2009 First Base: It's fan-tastic!
Pitching and catching remain the biggest needs for the Baltimore Orioles, but there are some questions to be answered at first base as well according to the Baltimore Sun.The club could install Aubrey Huff, who started 23 games at first last year, as the team's everyday first baseman. They also have had trade discussions to fill the vacancy, with the Texas Rangers' Hank Blalock among their targets. Kevin Millar, their everyday first baseman last season, Eric Hinske, Doug Mientkiewicz and Sean Casey are among the free-agent options. Slugger Adam Dunn, who has hit 40 or more home runs for five straight seasons, is also a free-agent option, though his price would probably have to come down significantly for the Orioles to get involved in the bidding.
"We did not allow this to sidetrack our other endeavors," MacPhail said. "We're focusing on our pitching and catching primarily at this point."
Pitching = Mark Hendrickson
Catching = totally unimportant, find someone that can handle the position defensively and hopefully hit his weight until you bring Wieters up
It disgusts me that we're talking about Kevin Millar (.234/.323/.394), Hank Blalock (.287/.338/.508 in 65 games), Eric Hinske (.247/.333/.465), Doug f***ing Mientkiewicz (.277/.374/.379 in 225 AB) and Sean motherf***ing Casey (.322/.381/.392 in 199 AB) as everyday first base options for 2009, while we say that Adam Dunn (.236/.386/.513, and healthy as a horse every single year) is "too expensive" in a butt ugly free agent market where he's really not that pricey at all.
It's astounding the lack of progress we're making on the free agent front. The eggs are almost entirely in the farm system basket -- we're counting on ALL of these guys to pan out, basically, if this is the sort of free agent player the O's are going to be under MacPhail. The offer to Teixeira was a joke -- let's call a spade a spade there. They put in an offer and never budged on it for the sake of a public that was in love with the idea of Maryland-born Mark Teixeira coming to crack the code and save us. We were never in the running. The Royals could've made the same offer if they'd felt like it.
I know you have to patch holes, but you'll have to forgive me if I don't have a firm belief in ANY front office at the Warehouse. I'm trusting Andy MacPhail, but it's a cautious trust. The problem I'm seeing is this division is not going to get worse any time soon. The Yankees are going to make a load of money every year and spend it on the team. The Red Sox develop and spend at the same time, and do both quite effectively. The Rays have a lot of years left on that team, probably, and a front four of Scott Kazmir, Matt Garza, James Shields and David Price could be terrifying for many, many seasons.
2009 is another fifth place finish. We all know that. And I've said before that saying rebuilding is OK is one thing -- watching rebuilding happen, the struggle of it all and the seemingly futile daily grind, is another thing entirely. It wasn't pretty to watch after a while last year. It won't be pretty this year, either.
What past that? These young players (Jones, Wieters, Tillman, Matusz, Arrieta especially) have to work out. If they don't, then a whole lot of other guys who are worse bets at becoming impact players have to work out. That's hard, man. And if the team doesn't win or doesn't expand its budget, free agents still aren't going to come here.
I've had this feeling burrowing in my gut for this entire offseason. I don't really like the direction we're headed, and it's not even so much the direction or MacPhail's vision. Developing young talent is not THE ONLY THING that has to drastically change under Dandy Andy's watch. The buck doesn't stop there. If the franchise thinks it does, another decade of this mess is on the horizon.
Yeah, I know.
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Dunn
I really think we should have been going for him the whole time. He’s just about on Teixeira’s level, but should be significantly cheaper. We could have had him signed or at least had a significant lead on him, had we focused on him while other teams were competing for Tex.
by edsachs1 on
Dec 27, 2008 12:25 AM EST
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eh
I dont think that would give an advantage really. Usually the best players sign first and that sets the market for the other players. So his agent probably would have had him wait until now anyways and really the best offer (including location/money/etc.) will win out in the end.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on
Dec 27, 2008 1:24 AM EST
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Rays
I wouldn’t worry about Garza, Kazmir, and Shields. Tampa won’t be able to afford them in a few years. Course, they’ll be playing for the Sox and Yanks then.
Pitching, defense and three run homers
by Desert O on
Dec 27, 2008 12:50 AM EST
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My question for the Ray's is
Can they get a fanbase with the few great years they have ahead. If they are a legit world series contender for the next 3-4 years, can they develop a fanbase to then support the signing of their top level players
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on
Dec 27, 2008 1:27 AM EST
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Ask the Floida Marlins
how well that worked out for them.
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by duck on
Dec 27, 2008 10:09 AM EST
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The Marlins
Were never WS contenders for multiple years running. They would contend/win for a year or two and then burn the motherfucker down and start over. Their GM team is prett admirable for the ownership bullshit they have to put up with.
So all I’m saying is, if the Rays make the playoffs for 3-4 years straight, that’s different than the Marlins and could inspire an actual fanbase.
by punkrawka on
Dec 27, 2008 10:25 AM EST
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The Marlins win...
Then they break up the team. Can you get behind that? A lot of the local fans in Miami area are bitter with the Marlins. One of my friends, who is a die hard Marlin fan, says they “compete then delete.”
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on
Dec 27, 2008 12:33 PM EST
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I don't ever see a Florida team being able to generate
a sizeable enough fan base to compete with teams like Boston, New York, Atlanta, Chicago, etc.
There are too many competing activities for the entertainment dollar down there. It’s one reason baseball is somewhat limited up here in the NW. During baseball season too many people are out enjoying themselves, at the beach, in the mountains (you can ski into August), wind surfing in the Gorge, fishing, etc.
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by timg56 on
Dec 30, 2008 12:36 PM EST
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A big infrastructure question for the Rays relates to their fan base-building chances: Can they lose The Trop?
It’s a crummy venue, and everybody knows it. They almost worked a deal earlier this year for a new park, but it fell through at the very end.
I’m rooting for them to get this done, not least becuase I’ll be rooting for them to win the division (etc.) for the next few years. Er, to finish second behind us, I mean.
Yeah, you’re right, I’m on drugs.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on
Dec 27, 2008 4:17 PM EST
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The Trop isn't crummy.
Have you ever been to a game there? A dome in FL is a great idea, during the summer months it can rain on and off throughout a day. The Trop can also be VERY loud when you have 40,000 plus fans rooting for the home team.
The Trop has a lease on it until 2020. The vote was stopped mainly by left-winged old folks that didn’t want construction in the downtown area.
When I first moved to Tampa, I thought the Trop was a hanger, but over the years there has been a 180 degree change.
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on
Dec 27, 2008 4:47 PM EST
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All I can say is I'm glad you like it. And I can't argue with the new-park movement. Excelsior.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on
Dec 27, 2008 6:08 PM EST
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Shields is probably going to stay in Tampa Bay for a while.
And to answer the question on the fan base: The Rays have only existed since ’98. We like in a town where the Yankees have a spring training. So why would a community suffer with the Rays when they claim glory with the Yankees? To make matters worst you have the Red Sox holding spring training 2 hours away in Fort Myers.
It’s easy for cities like Baltimore, New York, Boston, to poke fun at our fan base. You guys have had your clubs for generations. Tampa Bay has had their club for going on 12 years. When the times are bad for the Orioles, you can latch on to your “winning years” and know it will get better. Tampa Bay, until this year, didn’t have any “winning years.” Around this area come June the local media would start to talk about Buccaneer football, not the Rays going into the All-star break. I mean we even have local broadcast of Yankees games on the radio. This town can, and will be a Tampa Bay Rays town.
The Fan base will come around. How do I know this? I have been living in Tampa since ’99 and I have seen with the Bucs, the Lightning, and USF athletics.
The Tampa Bay area is 75% transplants. The area will rally around the Rays, don’t you folks worry about that.
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on
Dec 27, 2008 12:30 PM EST
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I hope so.
You are correct on the timeline impact. And having a winning team can do wonders for building a fan base. Seattle was rather ho hum about the Mariners until they got good, leading to approval for Safco Field. It will be interesting to see what happens up here if management doesn’t turn things around again. They’ve been underperforming the past 3 + seasons and don’t look like they are going to compete anytime soon.
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by timg56 on
Dec 30, 2008 12:41 PM EST
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FYI
Shields is signed through 2014
Kazmir is signed through 2012
Garza has 4 years left I believe and
Longoria is signed through 2016
Tampa did just a good a job preparing to keep these guys as they did getting them.
As for our direction:
Its hard to like it, it really is, because it means putting our hope in guys that may never be anything. And with a 5 year plan like we have, you wont know for a few years if you are just wasting time/money.
"I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters." Keith Law
by Reddrummer9187 on
Dec 27, 2008 1:35 AM EST
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The offer to Teixeira was a joke — let’s call a spade a spade there. They put in an offer and never budged on it for the sake of a public that was in love with the idea of Maryland-born Mark Teixeira coming to crack the code and save us. We were never in the running.
We were never in the running but according to Roch, we were never given an opportunity to raise our initial bid. We would had to cream the Yanks’ offer and that wasn’t going to happen.
Developing young talent is not THE ONLY THING that has to drastically change under Dandy Andy’s watch. The buck doesn’t stop there. If the franchise thinks it does, another decade of this mess is on the horizon.
Word, I love that the farm system is leaps and bound better than before. But way more has to be done. Pinning our hopes that all our top prospects will pan out is short sighted. Our “international scouting and development” needs to man up.. We need to target other young players by trading Huff, Roberts, and Sherrill.
by birdman on
Dec 27, 2008 2:16 AM EST
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Perhaps Huff's contract
will be more tradeable this season than last season with one less year attached to it. The A’s are gaining on the Angels and could be looking for a bat at first base if they don’t sign Dunn or Giambi.
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by jobe on
Dec 27, 2008 5:08 AM EST
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half-year rentals haven't been worth that much recently
As I recall
by pipkin on
Dec 27, 2008 9:12 AM EST
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The Dodgers would like to disagree...
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by duck on
Dec 27, 2008 10:11 AM EST
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More like a one and a half year rental
This will be the third year of a four year deal.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on
Dec 27, 2008 3:02 PM EST
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it was a three-year deal
3 years, 20 million http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_Huff#Baltimore_Orioles
retrosheet confirms
by pipkin on
Dec 27, 2008 4:17 PM EST
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I was going to mention the A’s as well. Apparently, they’re looking at Abreu and for reasons beyond comprehension, Garret Anderson. If they’re willing to play Abreu or Anderson in the LF (or put them at DH and move Cust to LF), they should be open to Huff.
by birdman on
Dec 27, 2008 12:42 PM EST
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its interesting
but this could be a very good rotation-Hernandez, Bedard, Morrow, Ryan Rowand Smith and Washburn….of course anchored by the anchor Carlos Silva.
Seattle has been talking about moving their second baseman to first and adding a defensive second baseman..
But I dont see the A’s or Seattle interested in Huff.
by sanders833 on
Dec 27, 2008 11:37 PM EST
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Isn’t Bedard suppose to be out for a good portion of next year?
by birdman on
Dec 28, 2008 1:06 PM EST
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the scuttle
is he will be ready but that could change tomorrow
by sanders833 on
Dec 28, 2008 2:48 PM EST
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I'd be surprised to see the M's competative next season.
They lack power and decent hitting and the rotation you describe is one that depends on unproven guys coming through and proven guys coming back from injury.
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by timg56 on
Dec 30, 2008 12:48 PM EST
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Of course
but all of those pitchers have either the ability to miss bats (morrow, bedard, hernandez) or upset timing (Smith, Washburn). The GM is emphasizing defense and the division is not that strong (to date the Angles have lost Tex, Krod, G Anderson and Garland)
I “can see” the opportunity for Seattle to be sneaky competitive.
by sanders833 on
Dec 30, 2008 2:15 PM EST
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When Boras comes back to you and says
“Really, don’t bother with a new offer, you’d just be wasting your time,” which is basically what he did, then we have some proof for the assertion that Tex never wanted to come here. As Peter Schmuck wrote, “He was never really that into you.”
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by duck on
Dec 27, 2008 10:11 AM EST
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Is there any question at this point that Roberts isn't going to sign an extension
and will have to be traded? But what team is going to offer a worthwhile deal? The Cubs’s offer last season was dubious with the inclusion of Pie and Cedeno, and they certainly don’t have that much to offer this time around. But what other teams are interested, that have the pieces to complete a deal?
Huff and Sherrill just don’t seem like tradable pieces anymore. Even after Huff’s monster season, I just don’t see teams all that interested in him. At least in the capacity that we are: a trade chip that will land this team a prospect or two.
I really hope MacPhail doesn’t go after draft picks and just let him walk at the end of the season. The Brewers can attest to how well that works.
by Dr Orpheus on
Dec 27, 2008 12:38 PM EST
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Huff and Sherrill just don’t seem like tradable pieces anymore. Even after Huff’s monster season, I just don’t see teams all that interested in him. At least in the capacity that we are: a trade chip that will land this team a prospect or two.
After this offseason, I’m a little concerned if the O’s offer Huff arbitration, he’ll accept because teams wiil be reluctant to give up the compensation picks especially if his numbers dip a bit. One or two dimensional players like Dunn, Abreu, Giambi aren’t doing so well this offseason… except for Raul Ibanez (go figure, oh his character is apparently well respected). The O’s need to do what the Pirates have done recently with Bay, Marte, and Nady and just try to make the best deal possible and move on. Roberts, on the other hand, might be worth keeping around for the comp picks if nobody is offering anything worth a damn for him.
I really hope MacPhail doesn’t go after draft picks and just let him walk at the end of the season. The Brewers can attest to how well that works.
Brewers are just a freaky case though. Next year’s free agent is weak so the Yanks won’t be signing every top free agent out there.
by birdman on
Dec 27, 2008 12:51 PM EST
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2009 is going to be
like 2008. Lets accept that. At least in appearance. We already know that next off season we have one player signed in Izzy. So we should have money to offer free agents (yes the pool will be thinner) or to assume contracts that teams may no longer be able to afford (Rios?, Wells?, could it be Miguel Cabrera on the block?, Roy Oswalt (perfect mentor for some young pitchers).
We will know the status of Nick and Brian. Most importantly we will know much more about Adam Jones, Matt Wieters, our big three, Erbe, Hernandez, Patton, Liz, Olsen and others. We should also know if the economy has continued to drive down baseball revenues and player salaries.
AM has laid out his basic plan. Trade for organizational talent and depth. Keep payroll lean. Invest in and improve player procurement (scouting, drafting and investing payroll savings by going out of slot) in all areas of the world. Build a foundation. Then add significant free agents. Of course, within that are many variables that AM will have to try to manipulate. So far, the ones he has controlled, he has done well. But sometime in the future Andy will have to go outside the comfort zone and possibly take on more risk.
I dont see the Orioles committing much more salary to 2009 even for pitching unless they move some payroll (Huff, Roberts). The Orioles may consider a Japanese pitcher signing as an investment, still none of the pitchers is a sure thing and all seem to be coming off injury or a reduced roll and want big contracts. I still would gamble on Kei Igawa if the price is right. Anyone want Hiduki Matsui for a couple of years? That might get Baltimore on the map in Japan. Maybe trading Brian will bring back an arm and signing one at a bargain basement price will augment all the young starters auditioning.
by sanders833 on
Dec 28, 2008 12:34 AM EST
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No to Matsui
He’s a major health factor, and the last thing the O’s need is a full-time 35 year-old DH who last topped 30 HR in 2004.
by Brotz13 on
Dec 28, 2008 2:40 PM EST
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Of course
he is. It was said somewhat sarcastically. It would be dishonorable for the Yanks to deal Matsui to a non contender bringing shame to both Matsui and the Yanks. Lets say the Yanks would have to show “sensitivity” it they move Matsui.
by sanders833 on
Dec 28, 2008 2:54 PM EST
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Stupid question
Ok, so I am a non Orioles fan who was checking out your roster this morning when a player’s name caught my eye. The Orioles homepage has Danys Baez listed as a starting pitcher on the depth chart. I had to do a double take…any info on the converting of him into a starter?
by mtzxc on
Dec 27, 2008 2:26 PM EST
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Many of us favor converting him into a Dumpster, head first.
I think the listing is simply arbitrary, and it certainly has little bearing on reality either way. But maybe somebody actually knows— SC? duck?
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on
Dec 27, 2008 4:11 PM EST
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he said he wants to try starting again
I guess they’re gonna let him?
by pipkin on
Dec 27, 2008 4:18 PM EST
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they are letting him try to start again
Because the back end of the bullpen is theoretically full, he sucks, and the rotation is wide open. I think they figure if it doesn’t work, then, uh, oh well. I don’t think he’s genuinely in the plans for ’09 as anything more than a mop-up man.
"I decided to become a basketball fan this year and it’s not working out so well because the Wizards SUUUCK. So then I shifted to hockey. That’s pretty fun except there are a lot of flashing lights and horns and shit at the game."
by SC on
Dec 27, 2008 5:24 PM EST
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He will get the chance in ST
to pitch himself out of the rotation, which I fully expect him to do.
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by duck on
Dec 27, 2008 7:54 PM EST
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the O's actually changed their minds again
and said he is staying in the pen…
by sanders833 on
Dec 27, 2008 11:39 PM EST
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Imagine a doubleheader with Baez and Hendrikson going for us-- I'M SO THERE!!!
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.
by Titov on
Dec 27, 2008 4:20 PM EST
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Baez, Hendrickson, Huff
The O’s sound like the ‘05 Rays. Good luck this year. The O’s do have some great building blocks.
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on
Dec 27, 2008 4:48 PM EST
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I try not to imagine doubleheaders
On one hand, I’d like to say there’s no way it could ever get any worse than the 30-3 game. On the other hand, it probably could get worse.
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by Eat More Esskay on
Dec 27, 2008 5:51 PM EST
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Bring a batting helmet
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by duck on
Dec 27, 2008 7:54 PM EST
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I spent Christmas back home in Baltimore. I turned on MASN and saw some damn good baseball. Of course it was classic Orioles.
Otherwise, I am sick and tired of the Orioles, I plan to watch from a distance and see if ALL of the farm hands pan out. Seems that’s the plan. In the meanwhile, I sat with my nephew who is a big football fan and actually tried to learn some of the nuances of the game. When in Rome…. Seems not many back home give a damn about the O’s. They can bumble along for a while and come in last for Lord knows how many more years while everyone pays attention to the Ravens.
by drj on
Dec 27, 2008 5:37 PM EST
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re:
Otherwise, I am sick and tired of the Orioles, I plan to watch from a distance and see if ALL of the farm hands pan out.
Uh huh. Do you write this stuff solely to try and trick newcomers around here? The rest of us have been reading these sentiments for years on end, yet here you are, still. Not that I mind one bit. I just like pointing out how you keep coming back, like Tina to Ike.
by Jonny Pops on
Dec 27, 2008 8:10 PM EST
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Tina and Ike...
hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT ain't no country I ever heard of. Do they speak english in WHAT?
by sickuvitall on
Dec 27, 2008 10:35 PM EST
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Maybe we should punch him around a little bit.
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