power pitcher, give him a 5 year he’s all command and we saw moyer.
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 12, 2008 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We should at least buy out some of his arbitration years.
by birdman on Dec 12, 2008 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
The only time you guarantee a player’s arbitration years is if you can get some of his free agent years signed at a bargain in return.
Guthrie isn’t a free agent until after the 2012 season, so do we really want to guarantee 2013 or 2014 years for him, when he’ll be in his mid-30s? That would mean signing him to a 5 or 6 year contract.
I don’t like long-term deals for pitchers in general, so I’d keep going year-to-year with Guthrie for now. If he’s still a healthy and productive pitcher 2-3 years from now, then you start to talk about an extension.
by dkdc on Dec 12, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only time you guarantee a player’s arbitration years is if you can get some of his free agent years signed at a bargain in return.
Even w/o buying out free agent years, you could save some money by buying out arb years. Of course, you risk overspending as well if Guts goes down with an injury or declines.
by birdman on Dec 12, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually think the Rays
bought out Kazmir’s arb years to save a little money and give the pitcher a little security which would be the case with Guthrie.
by sanders833 on Dec 12, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
He’s only thrown 400 innings in the majors.
His arm doesn’t have the mileage on it that you’d expect – he’s literally about 2 seasons behind your typical durable starter in terms of IP.
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by OEutaw on Dec 12, 2008 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He went to Stanford and is a Mormon
So he probably knows that Scott Boras is the devil.
by Dr. J on Dec 12, 2008 1:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Each time Scott Boras loses a client, an angel gets his wings.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Dec 12, 2008 6:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I’m surprised that Boras was ever his agent in the first place.
[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8
by Stacey on Dec 12, 2008 6:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I never was
He was a highly-touted pitcher out of Stanford. He wanted to make the most money, I assume. Boras gets the most money.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Dec 12, 2008 7:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That I get
But the dude stopped playing baseball for two years to be a missionary. Doesn’t seem to jive with Boras’ MO.
[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8
by Stacey on Dec 12, 2008 8:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
money and faith can't go together?
I suppose you could make a scriptural argument either way, but scripture is notoriously flexible. I don’t see the contradiction.
by pipkin on Dec 12, 2008 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh that's not what I meant at all
I’m sorry if it came off that way.
Maybe I’m unclear on when his missionary stuff took place. I thought he finished college, got drafted, didn’t sign, went on a two year mission, then came back to baseball. And even though you don’t get an “agent” until after college, you know Boras serves as an “advisor” to all of his college kids. It just seems to me that Boras wouldn’t waste his time on a kid that he knew had a religious commitment to fulfill.
I didn’t mean it as any commentary on Jeremy’s faith. Maybe what I need is a Jeremy Guthrie history lesson so I can understand the time line better.
[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8
by Stacey on Dec 12, 2008 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the missions were between high school and college
That’s why BYU football (and Utah) always has these big 25 year old dudes on their team. Cuz the guys put off their eligibility for a bit.
But I could be wrong.
In any case, Boras understands assets. I bet he was perfectly willing to wait a bit on Guthrie to get that sweet sweet money a bit later. Dude’s a businessman. He can have some long-term assets and some short-term assets at the same time.
by pipkin on Dec 12, 2008 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn't have signed with Boars
until AFTER college, and his mission was long complete by then.
Scott Boras may be the bane of the existence of many a small-market fan, but he’s VERY good at what he does. And what he does is get baseball players the most money he can, every time.
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by duck on Dec 12, 2008 8:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BORAS
more proof that
my typing = teh suck
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by duck on Dec 12, 2008 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boras told all teams
that Guthrie was going to require a high price contract out of college and in fact steered him to a team that would pay the price (surprisingly the Indians).
So Guthrie has gotten a little first round money. Still he is a little older then most and the O’s did shut him down at the end of the year. I think Guthrie is foolish not taking some guaranteed money for at least his arb years. I think the Orioles would be foolish to buy any of his free agent years yet. 33 isnt prime time to be hitting the free agent market esp for a pitcher. Guthrie is sneaky fast but I am pretty sure he was hitting 91-92 consistently and sometimes higher when he wanted something extra. Comparing him to Moyer isnt appropriate at all. Guthrie would have to reinvent himself to pitch the way Moyer pitches and most likely would have to endure a couple of adjustment seasons to make the transition if he ever would.
Other then Carlos Pena, I cant think of a Boras client who signed a contract giving away his arb and some free agent years although I am sure there are. And Boras would have been a fool (or Pena would have been) to turn down 26 million given Pena’s up and down career. Maybe Guthrie just felt like with Boras having so many big fish, he wasnt getting enough attention or maybe he already had a discussion with Boras on his arb years and they disagreed.
Believe me, the Orioles will not be making a big deal about it. Couple of guys named Weiters and Arrieta are still represented by you know who. In fact, maybe we can thank Scott for helping us land Jake since he scared off enough suitors for him to go in the fifth round and we only had a 1 and 5. Thanks Scott, lol.
by sanders833 on Dec 12, 2008 10:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone notice in the same article
This has probably already been covered, but apparently the Orioles have 24 hours (not sure when that started) to decide whether or not to tender DCab a contract. If they offer him arbitration, he’ll probably be owed $4M for 2009.
As frustrating and bad as Cabrera has been, I not sure that $4M for DCab is a bad deal. The guy blows as a #2 or #3, but he does eat innings, and he isn’t completely worthless.
I kind of took it on faith that he was going to be in the rotation in 2009, but apparently it’s likely he won’t.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 12, 2008 11:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Okay, maybe “eat innings” was a bit strong.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 12, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
it is a really tough choice. On one hand you want to move but being this early in the trading/hotstove/off season no other SP has been signed as of yet. Assuming he is healthy I think you really need him to go out there and throw 200 innings like he has been b/c there really isn’t anyone else. If you move him you are really pressed to sign two FA SP. Not that we aren’t “pressed” now. I wish this decision didn’t have to be made for another month and I think it woudl be somewhat clearer. Unlike my e-mail.
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by BPinOK on Dec 12, 2008 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's cheap given the market
and he can be used as trade bait to NL teams. DCabs + ? for Pie?
The Yankees get Sabathia, the Mets get K-rod, and the Orioles get Ryan Freel.
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 12, 2008 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i can’t figure out this pie business.
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 12, 2008 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean pie as in rhubarb or apple
Not Pie.
Seriously, if we can get someone with a chance at developing into a (moderately) strong/serviceable OF, for cheap, we should do it, as we’ll be in a strong trade position later.
The Yankees get Sabathia, the Mets get K-rod, and the Orioles get Ryan Freel.
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 12, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a
friend that is intrigued by Cabs every year. I keep telling him to give it up…I have. But I think if you don’t actually have to watch him go out and have all those bad starts and you just see his 2-3 excellent outings a year you believe there is still reason to get excited. Perhaps there is a GM out there like this? Maybe in HOU?
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by BPinOK on Dec 12, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a serviceabble 4/5 starter
For an NL team in need of pitching help with an overacheiving pitching coach. Someone will take him. What they’re willing to offer remains to be seen.
Plus, he’ll throw down against the entire PHN bench.
The Yankees get Sabathia, the Mets get K-rod, and the Orioles get Ryan Freel.
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 12, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Danny in the NL
would be great just for the comedic value. Do you think he’d ever manage a hit?
[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8
by Stacey on Dec 12, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't hit if you don't swing
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by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 12, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He can bite them off
but he has trouble chewing and swallowing
The Yankees get Sabathia, the Mets get K-rod, and the Orioles get Ryan Freel.
by CoachOfEarl on Dec 12, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+100!!!
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by j.q. higgins on Dec 12, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the deadline is midnight tonight eastern i believe
by zknower on Dec 12, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I think that is right
I think it just boils down if Andy thinks he is going to get a Uehara, Garland, Marquis, etc. If not, Daniel may be as good and cheap as it gets. I guess you could pass on Danny and give the same money to a Pavano or target that salary to a Looper or Garland. I suspect Andy will just go with his gut about the pitching market and the last medical reports he had on Cabs.
by sanders833 on Dec 12, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we oughta just let him go.
What up?
by snakethejake on Dec 12, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your wish has been granted...
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