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Teixeira to Orioles—your ongoing rumor thread

Apparently the O's aren't willing to up their offer believed to be in the 7 year, 150M range (as stated here by Buster Oiney and his "sources"). With every other team in play (the nats, angels, and sawx) offering at least an extra year and 10M on top of that, it seems the O's would have to get a big time home team discount to land Mr. Teixeira (not usually a good bet when dealing with Boras). Of course, this is only to be believed if you believe Olney. Guess we shall see...

UPDATE: I am bumping this up front because the other Teixeira thread is already 80+ comments and two news cycles old. And this is obviously the most newsworthy topic for the O's until it gets resolved. That said, I still think Olney is a hack, per this discussion in the other thread. -zk

UPDATE #2 (Wed, 3:08 EST): MacPhail indicates "flexibility", per The Sun:

Although the Orioles have not upped their initial offer to free-agent first baseman and Maryland native Mark Teixeira, the possibility remains that they will, according to the club's top official.

"We have indicated before that we have flexibility," Orioles president Andy MacPhail said today. "I don't think anyone expects [Teixeira's agent Scott Boras] to lean over and accept the first proposal."

UPDATE #3 (Thurs, 6:35 EST): The Sox are reportedly meeting with Boras tonight (see this thread).

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What team do you absolutely NOT want to see Teixeira end up with?
Sawx
141 votes
Gnats
38 votes
Yanks
84 votes
Angels
5 votes
O's
18 votes

286 votes | Poll has closed

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I second that....

I’m tired about hearing about the Sawx. Although I admire their sticking to their old traditional ballpark, I have Sawx overload and I think many other ppl may be feeling the same.

"The main idea is to win"-John McGraw

by Orioles 1894 on Dec 17, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stanks

Because Tex is a bigger upgrade for them than he would be for PHN. They have Youk/Lowell/Ortiz, so I don’t see where adding a big bat/hot glove at 1B is a priority.

And PHN might have trouble absorbing that as a bad contract. MFY has infinite cubic money and can shake it off if he gets injured/starting batting .220.

The Yankees get Sabathia, the Mets get K-rod, and the Orioles get Ryan Freel.

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 17, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I screwed up.

For some reason I flashed White Sox and voted Yankees.

Had I known better, I’d have voted Boston.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 18, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

???

Olney’s report that we never upped our offer doesn’t jibe with the report the other day that all 4 remaining teams had upped their offers to 8 years.

I get the distinct impression that nobody knows what the hell is going on.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Dec 17, 2008 11:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah

that report doesnt make any sense to me. espn just reported that all the teams upped there offer. Why would they have reported that texiera might be coming through charm city one day and then tell us we are out the next. we wouldnt be in this discussion if we hadnt upped the offer. makes no sense

by semaj2989 on Dec 17, 2008 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

b/c

they don’t know. they’re just trying to get hits and viewers. No one knows.

by blawk359 on Dec 17, 2008 8:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he doesn't go to the O's, I'd prefer he goes to the Nats

That way we wouldn’t have to see him and if he manages to make more people watch Nats games, all the better for MASN.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Dec 17, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Petey Angelos and others in baltimore will be fuming, but him going to the Nats is the best possible scenario for the O’s. Some people will just have to swallow their pride a bit.

by UMterp08 on Dec 17, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

PGA won't fume for long

It will make him money – remember, he gets more than half of teh Nats TV rights, which will appreciate in value if Tex signs there.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 17, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll probably be fuming too

Though its better than the Red Sox or Yankees. Besides, everybody’s too obsessed with the Redskins down here to notice. Why can’t he just go to a sweet NL team like the Brewers or Reds? Just keep telling us Bud how there is competitive balance in Baseball when the Red Sox could back up Mark Teixeira with Kevin Youkilis?

Its like the friggin English Premier League.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Dec 18, 2008 12:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

7 years at $150M seems to be more than competitive comparedc to 8 years at $160M. I really don’t see Olney’s point here.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 17, 2008 11:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

PHN

If he goes to Boston, I’ll never hear the end of it from my neighbor.

I say the Nats. If he’s going somewhere other than Baltimore, make it a National League team.

by blawk359 on Dec 17, 2008 11:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes Tex....

Go to the National League…… please…..

"The main idea is to win"-John McGraw

by Orioles 1894 on Dec 17, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Olney...
The only chance the Orioles can be considered a serious player for Teixeira now, sources say, would be if the Maryland native were to take Baltimore’s offer.

Now that’s informative.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 17, 2008 11:40 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

At least he's a reponsible journalist

He apparently couldn’t support that nugget with his own analysis, so he found a source to confirm it.

by dkdc on Dec 17, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way

If Olney ever needs a source to confirm another tautology, I’m happy to be that guy.

by dkdc on Dec 17, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That might be

one of the dumbest sentences I’ve ever read by a major baseball writer. And I used to think highly of Buster’s work.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 17, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s always been one of my favorites on ESPN. He’s a nice balance between the sabermetric guys and some of the traditional baseball analysis. But that was a doozy of an article. Actually, the paragraph after the paragraph I posted above is nearly as bad:

“The Orioles are out of it, unless Teixeira really, really wants to play there,” said one source.

Isn’t that exactly where we’ve been all along???

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 17, 2008 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he's really pretty anti-sabermetric

I remember he wrote a blog post where he considered himself “old school.” Just because he’s willing to use OBP does not a stathead make.

But that’s fine if his writing is otherwise still useful. I just think Buster decided he wants to be a well-known TV personality rather than a top notch sportswriter. It’s hard to blame him, really. And he’s not alone. Kornheiser fell prey to the urge. Rosenthal did. Even Gammons mostly just writes hack columns these days. It’s tough to get paid by the sanctimony-mongers at ESPN and appeal to the better angels of our natures, too. I have no use for Buster Olney anymore, that I know for sure.

Part of it might not even be his fault. He’s a symbol, to me, of the new, worse Baseball Tonight. It may not be fault that he’s saddled with John Kruk, but he is. Tim Kurkjian, despite being a Terp, has also lost some luster due to the new, loudmouth lout, format.

by pipkin on Dec 17, 2008 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn’t try to say he was a sabermetric, just saying he was somewhere in between the saber guys like Law and Neyer and the completely clueless guys like Morgan and Kruk.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 17, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

you’re right on that. I dunno…the guy just rubs me the wrong way. Maybe my tastes have changed and he hasn’t, but still.

by pipkin on Dec 17, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The source's quote

makes a hell of a lot more sense than Olney’s analysis.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 17, 2008 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t that exactly where we’ve been all along???

By itself, the quote is silly. You have to place it context of the first sentence of the story (“Unless free agent Mark Teixeira is willing to give the Orioles a major hometown discount, it does not appear he will be playing in Baltimore,”). And that first sentence is pretty much the point of the entire story with stuff written after it to make some word quota. As I said elsewhere, this is Andy’s attempt to say, “We can’t outbid the Red Sox. If want to come home to play, you’ll need to leave money on the table.”

by birdman on Dec 17, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Him coming to the Orioles has always been dependent on Teix giving preference and a hometown discount to the Orioles. That was known 6 months ago.

And really, I don’t see how the Orioles bid as reported is any less attractive than the others being reported, let alone requiring Tex to take a major hometown discount. 7 at $150M is as good or better than 8 for $160M.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 17, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

you’d have to think he could get more than $10 million at age 35, if he’s still any good. It’s a gamble I’d be willing to take, personally.

by pipkin on Dec 17, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

also,

as i stated somehwere else, $10M out of $150M is a little less than 7% of the overall contract. Would you give up 7% of your salary to live where you want to live?

At some level it really isn’t about money. You are about to make a fortune—literally, a fortune—and you and everyone in your family will be set for the rest of your lives, as will your subsequent generations. No matter which team you sign with, this will be the case.

Now: what else is important to you? And in what order?

by zknower on Dec 17, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Now: what else is important to you? And in what order?

I know this sounds fucked up, but for a lot of Boras players, it’s money first, where I want to live second. After living in a city that I hated, I’d happily take less money to live in a desireable place, but that’s just me.

by birdman on Dec 17, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boras doesn’t dictate what’s important to his clients, his clients dictate to Boras what’s important to them.

Boras works for Tex; not the other way around.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 17, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, and there’s usually, but not always, a shared interest between Boras and his clients. Beltran was willing to take less money to play for the Yanks. Andruw Jones took less money to play for the Braves. But these are unusual cases. I don’t know what Tex is like, but if I was forced to guess, he’s going after the MOST money.

by birdman on Dec 17, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Him coming to the Orioles has always been dependent on Teix giving preference and a hometown discount to the Orioles. That was known 6 months ago.

RE: hometown discount. Well, it’s certainly something everybody thought but it was hardly concrete. Let’s put this way, PLENTY of things that seemed just as true six months ago turned out to be false today. I mean it was widely known that Sabathia wanted to play for a CA team six months ago… just to give one example.

And really, I don’t see how the Orioles bid as reported is any less attractive than the others being reported, let alone requiring Tex to take a major hometown discount. 7 at $150M is as good or better than 8 for $160M..

Boras goes after most money possible first. If he can’t win that battle, then he tries to get the best annual average salary. Unfortunately, $10M is perceived a huge deal by team Boras. It’s BS but that’s reality.

by birdman on Dec 17, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know if I agree with that at all. Boras goes after the best deal; and with Tex still being in 20’s, 7 years at $21.5M/year is at least as good as 8 years at $20M/year.

I actually agree mostly with OEOutlaws comment above. Nobody knows what the fuck is going on right now and pretty much every article is complete BS. There are unnamed sources saying that he’ll go to each team, so we know nothing.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 17, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boras goes after the best deal;

Yes, and I think Boras ranks overall money higher than AA salary… not 100% about this but I’m pretty sure.

I actually agree mostly with OEOutlaws comment above. Nobody knows what the fuck is going on right now and pretty much every article is complete BS. There are unnamed sources saying that he’ll go to each team, so we know nothing.

Oh yes, completely agree with this. Everything is just speculation on who’s leaking what and for what purpose.

by birdman on Dec 17, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I had to read that quote twice to make sure I understood it right..... LOL

okay, where do I put a application in to work at that place. Talk about easy street! Jeesh!

"The main idea is to win"-John McGraw

by Orioles 1894 on Dec 17, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What's more unbelievable...

that the Orioles actually thought they had a chance at Tex, or that other teams actually want D-cabs?

Kevbo: [to George Sherrill] George, you look a lot like Vin Diesel...

Flatbill: Let's get somethin' straight... Vin Diesel looks like me.

-From "The Making of Orioles Magic"

by dayzd toe on Dec 17, 2008 12:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Signing with the Nats...

…would be a real kick in the pants as it would mean things like being on a good team don’t matter. Which if true should make him sign with the Orioles. I can at least understand why he’d sign with the Red Sox, Yankees or Angels…

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Dec 17, 2008 12:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

can’t vote twice, but the gnats and janks would be my votes

What up?

by snakethejake on Dec 17, 2008 12:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well said!!

I love Teix, but c’mon. I know he and Scotty are holding out on a decision in an attempt to up the price, but damn, I can’t take much more of this speculation and nonsense from dorky shits like Buster Olney.

by sickuvitall on Dec 17, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And here's how bullshit rumors get started on teh interwebz

That bastion of journalistic integrity, MVN.com (most valuable network) now has a post up saying, Yankees Have Officially Passed on Teixeira". Of course, MVN is just a blog, but that doesn’t keep it from showing up in Google news searches.

The source for this blockbusting news is the SAME OLNEY ARTICLE referenced above.

So in essence,

1. Olney says the Yankees “are not seriously engaged in the Teixeira talks at this point.”.

2. Mad blogger Brian Lestz says, “OMG UPDATE! The Yankees have officially passed on Teixeira d00dz!”, giving new meaning to words “officially” and “passed”.

I know, I know, just wait until the dust settles. But it’s really getting hard to separate the wheat from the chaff out there.

by zknower on Dec 17, 2008 1:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm happy

That we don’t have any reporters who openly try to relay information in an attempt to break stories. This site is awesome in that it is simply pragmatic discussion of our team.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Dec 17, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man

I feel bad for the people at Orioles Hangout who actually buy into the rumors even though the “insiders” are wrong on so many issues. I’m sure they’re just trying to pass on honest information, but the site is very unreliable.

In my opinion, Teixiera is going to go to Boston. 7/150 from the O’s is comical; MacPhail clearly did not want to load up on such a large contract. Good for Andy.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Dec 17, 2008 2:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I believe that the OH insiders do have legit information. The problem is that to many people on there twist it or take as absolute fact (just because the O’s want to make a trade doesn’t mean the other team will accept). I like to look over the board for the insider info, but reading much past it is very annoying.

Also if its true that the O’s are not going to go past 7/150, I’ll be kind of happy. That means MacPhail set a maximum price and any more would be “overpaying”. My biggest fear was that we would sign Tex and then not have enough money to make other much needed moves. I’m glad to see that MacPhail wasn’t going to let that happen.

by edsachs1 on Dec 17, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

believe that the OH insiders do have legit information.

Not in Roberts case from last year. And not if they are saying that Tex has signed with us. That’s not legit information. That’s straight up misinformation.

by birdman on Dec 17, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BPinOK to Orioles "unlikely"

The only chance BPinOK can be considered a serious player for the 3B position for the Orioles would be if the Orioles offered him a contract.

Always trust your cape. -Guy Clark

by BPinOK on Dec 17, 2008 2:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wonderful satire

Tautological reasoning never gets Buster anywhere

by sickuvitall on Dec 17, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Macphail indicates "flexibility"

putting all this other talk to rest. There’s still stuff goin’ on, obviously.

From The Sun:

Although the Orioles have not upped their initial offer to free-agent first baseman and Maryland native Mark Teixeira, the possibility remains that they will, according to the club’s top official.

“We have indicated before that we have flexibility,” Orioles president Andy MacPhail said today. “I don’t think anyone expects [Teixeira’s agent Scott Boras] to lean over and accept the first proposal.”

by zknower on Dec 17, 2008 3:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Clssic MacPhail

You don’t see many outright denials from him. But he doesn’t telegraph his moves, either. This guy is good. Read those two sentences – it leaves room for him to move the offer SOME, but not necessarily to what Boras wants. And it admits the reality that negotiations take time, while making his own glacier pace seem reasonable in comparison.

This guy is GOOD. I’m glad he’s working for us!

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 17, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

seriously...

reading an interview w/ him is like seeing a candidate being interviewed on meet the press.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Dec 17, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Similar to how he played the Ms last off season

even though that was a trade rather than a FA deal.

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on Dec 17, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly...

…this poor excuse for an article kind of makes me think that Teixeira really, actually, truly does want to play here. Reason being, the only possible point of publishing something like this is to get the O’s to up their offer. Otherwise why make such a stink?

I would imagine there’s some quid pro quo going on with Boras and Olney and this article is serving Boras’ purposes, which is to milk more money out of us.

by Jonny Pops on Dec 17, 2008 3:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I kind of think that Buster may have gone out boozing last night, woke up a half hour before a deadline, and just completely made up a bunch of nonsensical statements from a bunch of unnamed sources.

That’s about the only thing I can figure here.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 17, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows, but if I had to make a guess

I’d say you’re right. MacPhail’s retort in the Sun makes it seem likely that the leak to Olney didn’t come from him but from Boras as a way to light a fire under the O’s. Either Tex has decided on us and Boras is trying to get a little more or he’s just playing everyone off each other, trying to get the best deal from any team.

by silverstadium on Dec 17, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Either Tex has decided on us and Boras is trying to get a little more or he’s just playing everyone off each other, trying to get the best deal from any team.

If Tex has decided to whatever is the highest offer from us, Boras would not be planting stories to Olney suggesting it’s going to take a hometown discount to sign his client.

by birdman on Dec 17, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Flexibility

Assuming that our offer is 7/145…we don’t know how many years are guaranteed, but the entry point is about $15M for the first season and escalating at 10% to $27M for the 7th. Then you’re looking at $30M for an 8th season, which gets you to 8/175, which is supposedly what PHN offered. $30M for the 9th season gives you 9/200.

So what if our 7/145 had these last 2 years tacked on as club options, plus give Tex an opt out after 3 years? If we still sucked then, he’d take his $50M, hit the market at 32, and go make ridiculous money somewhere else.

I certainly wouldn’t guarantee that kind of money to anyone in their mid-late 30s. I don’t think anyone else not named Steinbrenner would either. [cue past examples]

The Yankees get Sabathia, the Mets get K-rod, and the Orioles get Ryan Freel.

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 17, 2008 4:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't offer an opt out after 3 years

Remember, our time frame is reasonably 2011 now. A 3 year opt out means he leaves just as we are supposed to start getting good. Opt-out no earlier than 4.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 17, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK

The 4th year would be worth $20M, so make it 4/70 player option.

I forgot to add that he made $12.5 this year.

The Yankees get Sabathia, the Mets get K-rod, and the Orioles get Ryan Freel.

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 17, 2008 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the real bif news, though...

is that the o’s are looking at ole baseknock bako. on that note, i humbly refer you to a brilliant piece of sports journalism:

http://www.royalsreview.com/story/2007/4/12/0309/48001

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Dec 17, 2008 4:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That really *was* good-- that guy should be an O's fan!

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Dec 17, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

http://masnsports.com/2008/12/todays-macphail-comments-on-te.html

Andy on Tex with Melewski

"You have to discipline yourself so you don't come out with something just to say you made a trade. You have to make sure you come out better than you were before." - Andy MacPhail, 7/31/08

by getxstoked on Dec 17, 2008 5:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

nevermind.

I need to check dates on things…

"You have to discipline yourself so you don't come out with something just to say you made a trade. You have to make sure you come out better than you were before." - Andy MacPhail, 7/31/08

by getxstoked on Dec 17, 2008 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I find it interesting

that yesterday ESPN was saying Tex’s decision is close…and yet no one has any clue about where he’s going to go. There’s been a remarkable dearth of real info leaking from anyone, and so media outlets like ESPN make sure to have every possible angle covered—that way they can say “we told you so” after the fact.

It’d be the best place for him to end up besides here, but I worry about the Angels. For some reason, I see them as more likely than the Sox to offer crazy money—for one thing, they need him more—and while it’s not the East Coast, southern Cal isn’t exactly a bad place to live. They’re lying in the weeds right now, but no one saw them coming for Vlad and Torii Hunter either.

by U2boy417 on Dec 17, 2008 6:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No Angel votes?

I see. One step at a time. First take out us, then look at the other divisions. I’m not a troll, mind you, just surprised.

Well, I will appreciate for you to keep my zingers out of your mouth!

by BoSox415 on Dec 17, 2008 6:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's simple really

We only play LAAAOCCA 9 games/year, while we play the AL East 18 games/year.

And the Gnats are a threat to our fanbase, being new and right next door.

The Yankees get Sabathia, the Mets get K-rod, and the Orioles get Ryan Freel.

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 17, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea

generally its better if really good players sign outside the division then in the division

"I’m sure glad he didn’t try to bunt." - DD on Melmo's game winning double, 6/17

by daveh873 on Dec 17, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why would any of us care if the Angels get him

That might be the best-case scenario, actually, if the contract gets out of control.

by dkdc on Dec 17, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Indeed. I’d prefer a NL team that I could care less about, but if it’s going to be one of the teams rumored to be in the running, let’s see LAA take him.

by blawk359 on Dec 17, 2008 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does anybody really think he'll end up in Baltimore?

Don’t get me wrong, I’d be thrilled if he did, but does anybody really expect he will? If so, why? No one really buys that hometown discount thing, right?

Let’s see your Mark Teixeira and you’re being offered a boatload of money by the Yankees, Red Sox, and Angels. You’re being offered what will probably turn out to be considerably less money by a team that will not make the playoffs that happens to play in the area of where you grew up where free agents’ careers go to die.

I don’t see it happening. Adam Dunn would be possible because no one realizes what a great player he is, but I haven’t heard that the Orioles have any interest in him.

by yurizanow on Dec 17, 2008 8:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

honestly

i have no clue how this will turn out. like a lot of people have said, if he wants the money and if he has been offered a significant amount more than we are offering, i doubt we will see tex in an Os uniform. with that said, if we are close with an offer, you never know what tex will do.

by semaj2989 on Dec 17, 2008 8:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does anybody really think he'll end up in Baltimore?

I think we have a legit shot. We will not have a highest offer on the table but we’ll be competitive money wise. The Red Sox will offer more financially and winning wise, but I think his ties to area MAY override that. Not at all sure if it WILL, but I think it’s possible.

by birdman on Dec 17, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully for us,

the prospect of Mark getting booed in his hometown will light a fire under his ass. He knows, he signs with Boston, New York, or Washington, those boos will reign down hard on him.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Dec 18, 2008 12:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

womp womp

What up?

by snakethejake on Dec 17, 2008 10:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

laughing softly to myself

for far too long

The Yankees get Sabathia, the Mets get K-rod, and the Orioles get Ryan Freel.

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 18, 2008 1:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

If you were him, would you sign with dem Orioles? I think there are a lot of people who don’t know who the fuck Nick Markakis is, we’re that irrelevant.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Dec 18, 2008 12:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like they say back home

They’re ignernt.

This is Nick Markakis, everybody:

Pick him over Ichiro in your fantasy league.

The Yankees get Sabathia, the Mets get K-rod, and the Orioles get Ryan Freel.

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 18, 2008 1:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nick's Bowman Chrome Auto

now books for some astronomical value. Well deserved though, with or without Teix, he will shine.

by sickuvitall on Dec 18, 2008 2:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

going for about $115

The card industry ate its own tail years ago. Nothing is worth F all anymore unless it has an autograph or some piece of the guy’s jock attached to the overly glossy cardboard.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Dec 18, 2008 3:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

for real...

i can sort of understand w/ new cards b/c there are several major brands and each one has, like, 4 different “special” runs, but i got an eddie murray rookie card a little while ago for $10 and i just got an eric dickerson rookie card for $3! insanity!

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Dec 18, 2008 8:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I probably blew it by not selling my old cards back when the market was high.

However about a third of them were stolen back then and insurance paid over $3,000. So I got at least something out of them.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 18, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If I may make a rough and offensive analogy

Oriole fans who think that Teixeira are going to sign with them (unless they significantly up the amount their willing to spend) are kind of like a really fat, unattractive girl who thinks the most popular boy in school is going to somehow ask her to the prom.

by yurizanow on Dec 18, 2008 12:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I worried about that

How is LA treating you?

I’ll be done with my final exam for the semester on Friday. Jeez, who knew law school would be so difficult and time-consuming. I’m so tired I embarrassingly put “their” instead of “they’re”.

By the way, there are some Princeton students here. Some are nice, some less so. Did you eat at a supper club?

by yurizanow on Dec 18, 2008 1:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone does...

…at Princeton. It’s how their meal system works. Caste system too apparently.

by Jonny Pops on Dec 18, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice.

But not entirely true.

They’re called “eating clubs”. You don’t join until your junior year. And about 20-25% of upperclassmen forego them for a different option.

Most of them give entry by lottery. A few of them have a process called “bicker” that is similar to a fraternity rush. Actually, they are pretty much our version of fraternities, as the whole Greek system is pretty non-existent at Princeton. The difference being that we sleep on campus and eat at our “frats”, where at most colleges people sleep at their frat houses and eat elsewhere.

by zknower on Dec 18, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

That’s surprising. My sister-in-law was in one and I assumed that if she could have foregone it she would have. Is this opting out thing a new option, or was it around when you attended? – which was one year ahead of her if my memory serves.

by Jonny Pops on Dec 18, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was around then....

…but there were fewer alternatives. Apart from the eating clubs, you basically had three choices:

1) “Go independent”—Be responsible for all your own meals. Students who chose this were given a higher room-draw slot so they could get the sweet dorm rooms that had kitchens. If they didn’t get those rooms with suites, they’d have cook in common-area kitchens (which kind of sucked), eat in restaurants all the time, or live off-campus in an apartment somewhere, something very rare in Princeton (due to real estate more than anything else).

2) Sign on to one of the residential college’s meal plans—spend your two upperclass years surrounded by frosh and sophs, eating cafeteria-quality food

3) Join Hillel, the Third World Center, or some other campus organization that appealed to a specific subset of people. There were a few of these places, and they had their own meal plans. The Third World Center was supposed to be particularly good, because of the variety of cuisine.

When I was there, there were 13 eating clubs: 8 of them used the lottery and 5 used bicker. I’m betting your sister-in-law did what a lot of folks did: got together with a group of friends and did the lottery as a unit. Then the entire group would get accepted or “hosed” (as was the terminology in the late 80s) at the club of their choice. If a group didn’t get into their first choice, they’d list a second, and everyone pretty much got into their second choice club.

Nowadays the university, in an effort to combat the clubs’ influence, has many more eating facilities and good meal plan options around campus. They even have a student center, which didn’t really exist when I was there.

by zknower on Dec 18, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK so far. Quieter than I’d like, but things finally picked up a little recently. Everyone’s debating the SAG strike. And the car/weather/isolation thing is still MAJOR culture shock. But at least we’re living in a kind of Brooklyn-y neighborhood (Silver Lake).

Jeez, who knew law school would be so difficult and time-consuming. Ah ha ha ha ha! You remind me of a friend of mine who was studying for the LSAT and said, “I just don’t like doing all this reading” and I wanted to say, “DUDE, if you don’t like reading, you’re picking the wrong graduate degree.”

P’ton has its fair share of dillweeds, just like anywhere else. I imagine the alumni you’re meeting are young enough to be my children or thereabouts. I ate at Tower Club.

by zknower on Dec 18, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's rough

The writer’s strike essentially shitcanned my job last year, of course it’s different for you because you would actually be participating in it. Do you guys get strike pay? Do you ever get back to New York?

Law school is really hard and time-consuming. I knew it would be and was prepared for that, but then it turned out to be even harder and more time-consuming than I imagined. It turns out that we have more work than any other law school, one more class and larger average assignments than even the schools ranked above us. Well, I wanted a challenge.

There are a few Princeton people here who are genuinely nice, extremely smart kids. There is one in particular who is straight out of central casting for Princeton douchebag, although he is pretty smart. I asked you about the dining clubs because I was hoping you could clarify something for me that some of my classmates have been wondering. There is one kid who didn’t eat at one. We don’t know if that’s because he’s an iconoclast, vegan, or total weirdo. Which is the most likely?

You’re right, the young students are kids. I’m the third-oldest student in a class of 199, which is an awkward experience at times.

by yurizanow on Dec 18, 2008 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ha ha ha

Yes, Princeton certainly has its share of central casting douchebags.

Your one friend could have been an iconoclast or a weirdo (see my answer to JP above). There were a lot of reasons folks would forego a club: financial, social, convenience…. I’m sure it wasn’t because he’s a vegan, because I have no doubt that every club serves vegan options in this day and age.

by zknower on Dec 18, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, and re: the strike

I don’t think it’s gonna happen. I’m certainly voting against it. Our case is sound, but our leadership have screwed the pooch and our strategy is all fucked up. We should be able to get a lot more in a few years buy striking (or threatening) with the other unions instead of by ourselves. Most actors I know feel the same way.

by zknower on Dec 18, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, Let's put it this way...

The O’s are like a crappy franchise hoping that a really good free agent is somehow going to sign an extended deal when he can pick at will from better funded and better run franchises.

by drj on Dec 18, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh come on, it’s not THAT crazy. I don’t think it’s likely but it’s not far fetched.

by birdman on Dec 18, 2008 2:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

Given the situation and the other suitors, we’re sort of like the most uncool cool girl in the group thinking Señor Quarterback is going to go for us. Because, really, what’s wrong with us? WE SHOULD JUST KILL CAESAR!

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by SC on Dec 18, 2008 3:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but senor quarterback wants to play football for the U of Maryland and our dad is the head coach. Senor quarterback may have offers from better schools but he at least wants to check out the uncool girl because of her local ties.

by birdman on Dec 18, 2008 3:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One piece of advice.

He better check out the mom first. Cause if the daughter is anything like the dad, she could pork out after the first kid. (If not before.)

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 18, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, it is . . .

and it just looks sort of sad to everyone else.

I have seen no genuine indication whatsoever he has any interest he wants to play here. I have not read or heard of a single quote out of his mouth saying so. It’s just a comforting fantasy Orioles fans have fabricated with the assistance of the Baltimore Sun.

by yurizanow on Dec 18, 2008 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think the O’s are getting him; but yeah, he’s said he has interest in playing Baltimore. Said something to the effect that it would be a dream come true. I imagine he immediately got a call from Boras and told to shut the fuck up.

I don’t think he’s coming to Baltimroe and I don’t think it’s really in Baltimore’s best interest; but he definitely could end up here. Nobody but Teix and Boras really have any idea where things stand and which way he’s leaning.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Dec 18, 2008 9:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

Tex has been directly quoted numerous times saying that the idea of playing near home and specifically for the Orioles was attractive to him.

Here’s one example:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080806&content_id=3263300&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

“It’s great to hear that the fans of Baltimore want a winner, because they’re great fans. I was one of them for a long time,” said Teixeira, who was recently traded to Los Angeles from Atlanta.

Baltimore definitely has Teixeira fever, and there are countless fan sites and postings on message boards devoted to the topic. There’s even an online petition with nearly 100 signatures clamoring for him to play for the Orioles, and Teixeira said Wednesday that it’s a reflection of the Baltimore area’s rabid desire to break back into contention.

“I think it would probably be different if the Orioles had won a lot recently, but with the dominance of the Yankees and Red Sox, those fans are just hungry,” he said. "It’s always something that would be very special to me. But like I said, in a couple months, when the season’s over, I’ll sit down and make those decisions.

It’s possible (and maybe even likely) that he just said thos to maximize the number of bidders, but Tex’s interest in the Orioles isn’t being fabricated out of thin air.

I still think he’ll sign with the Red Sox.

by dkdc on Dec 18, 2008 9:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"I *was*

one of them [Os fans] for a long time. Now, I’m just a fan of money and rings." — Mark Teixeira

by blawk359 on Dec 18, 2008 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That could be

the most awesome analogy ever made.

by VB O's Guy on Dec 18, 2008 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a day late looking at this... but anyhow

It sure seems in real life that the overwhelming majority of rich athletes are hitched to lookers. Real life isn’t like the movies.

by drj on Dec 18, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that would happen....

…if the fat girl is willing to put out in ways that would make the Marquis de Sade blush.

by Chanumas on Dec 18, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're talking about the Gnats here, right?

The Yankees get Sabathia, the Mets get K-rod, and the Orioles get Ryan Freel.

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 18, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seen our infield options lately?

It just might be us.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 18, 2008 6:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's driving me crazy

Refreshing the same 3 or 4 websites for days, scanning for news that I expect to be bad is starting to get to me. I’m a slave to the Tex signing madness, badly in need of an intervention.

by Dingbat Charlie on Dec 18, 2008 11:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ditto to Dingbat

I should be studying for finals!!!!! Make me study, Tex, sign with B’more

by Timmy L. on Dec 18, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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