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More on Teixeira

The other thread is pushed way down the page, and has 180 comments anyway. If this thread sees similar interest, I'll promote it.

But as we all sit here and wait and wonder where Tex will sign, I want to point out a couple of news items that are new to me

The first is something from Tom Boswell's column in WaPo today:

The soft side of Teixeira wants to bring his wife and kids, age 1 and 2, back close to his boyhood home in Severna Park, near his mother, Margy, now cancer free, and his father, John, a former Navy pilot, who recovered from a benign brain tumor several years ago.

I've seen people all over the blogs saying how the almighty dollar triumphs over everything, and that geography is always second in a player's mind. Yet here is a concrete example of why a player would place a priority on location. Wanting your young kids to grow up knowing their grandparents is a very specific and tangible argument for choosing one area over another. Playing in Boston and flying your kids south 5 or 6 times a year is not at all the same as having them visit their grandparents once a week, perhaps even staying with them sometimes when you're out of town. 

Is winning more important than this? Probably not. It it of equal importance? Perhaps. That's why MacPhail's discussion last week about the future of the O's organization would be crucial to any decision. You know Boston will be competitive for the next 2-3 years at least. You know the Orioles have a good chance to be competitive starting about two years out. You know the Nats have more questions than answers at this point. A crucial question is what happens in the last 5-6 years of the contract. Which team has a better blueprint for then? If the Orioles can stay close to Boston on the numbers, and can convince Tex that they are committed to be competitive for the next decade, the family issue would have to give us the nod. 

The other thing I saw was this:

Man Offers O's Money to Help Sign Teixeira

Given the fact that 28 year-old, homegrown, switch-hitting Gold Glove first basemen don’t come around too often, I am willing to donate to the Orioles $2500.00 per year for the duration of any contract the Orioles enter into with Mark Teixeira. While I understand that this is pittance compared to any contract Mr. Teixeira may sign, it is hoped that this gesture illustrates the importance of Mr. Teixeira to the Orioles and to Oriole fans.

I shouldn't be surprised at this, but there is a serious groundswell of O's fans who are viewing this as a watershed moment for this franchise. Whether or not you think ponying up the extra $$ is a good baseball decision (and there is always a risk that injury or a general decline could make the back end of the contract look bad), it could not be a better PR decision. You have fans who are so desperate to believe in the Orioles again that they are offering their own money to get this deal done. Just adding Teixeira alone would probably increase the Orioles' attendance by an average of 500 fans per home game (a total guess, but don't you think?) 40,000 new fans means an additional $1M/year in ticket prices alone. Factor in merchandisig, concessions, higher TV ratings, and you're looking at a considerable "Teixeira bump." I hope the number crunchers are factoring in just how much he would change the dynamic.

 

In essence, with one bold stroke (perhaps it would have to be a $200M stroke), the O's front office could clean the slate and start over. I think any lingering acrimony over the past 7-8 years would vanish overnight. People can have very short memories if there is something positive in the present to focus on. 

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you can, but it's not the same thing at all...

…as having them wander over to their grandparents’ house 2-3 times every week.

by zknower on Dec 12, 2008 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

*shrug*

I really think if players were worried about this kind of thing we would see more hometown discounts, which we just don’t see that much.

Cal is the exception, not the rule. And he was still paid quite handsomely for his era.

by pipkin on Dec 12, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am willing...

I am willing to stop killing puppies if Teixeira signs with the Orioles.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Dec 12, 2008 4:58 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Hmm

we may have a problem. I was going to START killing puppies and STOP killing kittens. Here we go again just spinning wheels.

Always trust your cape. -Guy Clark

by BPinOK on Dec 12, 2008 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'll punch kittens for Teixeira

Just let me know :)

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Dec 13, 2008 3:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is instant cred

but ask the Tigers if the Miguel Cabrera cred was worth it?

You can cover up some organizational screwups but not all of them with one signing and no matter how great Tex is, pitching matters first-ask Tom Hicks and Arod.

I would love to sign him but I think Andy Macphail had let Tex and Burnett know if they needed fallbacks we were here but we werent going to jeopardize the Andy MacPhail blueprint. To early in the reorg to get off course. I think Andy also realizes he cant lose Peter’s confidence to early in his reorg either so he more or less decided to pass.

by sanders833 on Dec 12, 2008 5:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yes the Tigers

spent like drunken sailors last year, brought in big names and traded away some great prospects to win it all. Instead, they finished last…… all this with the second or third largest payroll. I hope the O’s won’t go there and keep building for the future.

I just dont think signing Tex brings the O’s much for the $$$ spent. Yes, it means another rough year, but down the road there could be lots of wins for a long time. Unlike Detroit, the O’s will not have spent themselves into a corner and traded away the future. When the solid young core is in place go get FA’s and spend lots of money and win it all. But, with the core they have they couldn’t do that now unless they want a payroll like the Stankees….. and no future prospects.

"The main idea is to win"-John McGraw

by Orioles 1894 on Dec 13, 2008 8:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Given the fact that 28 year-old, homegrown, switch-hitting Gold Glove first basemen don’t come around too often, I am willing to donate to the Orioles $2500.00 per year for the duration of any contract the Orioles enter into with Mark Teixeira. While I understand that this is pittance compared to any contract Mr. Teixeira may sign, it is hoped that this gesture illustrates the importance of Mr. Teixeira to the Orioles and to Oriole fans.

I hate these silly proclamations. This dude won’t donate crap and he know he won’t donate crap if the O’s sign Texiera.

by birdman on Dec 12, 2008 5:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He's smart because he KNOWS

we won’t end up with Teixera

"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"

by exitfare on Dec 12, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great quote

People can have very short memories if there is something positive in the present to focus on.

Sounds what it’s like to be an Eagles fan. Our memories are so short that opinions can change within the same quarter.

"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"

by exitfare on Dec 12, 2008 5:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'll gladly kill anyone

if it means signing Tex.

But donating $2500 to the Os? Not a chance.

"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008

Adam Jones is the tits.

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 12, 2008 5:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

haha

well put

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Dec 12, 2008 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MFK

Is this when we start playing Marry, F***, Kill?

by blawk359 on Dec 12, 2008 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Diamond Dave says it ain't ova'

Says Roch, “Orioles manager Dave Trembley, calling into the Hot Stove Show tonight on MASN, said he is convinced that the team is still in the running to sign Mark Teixeira.”

I have a pounding headache and I blame this offseason…primarily Capn’ Crunch Sabathia. and Apple Jacks Burnett.

by Dr Orpheus on Dec 13, 2008 12:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

those nicknames will stick, mainly because everyone, well mostly everyone enjoys cereal.. welll i know i do.

What up?

by snakethejake on Dec 13, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

8 years for a 29 year old.

is very very risky. The Red Sox got away with it on Manny although he was really heading for “three off years” until the trade. Arod worked and I think Miquel Cabrera will work since he was only 26.

As for Tex, it should be fine for five or six years and the last couple of years will probably show decline. Plus, this makes for a good excuse not to resign Vlad to a long term deal after 2009.

Players with this skill set rarely hit the market in their prime, esp position players since they are less risky in terms of injuries.

Still it looks like if someone wants to clearly get above the crowd-9 years? In the realm of common sense, eight years is probably one to many but there are teams willing and able to pay it.

As for the O’s its back to just trying to fill in the holes with league average at best until we are ready to compete. Lets hope teams like NY spend themselves into a hole, Boston gets old and Tampa somehow runs out of young freaking talent. Tampa, Florida and Minn have to strike you as well run franchises. Sometimes when you cant spend, you keep yourself out of trouble and realize you have to scout better, trade better, and take free agent risks on a Carlos Pena, Jorge Cantu, Dallas Mcpherson, etc. Its where I think Andy is going but we are still three years away from seeing the organization have more prospects on the rise. Most likely the O’s should have a draft pick between 5-9 for the next three years, we know our top four prospects are the deepest in baseball, but we need some development from that next group. That is what I would really love to see this year-Erbe, Hernandez, Patton, Olsen, Liz-two of those guys become real players. Then I could get excited.

O’s fans will be looking at the minors more then the major league team this year. Its where our hopes lie and that Andy can be as effective as the GM’s in Tampa and Florida have been.

by sanders833 on Dec 13, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Excellent insights....

As O’s fans all we have are future hopes. I am hoping Andy can emulate what what he did and what is being done in Minnesota. When players leave they just plug in young talent and just keep going.

Your analysis I really like for you put in words exactly what I am thinking about the O’s. The O’s don’t need a big FA just yet, for its money spent that will not change the outcome of this season. Spend when the solid young core is there and go for it all.

I know it requires a couple of more seasons of suffering, but if Andy can do what he has done before it is going to be worth it. I can’t wait till this team is in the hunt again and the year they pound the Yanks and Red Sox into submission will be something none of us will ever forget. But, till then, we go through the pains of rebuilding.

"The main idea is to win"-John McGraw

by Orioles 1894 on Dec 14, 2008 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It will be impossible

to spend the Yankees into a hole. It can’t be done.

Have you SEEN the ticket prices they are charging for the new stadium?

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 14, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The average fan can't go to a Yanks game and get decent seats....

Not with those ticket prices!!! If one wants to sit a mile away in the bleachers its $12. But others such as field level go from $75-325. Main level go from $45-$75, Upper Deck go for $40-$65 and Upper Deck GrandStand $20-$25. While some prices are reasonable, they are a mile away. One source is:
http://waswatching.com/2008/08/29/yanks-set-2009-season-ticket-prices/

The O’s will never have the money to compete with these guys, but if they get a good solid core of good young players they can get some FA’s to fill in the other places and go for it all. But, they need that core first…… Hopefully Andy brings that core together in the next 2-3 years.

"The main idea is to win"-John McGraw

by Orioles 1894 on Dec 14, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't

tell my current boss that an 8-year deal is bad for a 29 year old. I’ll never get promoted.

by blawk359 on Dec 14, 2008 9:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OH Rumor

Has Teixeira comirng to the Ravens game today as a guest of Peter Angelos. That may mean nothing, but Roy Firestone is also hearing something about Tex taking a physical on Monday.

We shall see…

by dkdc on Dec 14, 2008 8:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

well I read all that stuff

and it seems like a total pipedream. who are these rumor mongers? are they reliable? the community there seems to think so, but I have no frame of reference. I HOPE it’s true, but…really?

"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008

Adam Jones is the tits.

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 14, 2008 9:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Roy Firestone

Is this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Firestone

He’s the guy who made Cuba Gooding, Jr cry in Jerry McGuire. He’s a pretty reliable person with sources inside the organization.

Some of the other guys seem to have good sources, but they seem to hear what they want to hear sometimes, so I don’t consider them all that reliable.

by dkdc on Dec 14, 2008 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do we believe the guy on OH saying he’s Roy Firestone IS Roy Firestone, though?

I mean, I’m Peter Schmuck.

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Dec 14, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WNST actually sent a text alert

with the “Tex at the game as a guest of Angelos” info.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 14, 2008 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you really want the guy

Is it really best to have Peter Angelos wine and dine him??? I’ve never met the man, but I don’t get warmth and personality from him. I kind of get the feeling of Mr. Potter from “It’s a Wonderful Life”.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 14, 2008 10:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actually...

he’s supposedly very charming in person. remember: he is worth a mint by virtue of being a class a litigator. you don’t become a class a litigator w/o getting juries to buy into your jive and they generally don’t buy in unless you connect w/ them.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Dec 14, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At some point....

PGA is gonna lean over and say, “What is it gonna take to get this done?”

And Tex will give the number & years.

And PGA will either decide to do it or not.

Today might be a very eventful day for this franchise, and we won’t know for a while.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 14, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My guess is that Boras is either going to be sitting right over their shoulder the entire game, or Scott has made it crystal clear that they do not talk contracts.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 14, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's fine, too

Make the whole process speed up.

Scott will say, 10 for 200. If PGA says yes, we have a new 1B. Scott is desperate to meet that 10/200 number he floated during the summer, I bet.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 14, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahha - Lot's of irony here

Bring Tex to a Raven’s game so he can see a team that Baltimore goes bonkers over. Introduce him to Phelps, who will tell him how how great it is to be a Raven’s fan. As for that shitty franchise in Baltimore, well, uh, it could be this way if you come back Tex. We promise!

by drj on Dec 14, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and now Roch weighs in and says that PGA

is definitely not there, and if Tex is there, he’s not ‘meeting’ with anyone. I mostly WANTED to believe and was awaiting confirmation. Still, to see it get picked up by many sources…

There must be something wrong with the world if the models of journalist integrity, consistency, and reliability are Roch and Schmuck.

"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008

Adam Jones is the tits.

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 14, 2008 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sometimes

where there is smoke there is fire….

someone call Adam Jones, he will tell the truth…

by sanders833 on Dec 14, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh...I don't mean to be all rainbows and sunshine

and be too optimistic, because this could still all be bullshit and I won’t believe it till I SEE something…BUT…Comcast Sports Net and ESPN have now apparently BOTH reported that Tex will be at the Ravens game as a guest of Peter G.

Is this really happening? It can’t be, right? This has got to be nonsense…pinch me.

"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008

Adam Jones is the tits.

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 14, 2008 11:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

He's definitely going to be at the game

That doesn’t mean anything more than the O’s are trying to sign him and it probably means that we are still in the running. Wouldn’t read that much mroe into it than that.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 14, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

PA: OK so, 7/145 and season tickets to Ravens games

The Yankees get Sabathia, the Mets get K-rod, and the Orioles get Ryan Freel.

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 14, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey, I'd sign for that.

I mean, Ravens tix? Gotta be decent seats, though.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 14, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take Ravens seats

over Redskins seats

"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"

by exitfare on Dec 16, 2008 12:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is anyone else

Gonna be rooting for the Ravens extra-extra hard today?

“If we win, Tex will be more likely to sign, with a division-leading National Football League Team playing right next door”

Delusions, delusions…

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Dec 14, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be rooting for the Steelers, personally

I have nothing against the Ravens, but Pitt is my second favorite team.

by dkdc on Dec 14, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I should've holded my horses anyway

Roch just denied the Ravens game rumor.

The stock market will never recover, our armies will never again be #1, and our children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives - HST

by the fix is in on Dec 14, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice

OH strikes again…

by dkdc on Dec 14, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

eh, since when was Roch

a reliable source?

I agree that he is probably more reliable than the OH folks…but ESPN has reported it, Comcast Sportsnet has reported it, and Schmuck has said “I can’t confirm it,” but not denied it.

"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008

Adam Jones is the tits.

by KenDixonFanClub on Dec 14, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what really worries me about not getting Tex

is that this is the next crop of free agent firstbasemen

Carlos Delgado NYM
Ross Gload * KC
Aubrey Huff BAL
Nick Johnson WAS
Adam LaRoche PIT
Robb Quinlan LAA
Matt Stairs TOR

this is a pretty underwhelming group.

So it seems like we are going to have to sign Tex, or get creative with trades.

by ItsBenFeldman on Dec 14, 2008 9:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Adrian Gonzalez anyone

I suspect he could be had…but he wont come cheap in terms of talent.

by sanders833 on Dec 14, 2008 9:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt that trade would happen

simply because he’s from San Diego and I’ve read that he’s the one guy they want to sign long-term and be a corner stone. Can blame the Padres for that. The guy is incredible.
Also, his brother finally made it to the majors and they seemed to have some contest last year, “anything you can do, I can do better”.

by Dr Orpheus on Dec 14, 2008 11:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Still he is a free agent in two years and

his incentive to stay is going to be…..San Diego is a beautiful town.

by sanders833 on Dec 15, 2008 2:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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