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"I know they like that kid Wieters, and I know they want to make a role for him, but I was surprised because it was that quick," said Hernandez, whom the Orioles traded to the Cincinnati Reds on Tuesday for outfielder-utility man Ryan Freel and two prospects. "But it's good to make that move now rather than in the middle of the season. It's part of the game. I really had a good time in Baltimore. I played my hardest. I gave it my best when I was there. I guess that's just the way baseball is. You're here one day, and the next day you are in another place."

"If it's the blame I'm getting, I got to take it," Hernandez said, maintaining he felt no bitterness. "If the blame is on me, I can take the blame. But I was trying my hardest. If it didn't work out, at least I was going to try my hardest."

Whatever you say, Razor.

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HE’S IN THE BEST SHAPE OF HIS LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Dec 12, 2008 6:32 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah. Trapezoid.

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by duck on Dec 12, 2008 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

"Round".

It’s a shape.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Dec 12, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

We;re not really blaming him for a losing season

are we?

Where does all of this “blame” talk come from? He’s blaming HIMSELF, guys, he just doesn’t know it.

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by the fix is in on Dec 12, 2008 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

I don't blame him for a losing season

But I do blame him for being a lazy so and so.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Dec 12, 2008 9:00 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I blame him

for loafing & then telling everyone he’s trying his hardest.

That doesn’t work when we’ve all seen you try harder, Ramon.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Dec 12, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I still

like Razor.

He was the man for like 2 and a half months that first season we had him…

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by CStoneNo37 on Dec 12, 2008 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

Ramon Hernandez

Is the perfect example of bad decisions made by the Baltimore FO. He was brought in coming off his best year at .290/.322/.450. The guy was going on 30 and his stock was obviously going to decrease; Razor is reason enough to convince me that bringing in mediocre players around the age of 30 is a bad idea.

If you sign a guy like Hernandez long term, there is no incentive for him to go hard as he has already cashed his biggest check. He was never praised for his game calling skills, meaning that he could not nurture young hurlers, but that was not an issue to the warehouse because they were trying to bring in over the hill pitchers as well.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Dec 12, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually

My recollection from when he was signed is that he was highly regarded for his game calling skills and everyone here expected that Ramon + Leo would help our pitchers turn a corner.

Funny, that.

by punkrawka on Dec 12, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

My only comment on Leo

is that Bedard and Guthrie turned into pretty darn good pitchers while he was here. Maybe complete coincidence but you can look it up. And Daniel still disappointed.

by sanders833 on Dec 12, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Everyone talked about how well he’d handled the Braves’ staff.

by zknower on Dec 12, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I have the same recollection.

"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again."

by 2632 on Dec 12, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Then I'm wrong

Maybe it was Javy who wasn’t overly impressive calling a game coming from Atlanta. I was certain at the time, though, that Ramon’s numbers were transparent and he wasn’t the solid hitter that people believed he would be. On second thought, I’m sure there was something else about Ramon that made me hate the signing at the time.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Dec 12, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember that when Ramon was traded, he was criticized for pulling strikes back into the zone for no apparent reason, which often cost his pitchers in the long run as the umps were upset.

I’m not so sure I remember Hernandez being bashed for his catching skills, but I can’t seem to recall people drooling over his abilities behind the plate. I may be wrong, though; it’s hard to distinguish between the years when they’re all forgettable.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Dec 12, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Maddux

wouldnt pitch to Javy. Maybe that is what you recalled.

Ramon is a good hitter for a catcher, but he was avg defensively when he got here and went down hill. He had 10 passed balls (and seemed to think he really didnt need to chase after them) and I believe a very low success rate on base stealers. For those who witnessed most of those throws, they were high, higher or higher and wide. He seemed to not want or be able to get into a comfortable throwing position.

I have no doubt Ramon will hit in Cincy’s ballpark. But I dont know what the scouts saw that makes them think Ramon’s catching skills were coming back. Cincy will probably be happy with what they get. They just have to be careful not to give an extension if he gets off to a good start.

by sanders833 on Dec 14, 2008 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Ramon Hernandez, Jay Payton, Aubrey Huff

were all bad decisions that were made year after year to cover the fact that a true GM with control hadnt been here since Gillick/Wren. The farm system was bare and then soon the seats.

Adam Dunn would be the same kind of contract if we go that way. Until the pitching is at least near the major league level in terms of quantity, quality and arrival why load these contracts? These players are available every year because other teams are afraid to sign them long term and the odds are always against these signings working out. Even if the player is productive, the O’s are going to lose close to 90 games or more until the pitching is here. So its just not worth the risk even when it gives you that short term gratification that the O’s “did something.”

So unless its that one decade player like Tex lets play it smart and safe. Keep trying for prospects, put a competent but cheap (Izturis) or young upside player in (Pie) and keep trying to add organizational talent.

Then just hope that our Fantastic Four doesnt have any flameouts (unintentional bad pun) and that someone else joins the fast track from Olsen or Liz or Patton, Hernandez, Erbe or others. I think these guys can help us form that pitching depth like Tampa has but its time for Hernandez and Erbe to translate to real minor league dominance and of course Patton needs health.

by sanders833 on Dec 12, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I like

Audrey…but mostly b/c while he was playing Juco ball in Vernon, TX (located in a dry county) I imagine we probably met in one of three liquor stores in Lockett, TX (not located in a dry county). Lockett is literally a couple fo miles from Vernon and posts almost as many liquor stores as houses.

Always trust your cape. -Guy Clark

by BPinOK on Dec 12, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

This isnt a comment about the players

its about the organizational plan. Give Andy credit for having one and implementing it. We didnt sign anyone last year and I sure as heck aint getting excited about Izzy although it makes sense. In essence, trading Ramon gave us most of the dollars for Izzy in year one and you get Freel and a couple of guys for the minors.

by sanders833 on Dec 12, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Granted catchers decline faster than any other position,
The guy was going on 30 and his stock was obviously going to decrease; Razor is reason enough to convince me that bringing in mediocre players around the age of 30 is a bad idea.

And yet, the O’s want to resign Brian Roberts to an extension. Roberts is better than Razor but one of his main skills, speed, typically doesn’t age well.

by birdman on Dec 12, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe Roberts will age as gracefully as anyone

But aging gracefully ≠ sustained contention. Roberts will still be able to contribute in 2-4 years when we contend, but his value in a trade right now is much greater than a guy going .280/.335/.400 at age 33.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Dec 12, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The first sentence

he sounds like a scooby doo villian.

just insert “meddling” before “kid Weiters”

by mpire on Dec 12, 2008 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

I was thinking

something similar….. “that kid” sounds really condescending.

by blawk359 on Dec 14, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

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