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It’s a Small World After All (Pt. I) - Pedroia and Markakis

NEWS:

BOSTON (AP) — The Boston Red Sox have agreed to terms with AL Most Valuable Player Dustin Pedroia on a six-year contract worth $40.5 million, The Associated Press has learned.

A baseball official familiar with the deal, speaking on the condition of anonymity because it was not yet announced, told the AP that Pedroia would remain with the Red Sox through 2014, with a club option for 2015.

The deal was first reported by ESPN.com.

NEWS:

Contract-extension talks between the Orioles and star right fielder Nick Markakis have broken off and likely will not be revisited for at least six weeks.


Club president Andy MacPhail and Markakis' agent, Jamie Murphy, confirmed that the sides exchanged proposals last week for the first time this offseason and, after several discussions, an agreement could not be reached.

It's the second time since July the two sides have temporarily walked away from the negotiating table - the first coming at the All-Star break, when the Orioles made an offer that one industry source called "low ball."

This time, the sides moved closer but are still considered millions of dollars apart.

What does the first have to do with the last?

Well, a little context is in order. We, the Orioles Village, have had our collective panties in a bunch* over the perceived lack of progress of the signing of Nick Markakis past the three years of team control already in place. If Evan Longoria got a contract after just one month on Desperate Housewives, sorry, the Tampa Bay Rays, doesn’t Darling Nicky deserve the same?

Well, the Pedroia contract, apparently reached today, presents a rather convincing piece of evidence that yet again, maybe Andy MacPhail knows what he’s doing. The current AL MVP signs away two of his free-agent seasons for 6-year, $40.5 million dollar contract that includes 3 of his arbitration years as well. All of a sudden, 6 years at $10M-$12M per for Markakis seems a bit much, doesn't it?

As good as Nick is, he hasn’t won the AL MVP in his first 3 seasons. And yet, the reigning MVP, who’s a season behind Markakis in service time (he only played in 31 games in 2006), is now going for significantly less than $10 million a season in his physical prime.

Now, 2B isn’t RF. And Peds is never gonna hit 25 HR in a season (I think). But do we think Andy MacPhail smiles a little bit when he read Peds’ new contract numbers? I bet he did. And I bet that’s why Nick’s agent just walked away from the table, in hopes that the subsequent market moves up, not even farther down.

So tell me – what effect do you think Peds’ contract will have on the Markakis negotiations, if any?

*And is it just me, or wouldn’t men’s underwear being too constrictive present a much more painful problem than women’s? Just asking.

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'at's what i'm talking about...

market corrections.

"When people ask me what my motivation is, I have a simple answer: Money."

--Jerry Reed, on acting

by j.q. higgins on Dec 3, 2008 4:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

and just to follow up

Look at Chase Utley’s contract. He signed after his contract extension after his 3rd year so it’s not completely comparable to Pedroia, but he signed a 7 year, $85M contract. During his FA years, Chase is getting paid $15M (little dipshit is getting $10M during his FA years).. Even with the recession, Pedroia gave a hometown discount. Great deal for PHN.

by birdman on Dec 3, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

40.5 million

if you say the .5 applies to his non arb year then he sold the other five years for 8 million each.

Look you cant go wrong taking 40.5 million but its a steal for Boston.

But I would say if Orioles try to low ball Nick, then go year to year. If I am Nick I am still going to use the contracts that Grandeson and TT signed plus the obvious contracts of guys like Utley, Rios and Hanley Ramirez signed and even contracts that Miquel Cabrera, Matt Holliday and Mark Teixeira signed that bought out arb years.

Arbitration might pay more then Orioles are willing to pay in an extension.

So this might get very interesting.

by sanders833 on Dec 3, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But I would say if Orioles try to low ball Nick, then go year to year.

The O’s lowballed Nick over the summer according to Sun. Something like $5 to $6M per year.

Arbitration might pay more then Orioles are willing to pay in an extension.

Might? It will, from the team’s point of view, the whole of idea of offering a long term extension is that the player sacrifices annual salary demands for long term security. If Nick wants the most money, year to year is the way to go.

by birdman on Dec 3, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I understand

What I was really trying to imply was if the market really does deflate, arbitration is more or less the last piece that deflates as new contracts filter into the data. So this would make the case for Nick to go year to year even greater as that would hold up the longest as salaries decline. Arbitration is a process that looks backward not forwards.

Here are some more data points (contracts) from Ken Rosenthal’s column.

Rosenthal cites the deals signed by Hanley Ramirez, David Wright, and Ryan Braun as comparables. Pedroia’s deal covers one pre-arbitration season, all three arb seasons, and two years of free agency. Ramirez received $54.4MM for the same slice of his career, Wright got $55MM, and Braun received $43.8MM. Also, Brian McCann gets $37.8MM, Grady Sizemore gets $30.95MM, Evan Longoria is at $31.95MM, Robinson Cano gets $42.49MM, and Chase Utley gets $55.5MM. That assumes options are exercised, where applicable.

There should be a deal in there somewhere that both sides can live with.

by sanders833 on Dec 3, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

$6M per year is not a lowball offer

Not when you’re buying out 3 arb years and not when Pedroia just signed for $6.5M/year.

I want them to get the deal done, but it’s not like $6M/year is a total bullshit offer. It’s called “lowball” by people who are impatient to get things done and don’t care if salaries continually spiral out of control. If he signs that deal, Markickass is set for life.

The whole financial structure of baseball has veterans getting way overpaid for their abilities. To compensate, younger players are underpaid. That’s entirely the result of the market, which is determined by the CBA, which itself is something the players’ union has agreed to.

So while a long-term deal should remedy some of the discrepancy, it’s ridiculous to think that Markakis has to be paid like he’s a ten-year player.

by zknower on Dec 4, 2008 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It WAS a lowball offer this summer.

Now? Maybe not so much. Seems the market may start coming back to the O’s, at least as far as hitters are concerned.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 4, 2008 9:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

explain.

it’s not a lowball offer if you think it’s a fair assessment of what an individual should be compensated. you cna’t only view it in reference to “the market”. The offers help determine the market, the market helps determine the offers. It’s way to chickin-and-egg to try to characterize one based on the other.

I think “lowball” implies “I’m offering something you would never accept in a hundred years so that our eventual agreed-upon figure winds up being lower.” Like basically, an INSULTING offer.

And I would argue that 1) a $36M payday should not be insulting to any player still completely under team control, and 2) clearly there are comparable players out there who would accept it immediately.

Do you think Pedroia wouldn’t have accepted the Sox deal this past summer? BEFORE he won the MVP?

by zknower on Dec 5, 2008 2:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LIke I'm one to complain

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 5, 2008 6:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

THis summer, I would have argued

it was well below the perceived market for his services. A $36M deal for someone who is as vital to the future success of the O’s as Markakis is (which, to be honest, is not just taking into account Markakis’ production, but the abysmal team the O’s have assembled around him) would have been considered a lowball offer. Rightly or wrongly, Longoria’s deal will be seen as a blueprint, not an aberration.

Now? Now, the market is coming back to the Orioles, at least in the short term. This trend may not (and probably will not) last. But you must admit, the O’s tend to be somewhat bipolar in their negotiating ploys – offer ridiculuos contracts (Razor, Huff) to people for whom there wasn’t much competition, while playing hardball with proven producers (Roberts, Markakis).

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 5, 2008 6:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No pun intended, right duck?

You know…“small world”…Pedroia…little guy…

I’ll show myself out.

by Brotz13 on Dec 3, 2008 4:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Actually, no....

I just had Disney on the brain. But nice catch.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 3, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And 9 out of 10

For referencing a God-awful bad song from the Entity Formerly Known As Prince.

Shirts vs the blouses!

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on Dec 3, 2008 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shoot the J!

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 3, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

1-0

Your move

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on Dec 3, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Its certainly another data point

that works in Macphail’s interest.

by sanders833 on Dec 3, 2008 4:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, I don't

my boxers fit so much better with sundresses while drinking my white Zin.

:)

OK, now that I’ve COMPLETELY lost the newbies … here’s the link

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 3, 2008 7:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, too far down

Go here. It was quite the game thread. Something to learn from for the newbies, I think.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 3, 2008 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

Game threads are the best. I’m so tired of the offseason already.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Dec 3, 2008 10:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Game threads in July are the best

Game threads in August, not so much. Remember, we’re O’s fans. :(

by fishoutawata on Dec 4, 2008 1:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: the bunched panties

I never thought it was the bunching so much, as it was the fact that guys who worry about are probably the same sort who like wearing womens underwear.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 4, 2008 7:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty much resigned...

To losing Nick in 3 years. I love how there are quotes in the Sun article saying that people w/in the org were concerned that we were alienating him with renewing him for $455,00 last year and the lowball offer this summer…well, are we doing anything about that? I couldnt believe that we offered a deal at 5-6 mil per year. We’ve been hammering at a Roberts extension for a while, and that hasn’t happened, so…until I hear otherwise, I don’t expect Nick in right in 2012.

by U2boy417 on Dec 4, 2008 4:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm betting that

$60M for 6 years would alleviate any sore feelings he may have. $50M over 6 may even do it.

Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.

by duck on Dec 4, 2008 9:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That would probably be the last straw for me

Being forced to watch Markakis play for the Yankees or Red Sox in his prime will be tioo hard to swallow.

Nick is clearly willing to sign an extension and give up some free agent years for a little security.

There’s no excuse for MacPhail not to get this done.

by dkdc on Dec 5, 2008 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Andy is a patient soul

and so far he hasnt missed on something he really has control of. He will get it worked out and I can see PA signing off so relax. If the market is tight this year it will get tighter in the 2009-2010 off season almost without fail as teams still wont know their ticket sales again. I dont think the markets will recover in 12 months. They might stabilize but I dont think they will recover for a while.

I am more interested in Roberts at the moment. We may be getting ready to have a Kerry Wood moment soon.

by sanders833 on Dec 5, 2008 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I'm quite worried about Roberts too

We obviously haven’t known what to do with him for a while. He and Markakis both sound reasonable in their approaches – they’d like to stay, but would you want to commit to this team for many years of your prime? Yet another reason why Teixeira makes such a difference. Sign him, and I bet Roberts and Markakis extend before the 09 season.

by U2boy417 on Dec 6, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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