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Pads GM Towers: Peavy-Olson-Pie-et al is up to Cubs now

Kevin Towers says in the Union-Tribune this morning that a deal is in place. It's up to the Cubs to sign off on it.

We've been around the room with this one already. I think it comes down to what we value more. A young unproven starting pitcher? Or a young unproven outfielder?

Now, the question to me, is can the Cubs pull off this deal considering how much they'd have to pay Peavy, their status on the selling block, Tribune's bankruptcy, and perhaps new legal troubles of the Tribune owner.

Setting aside all this, would the Cubs want to make the deal? Towers doesn't outline the whole package, but I think from a baseball perspective they need to do it. They have one of their best core of players in awhile, but they need someone like Peavy to put them over the top.

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So if this goes through

This would be Olson for Pie for us? I don’t have any high hopes in Olson, but our outfield would be a bit crowded. Nicky, AJ, Luke, Reimold maybe, and Pie? Guess one of Reimold/Luke would be traded then perhaps? Or at least more available for trade.

Even though I don’t like Olson the team seems to need as much pitching as possible.

Funny how last year Pie was the untouchable in the Brian Bob talks and now we might get him for just Olson?

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Dec 9, 2008 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

I think Luke would be traded

Luke would be a great fit for the Cubs, and they will also be opening another hole at 2B by trading DeRosa to the Phillies.

This screams blockbuster with the Cubs, but I don’t think they have the talent to get just Luke, let alone Roberts and Luke.

Also, another rumor has us getting Marquis (and cash) along with Pie.

by dkdc on Dec 9, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Rosenthal is reporting

that the Peavy trade can’t go through until the new Cubs owner is identified and can sign off on the payroll increase. Seems like that could keep the deal from happening in the immediate future.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8917320/Cubs-say-they%27re-not-close-on-Peavy-deal

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Dec 9, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Read

something about them having to move Marquis as well. Would that mean BAL would end up with Marquis or what?

Always trust your cape. -Guy Clark

by BPinOK on Dec 9, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Potentially

Cubs are supposedly willing to absorb mostof his salary, so Marquis might only cost $3-4MM.

He’s not a long-term solution, but he would eat innings next year, and he’s better than signing a Garland type to a long term deal.

by dkdc on Dec 9, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be ok with that

He’s no great shakes but we will need pitching next year and according to Cots he’ll be a FA after 2009. That’s better than having to sign some mediocre Paul Bird for like 3 years.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Dec 9, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess

what I’m asking is would we potentially end up with Marquis and Pie for only Olson? I agree that Olson being a pitcher makes him more valuable but if we could get some serviceable time from Marquis while some of the young guys develop it might not be that bad of a deal. Plus we could then move one of Scott, Pie, Reimold.

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by BPinOK on Dec 9, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That'd be quite a deal

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by Stacey on Dec 9, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we should trade Luke

I just plain don’t trust Nolan Reimold.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
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by jobe on Dec 9, 2008 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't really comment on possible Luke trades

Because I recognize that I’m irrational about him. I don’t know why I like him so much.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Dec 9, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the sideburns

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by duck on Dec 9, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmm

I don’t like Felix Pie too much. Hes never really put up stats that backed his top prospect billing a few years ago, and has never hit lefties in his life. Garrett Olson has completely flopped, but I think he should get one more chance. Value for value almost everyone would take Pie, but hes not really a good fit for the O’s right now. Andy is probably looking at Pie as a long term solution, but I don’t think he’ll ever be that good.

by UMterp08 on Dec 9, 2008 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Also

Ramon-for-Freel swap may be announced soon:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck/2008/12/source_ramon_deal_closer.html

None of these are franchise-altering moves, but it’s nice to see some action.

by dkdc on Dec 9, 2008 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

Roch is reporting the same thing

I don’t really get adding Ryan Freel. He adds nothing. That’s gotta just be to dump Ramon more than anything. Roch is reporting that the Brewers are also interested in him.

http://masnsports.com/2008/12/another-bidder-for-ramon.html

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Dec 9, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

The primary goal is to dump as much of Ramon’s salary as possible. Freel is just coming back because the Reds don’t want to absorb all of Ramon’s contract. Freel’s value is as a super-sub, and he could start at a variety of positions which gives MacPhail a little flexibility to try to trade Roberts or just deal with injuries.

Hopefully the mid-level prospect is decent.

by dkdc on Dec 9, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

says we might get a prospect in the deal too. I’d rather have a prospect than Freel (especially since Freek isn’t a shortstop) but I don’t want to have to watch Ramon this year. The only thing is those draft picks if he makes it to type A, but there is no guarantee that offering him arbitration would be worth it.

by math_geek on Dec 9, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Pie and Reimold

Why not platoon the two? They have very similar minor league numbers. Maybe as a two-headed beast they could give us a pretty decent left-fielder.

Let’s be honest. Luke is just a placeholder. He’s a league average guy that is great for the team right now but has little to offer us when we hope to contend in a few years.

by silverstadium on Dec 9, 2008 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I'm really surprised we'd trade Olson

just for Felix Pie. I mean, who the heck cares but Felix Pie does really jam up our outfield, and it’s not like starting pitching is an area of strength for us

by math_geek on Dec 9, 2008 2:18 PM EST reply actions  

+1

We’re going to need every swinging D*** for the rotation. Pie’s bat doesn’t look like it can handle LF. He’ll be out of position in BAL unless Jonesy goes down with an injury. Lame ass trade.

by birdman on Dec 9, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Pie for Olsen

given that the Orioles are not going to be competing in 2009, I think we are still in a place where you deal for the most talent, regardless (to some degree) of positional need. Pie is certainly more talented than Olsen. Olsen, even at his best, even at the most optimistic projections, grades out as a back end starter, while Pie could be much more. Pie and Reimold would be a great platoon, and we could always deal from a position of outfield depth next season and beyond.

by ItsBenFeldman on Dec 9, 2008 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

Ramon for Freel

Ramon is dead weight to this team, Freel is no kind of starter but given the absurd backups we have had in the past few years, from Fahey to Bynum to post callup-hot-streak David Newhan. I’d be pretty happy to have a utility player who doesn’t embarrass us, or look like a 12 year old boy.

by ItsBenFeldman on Dec 9, 2008 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

or

embarass 12 year old boys?

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by BPinOK on Dec 9, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Because I know you guys love this stuff so much

an insider on the OH is reporting:

Cubs get Peavy from SD

Orioles get Pie, Marquis + 4 million cash from CHI

Phillies get Derosa from CHI

SD gets Hill, Vitters, Cedeno from CHI, Olson form Bal, Happ from PHI

http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73161

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Dec 9, 2008 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

Hmm...

I think I like it. We’d only have Marquis for one year right? But Matusz could be ready for the 2010 season and hopefully another young arm or two.

Always trust your cape. -Guy Clark

by BPinOK on Dec 9, 2008 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Olson for Pie, Marquis + 4 million???

I’m pretty sure I would take that deal. As people said before, Pie certainly has more potential than Olson, and getting Marquis for 3 million (I think his salary is about 7 million) is a cheap throw in to start to clean up our rotation.

by math_geek on Dec 9, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

More like $10M

According to Cot’s Contracts, Marquis makes $9.875 million this year. So we’d be getting him for a shade under $6 mil, which still isn’t horrible.

by Brotz13 on Dec 9, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

that is correct

they backloaded his contract to the last year

by sanders833 on Dec 9, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

ah, thanks for the correction, I should have figured on backloading

still, we could end up spending a lot more for a league average pitcher this year than 6 million dollars. Orioles fans deserve at least 3 pitchers that can be league average.

by math_geek on Dec 9, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He works for now

and you could flip him now at that price if something comes up. Marquis is another better in the NL pitcher, who I think also hits very well, who cant be happy about pitching his walk year in the AL East on a poor team.

Milwaukee might be a good fit but the deal would have to get bigger.

by sanders833 on Dec 9, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

besides being liked by folks in Pikesville

I can’t see how getting Marquis can be very good. He always seems to get off to good starts then falters in the heat of the summer. Theres a reason why Guthrie can pitch well in Baltimore during the summer and its because hes in real good shape, unlike the rotund Marquis.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey

by jobe on Dec 9, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Marquis’s lack of durability, but the guy has been regularly used as a pinch runner in the past. He’s not out of shape. Dude can go from first to third faster than a lot of the thin guys.

But I don’t see Marquis in the AL. He loves to swing the bat and run.

by Dr Orpheus on Dec 9, 2008 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

For SD

is a pretty underwhelming package. Vitters is so far away, Hill has been hurt and has Steve Blass disorder, Cedeno is just fodder and Olsen and Happ can probably do ok but there is nothing there in terms of ace material.

For example I can think of some Canadian pitcher who brought a little better package.

From the Orioles standpoint I have to trust Andy that Pie’s upside is worth morth Olsen. I guess its just like asking in the draft-go for need or best player and if we get Pie its best player-we hope. Marquis is what he is and that is fine. I still wish they would throw in Gaudin esp since I have heard non tender talk about him although this deal might change that.

by sanders833 on Dec 9, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

SD is boxed in

Three differences between the Bedard deal and any Peavy deal:

-It seems that the Pads are in the midst of a fire sale because the owner is in financial trouble and in the midst of an ugly divorce. The rest of the league knows this and so they’ve been giving lowball offers. See, there are worse owners than Angelos out there.

-Peavy has a huge contract. Bedard’s was reasonable.

-MacPhail knows how to preserve leverage to get the best deal. The Pad management hasn’t been able to hide how desperate they are to deal Peavy.

by silverstadium on Dec 9, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously

Pads are selling and would be apparently selling pretty damn low if you ask me. Peavy has a four year deal at just about 60 mill (11 mill first year). For an ace pitcher, its actually pretty darn reasonable considering Dempster is getting 52 for four year.

Andy would appear to be leveraging the situation just like he did with Bavasi last year. This year he is just acting more like a facilitator, helping to grease the wheels and get what he hopes is a fair return.

The biggest thing actually hampering Towers though is Peavy’s no trade clause. Its hard to deal when its one team at a time. Still if Towers says no trade at the end of the week then I guess he might try to move Giles (good luck with his no trade clause) to save salary in 2009 and see if Peavy gives him more options later.

by sanders833 on Dec 9, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

Peavy’s contract is very reasonable and he is much more proven and reliable than Bedard at this point last year. It still is big money, though, and might keep some teams out of the picture. Bad ownership and negotiating seem to be at the root of the problem, not the contract.

by silverstadium on Dec 9, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Schmuck update on Ramon

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck/2008/12/hernandez_trade_update.html

Apparently, the Ramon Hernandez deal is slightly sweeter for the Orioles than previously reported. The O’s are believed to be getting two mid-level prospects and fourth outfielder Ryan Freel for Ramon.

Just waiting for an announcement.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Dec 9, 2008 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

2 mid-level prospects and Ryan Freel for Ramon is more than we would have gotten in draft picks after having to pay and watch the bastard for another year.

This, if true, is incredible.

What is a mid-level prospect anyway? B-? C+?

by math_geek on Dec 9, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

is level a reference to ability or standing?

i.e. does that mean a couple guys at high a or double a or a couple b-/c+ prospects?

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by j.q. higgins on Dec 9, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought about that too

But would we really call Hayden Penn or Garret Olson high level prospects??

However midlevel could be B prospects too. I’m guessing B+ and above is out of the question. But I may be wrong, MacPhail has surprised me before.

by math_geek on Dec 9, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

John Sickel's rankings

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/12/6/683712/cincinnati-reds-top-20-pro

Your guess is as good as mine on where “mid-level” falls.

[Guthrie's] president of my heart. ~PhilR8

by Stacey on Dec 9, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably C+

On the Sickels scale.

by dkdc on Dec 9, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I kind of think about from the O's terms

so when I hear mid level O’s prospect it isnt anyone in our top 30 but I hope I am wrong.

by sanders833 on Dec 9, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Mid-level should be top 30

Once you get past 30, you’re stretching it to even call them a prospect.

Brad Bergesen, Kam Mickolio and Mike Costanzo are classic mid-level prospects, in my opinion.

by dkdc on Dec 9, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve Traeschel trade

I guess Moore and Cherry would have been mid level but they actually were pretty high at one time so I guess lets just wait cause I have no idea and I suspect we all might have different definitions.

by sanders833 on Dec 9, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Inside help

The one good thing is Krivsky should certainly be helping Andy choose the prospects since he knows the system inside and out. I would temper my expectations though.

by sanders833 on Dec 9, 2008 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

Let's hope Mr. Rosenthal is correct.

Even if we are unsure of the level of prospects we are getting, let’s face it, getting rid of Ramon is the top priority here. Watching him fumble around behind the plate last year was painful. If Quiroz has to start for awhile, oh well, its not like we were competing in 09 anyway.

by sickuvitall on Dec 9, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Except that Quiznos got dropped from the roster yesterday

Although they may be able to rescind that given the current situation

This will be my signature until the Orioles get a real SS.

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 9, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I missed that

if we get two mid level prospects we might have to do some roster juggling

by sanders833 on Dec 9, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

They probably won't be players

that we need to protect from the Rule 5 draft.

This will be my signature until the Orioles get a real SS.

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 9, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Now all we need is a catcher and a half

Free Agents (per Cots):
Catchers
Rod Barajas TOR
Henry Blanco * CHC
Johnny Estrada WAS
Toby Hall * CWS
Adam Melhuse TEX
Mike Redmond * MIN
Ivan Rodriguez NYY
David Ross BOS
Javier Valentin CIN
Jason Varitek BOS
Vance Wilson DET
Gregg Zaun * TOR

I vote for Gregggggggg Zaun.

This will be my signature until the Orioles get a real SS.

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 9, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

if that will work…I think he may be related to someone affiliated with the O’s? I could be wrong though.

Always trust your cape. -Guy Clark

by BPinOK on Dec 9, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

probability, signability

all point to Zaun. Pudge could actually help Florida. I think Barajas will be in Toronto and I thought Redmond was in Minn.

by sanders833 on Dec 9, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't see the sense in making a trade at this point

and if TOR has any brains, they keep Barajas or upgrade. I like experienced catchers who have worked on excellent pitching staffs, it’s what we need right now more than a big bat catcher.

This will be my signature until the Orioles get a real SS.

by CoachOfEarl on Dec 9, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

micheal barrett

apparently the Os have interest in him too…and David Ross is no longer a FA, signed with Houston I belieb.

by milkman41 on Dec 9, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

How old is Barrett?

He was an original Shorebird in ’96.

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by duck on Dec 11, 2008 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

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