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Thanks and farewell, Erik

Some will say that saying anything is saying something too quick. But Erik Bedard is all but gone -- the physicals need to be passed, and that's it.

So I think we should wish Erik Bedard a nice goodbye. One time I lost faith in Erik Bedard. I even creatively titled that post, "I've lost faith in Erik Bedard."

He was pretty awesome from that point on. I like to think it was entirely because of that.

Obviously the 2008 team isn't going to be quite as good without Bedard as it would have been with him anchoring the rotation. The guy pitched like a beast in 2007, throwing under 200 innings and nearly leading the league in strikeouts anyway. Bedard with Safeco Field behind him? Look out, Cy Young Award.

Truthfully, I've always sort of hated the Mariners. But Bedard is someone I'll root for. Just not against us.

And let's welcome the new Orioles, reported to be Adam Jones, Chris Tillman, George Sherrill, Kam Mickolio and Tony Butler. Adam Jones and Nick Markakis in the outfield in '08? Count me in. That could seriously be a dynamic 3-4 punch in the lineup for a decade or more.

The Mariners are getting a stud lefty for their package of young talent (and George Sherrill). All that remains to be seen about the 2008 Opening Day Orioles is whether or not Andy MacPhail will pull one more deal out of his hat and send Brian Roberts to the Chicago Cubs.

I'm honestly looking forward to watching the O's this year. They might lose 100 games. It's a very real possibility. But I get the feeling it'll be a lot more enjoyable to watch a team that is at least trying to point themselves in a direction lose 100 games than it is watching a rudderless mess of a team lose 90. There will be days when Markakis and Jones and all the rest really look like a team that could be going somewhere. And that'll be exciting.

Jeremy Guthrie: Staff Ace. Go figure. To be fair, that was a role that many envisioned for Guthrie when he was drafted. But he's only getting there now after years of stagnation and failure.

What else do you really say? We sent off our two best players so far this offseason. We're leaving this franchise in the hands of Andy MacPhail and, eventually, a boat of young talent. There is no longer any shortage of legit pitching prospects in Baltimore. Olson, Liz, Patton, Albers, Tillman, Penn, Loewen is still really a prospect more than anything, Erbe, etc. It's a nice group. I'm not saying all of them will pan out. Maybe NONE of them do. But I think it's likely that we can shape a rotation out of that group.

Matt Wieters could be on this team by the end of the season. Markakis, Jones and Wieters? That's legit. That's bona fide.

It's almost bizarre to think of the Orioles as a team with young talent that has a base and can actually be going somewhere. But that's the way I'm seeing it. And that beats the garbage we've endured for 10 years.

So far, so good for the MacPhail era Orioles.

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Bedard will always struggle
with the expectations put on him as a superstar. I'm happy for him that he'll pitch on the west coast, were there won't be nearly as much pressure on him to live up to being a "superstar". It will be really tough for me to watch B-Rob go. I'm so impressed of what kind of player he has become and how he has thrived individually at a time in this franchise's history when we shouldn't have been producing players like Brian Roberts.
"All I have to say is our partner is going to shock the world because he is none other than THE SHOCKMASTER!"-Sting

by jobe on Feb 4, 2008 3:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Come watch these kids play!
Oh wait, no.. that was a disaster.

Definitely looking forward to our team compete in the AL East this year... hopefully it turns out to be a Disney-type story ... not the texas chainsaw massacre.

again, anyone have the scoop on the other rookies coming along with this deal?

by dfleis on Feb 4, 2008 3:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Come watch these kids play!
That team was a joke and everyone knew it. This is some real talent.

Gone but not forgotten...

by SC on Feb 4, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

seriously...
there's an article linked in the post before this one i think that talks about the young pitchers coming over.  they're apparently all around 6 foot 7 and throw gas.  the kid tillman is described as a pitcher that could be a 2 or a 3 on a good team.  stuff-wise, he sounds like bedard (low-mid90s heat, plus curve and a developing change).
So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Feb 4, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

RE:
Mickolio is 6'9", Butler is 6'7", and Tillman is 6'5".  I guess the O's feel that DCab just needs some friends on the team.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Feb 4, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hm
we might make a better basketball team than a baseball team..

by dfleis on Feb 4, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1
Forget it, Jake. It's Birdland.

by Titov on Feb 5, 2008 6:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In 2008...
Watch the players, not the team.

The team will stink. The players will show promise. And I'll take it.

by KenDixonFanClub on Feb 4, 2008 3:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

RE:
Exactly!  I think this year I may end up following players in the minors as much as I follow the guys in Baltimore.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Feb 4, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No matter how these players turn out
MacPhail made a good deal with both Miggy and Bedard so far, if we get atleast Sherril and Jonest hat is.
Tom Murphy: MVP of the illustrious '99 team.

by Baltimo on Feb 4, 2008 4:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like the youngsters
But I'm annoyed that we'll still be seeing a LOT of:
Melvin Mora
Kevin Millar
Aubrey Huff
Jay Payton
Jay Gibbons
Ramon Hernandez

Razor I can deal with if he rebounds from last year. It's never bad to have a solid veteran catcher to go with a young staff. And even Kevin Millar I could deal with if the rest on that list were gone. But having Huff, Payton, Mora and Gibbons on the team, getting at bats and making the money they're making kind of hampers my enthusiasm for the future.

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by CStoneNo37 on Feb 4, 2008 4:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Take heart
This rebuilding is tricky business, and will take a long time. Think of how long it took to screw us up this grandly. That surely didn't happen over night.

by Stacey on Feb 4, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not 100% positive...
...but I haven't heard a single version of the '08 team from anyone close to the FO that includes Gibbons' name.

I'm also fairly certain that there will at least be attempts to move one of Huff/Millar & would be surprised if Payton wasn't a topic of discussion.

Ramon's certain to be here & Mora's only likely landing spot in Philly isn't open anymore, so...


Our fans are better than yours.

by OEutaw on Feb 4, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But
How do they get rid of Gibby? Do they pay him to leave? I wouldn't think anyone would take him with that salary.
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by CStoneNo37 on Feb 5, 2008 10:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

gibby is a sunk cost...
they probably keep him as a bat in the short term and see if he can regain anything resembling something that might be of value to this or another major league team.  failing that, you gotta buy him out.

i would bet that if payton, huff and millar are dealt by spring training, they'll be gone before season's end.

So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Feb 5, 2008 10:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have heard
that his contract will be voided.  Or, barring that, they'll simply eat it.  He's not someone they want anywhere near a rebuilding team.

Our fans are better than yours.

by OEutaw on Feb 5, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that'd be super...
his face bores me.
So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Feb 5, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Farewell, Erik. I'll miss you.
Here's an Erik Bedard memory that I've been thinking on pretty much all day.

The last time I saw Erik pitch in person was in June 2007, and my cousin was in town. Sean grew up an army brat and never lived anywhere long enough to have a hometown team, so he adopted the Orioles. I took him to Oriole Park as I usually do when he visits. Orioles vs. Yankees. Bedard vs. Clemens. We took our seats under the overhang in left field, surrounded by Yankee fans. Sean was thrilled to see Bedard pitch in person for the first time, and Erik didn't let him down. He struck out Damon, Jeter, and Matsui to start the game, freezing Matsui to end the inning. For good measure, he started off the top of the 2nd by making Alex Rodriguez look foolish at the plate. 4 batters faced, 4 strikeouts (three looking). The Yankee fans in the seats near me were complaining about Erik's called strikes, saying they were dropping out of the strike zone. It seemed they, like the Yankee batters, just couldn't handle Erik's filthy curve.

That night Erik pitched 7 innings with 8 Ks, 1 BB, and 2 H. The Yankees never got a runner past first base against him, and the Orioles beat the Yankees 4-0. It was an amazing performance, but one that had become almost routine for him.  Before the game started, we laughed at the physical contrast of Erik and Roger Clemens, but when it was all said and done the little Canadian with the rosy cheeks had outpitched that tub of lard and 'roids (tm 2632), Roger Clemens, denying the Rocket his 350th win.

I'm thankful that I'll always have that memory of Erik, and I wish him the best of luck in Seattle.

Well, this winter brilliantly encapsulates the problem at the top that's made the O's sort of a joke franchise for roughly a decade now. ~Rob Neyer

by Stacey on Feb 4, 2008 4:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I remember this game
What a game. What a bleepin' game.

by pipkin on Feb 4, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was at this game!
I was at this game!!! It was AMAZING!!!
It was actually the first game i went to of the 2007 season :)

The last game I saw Bedard pitching in person was on August 21 when we played the Rangers and Bedard had 11 strikeouts tying the single season strikeout record with 218. That was one of the best games i went to! I will never forget these games, and the dominance of Erik!
I will definitely miss you Bedard!

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by DaughtryDoll23 on Feb 4, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the memories, Erik!
I'm really not happy about letting you go; not one bit.  But shit happens and this happens to be a shitty team.  All the best to you in Seattle!!

by Bluehen on Feb 4, 2008 5:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am really happy with this offseason.
I didn't think we would be able to trade both Tejada and Bedard and in the process bring in the best positional prospect in the game.  The next step for McPhail is working on the present and actually trying to field a major league ready ballclub this season, even if we lose 100+ games. Hopefully this can be reminiscent of Mark Shapiro trading Colon and his expiring contract to Omar Minaya's Expos and getting Grady Sizemore out of it. Does anybody remember who else Cleveland got in that deal. As great as Sizemore is, Jones has a higher ceiling than him, correct?
"All I have to say is our partner is going to shock the world because he is none other than THE SHOCKMASTER!"-Sting

by jobe on Feb 4, 2008 5:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah...
also got brandon phillips and cliff lee.  nice haul!
So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Feb 4, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

re
"As great as Sizemore is, Jones has a higher ceiling than him, correct?"

I haven't heard the Sizemore comparison.  I have read that he compares favorable to Torii Hunter and Mike Cameron but that he has shown more raw power earlier in his career than either of those guys.  Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Sizemore fan (not Tom) so if he is said to have a higher ceiling than Grady I'm stoked.

"When you are in with the Lord there's just one reward, and they'd just as soon make it come true." -REK

by BPinOK on Feb 4, 2008 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sickels
Sickels' take on Jones

And Butler

Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not the ice cream flavor.

by birdman on Feb 4, 2008 6:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and that was BEFORE last year
Jones is the real deal.
FUCK MASCOT MILLAR and HORSESHIT HUFF

by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Feb 4, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahahahahaha
From SC's post about losing faith in Bedard:
If Erik Bedard is mediocre at best the rest of this season and he shows up next year and he's lights-out all year, I won't be surprised. But I can't keep going into Bedard's starts thinking he's going to pitch well, because it's just damned frustrating when he doesn't. The less I invest in Bedard at this point, the better, I think.

On the other side of this is Daniel Cabrera, who is a guy with whom I should probably let expectations wane, but I can't help it. He throws 100. He's still very inexperienced. And I don't think anyone will ever accuse Cabrera of being indifferent to his performance.

My, how time flies.


Batting fourth....playing center field....

by zknower on Feb 4, 2008 8:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yup

Gone but not forgotten...

by SC on Feb 4, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

guthrie staff ace?
my money is on Loewen getting that role if not at the start, within months, strong canadian lefty, i like canadian lefty's
Earl:"I'm going back to the dugout to check my rule-book!" Umpire:"Earl, I have one right here." Earl:"That's no good, I don't read Braille."

by kevgracie on Feb 4, 2008 9:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

re:
Loewen was a walk machine with a 1.75 WHIP before he went down. Guthrie posted a 1.21 WHIP. I don't expect history to repeat with Guthrie, but at least he has control. Loewen may have potential, but if he can't reign in the control he'll be a lefty Daniel Cabrera.
"This is Birdland"

by drj on Feb 4, 2008 11:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My money says
Loewen never amounts to anything. My heart hopes otherwise, but he wasn't impressing me much even before he went down.

sooo many pitches. It was like watching a lefty dcabs.

by pipkin on Feb 5, 2008 12:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

re:
I have never put any stock into Loewen, either. But I really do root for him. Even more than I do most O's.

Drop and drive, Adam.


Gone but not forgotten...

by SC on Feb 5, 2008 9:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair..
Early on, Bedard had a HUGE problem about not finishing off a batter... he would frequently hit a snag with an 8-10 pitch at bat and that would kill the game for him. It wasn't until he developed a couple more pitches and a supposed change of mentality that he turned the corner in a big way.

Hopefully Loewen figures it out.

by dfleis on Feb 5, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

olson, as well...
it's funny: you look at his major league numbers last year and he has a solid k rate and a not terrible (though not good, really) hr rate, but just those fucking walks!  his walk rate in the minors is ridiculously good, so i'm kind of psyched to see what a little more work w/ a big league pitching coach can/will do.

i'd say he has to be the early favorite for the 4th/5th spot in the rotation.  

a lot of people compare liz and cabrera, but one thing is that liz has a better k rate than cabrera had in the minors, better walk rate, has a full additional season of experience in the minors and has done so at the higher level.  cabrera, including rehab assignments, has only made ELEVEN starts above a ball...not even HIGH a!

So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Feb 5, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heart
Not my money, but my heart is on loewen being staff ace this year
Earl:"I'm going back to the dugout to check my rule-book!" Umpire:"Earl, I have one right here." Earl:"That's no good, I don't read Braille."

by kevgracie on Feb 4, 2008 9:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Two things
  1. I'm really glad that MacPhail appears to be able to bludgeon his way through Angelos's crapola to get trades done. Orioles fans deserve a chance to see a team with real, live promise for the future. And I'm very high on Jones...the rest of the package makes this deal simply a great one for the O's.
  2. Man, am I glad the Sox don't have to face Easy E four times a year. He'll still be one of my favorite pitchers to watch.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Feb 4, 2008 11:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

bludgeoning his way
That's been my point. The O's under Angelos have never attempted to unload talent with a plan for future growth. Angelos has always stated some desire to "put the best team out there for the fans" not realizing the team sucked (you figure the standings would be a hint). Then that talent walked.

I think it's amazing that MacPhail has been able to pull off these trades. Somehow he got Angelos to ultimately get the hell out of the way and let him attempt to make some progress for the future. As I stated before, I suspect he's needed an infinite reserve of patience. Maybe this will all fall apart if Angelos gets antsy because a trade doesn't pan out. But right now, MacPhail deserves some credit for what's happened to date (instead of a swipe from a Sun columnist about taking his time).

"This is Birdland"

by drj on Feb 5, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Best Buh-Dard memory
The Texas game this past year in Arlington when he set the club K record. I have never heard home announcers so awed by a visiting pitcher's performance. And not just awed, really: they were very close to openly rooting for him, sounding like people who'd somehow gotten a chance to see Koufax or Bob Gibson pitch one of those games when they were almost literally unhittable, and they figured Well, I'll be able to tell stories about this classic for a couple decades.

Second best Buh-Dard memory: getting to write BUH-DARD all the time.

Third best Buh-Dard memory: reading Javy's Best Buh-Dard memory. Cool!

I'm glad I like the Mariners, who've always been my favoritest coast team after The Freakin' A's. I wish both M. Erique and his new team well, and hope against hope that someday we will meet in the playoffs. I mean Buh-Dard might have another 10 years in him, right?

Forget it, Jake. It's Birdland.

by Titov on Feb 5, 2008 6:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'll add another...
Picking up Bedard in the middle rounds of my fantasy draft last year knowing he was going to pitch the lights out.

Still, I have to say that I got more satisfaction out of that Clemens game and all the other times he swamped the Yanks.

by silverstadium on Feb 5, 2008 8:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sort of related to all this...
anyone notice that miggy hit two jacks in the serie del caribe the other night?
So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Feb 5, 2008 10:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Roberts gone too?
Seems his departure to the Cubs will happen on the heels of a Bedard move.

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/02/05/roberts-headed-to-cubs-soon/

by ET90210 on Feb 5, 2008 11:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

nice post
So long Erik, you'll be greatly missed.

At least the O's were watchable every 5th day the last few years.  Now I'll be rooting for the M's every 5th day.

by Dingbat Charlie on Feb 5, 2008 4:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Geez...
Talk about sentimental. I know the guy is good, but it's not like he's Brooks Robinson or something. He only pitched for us for two years. Buck up. folks.

by RobG on Feb 5, 2008 4:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

THOSE WERE THE DAYS
Bedard was one of the only guys watchable the last two years. Every fifth day we had a chance.

He pitched for us for four years. And when he was healthy, he was at least competitive.

I'll miss him.


Gone but not forgotten...

by SC on Feb 5, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

also
7 years if you rooted for him from A-ball.

He was the team's most dominant SP in over 25 years!  Moose was great but never came close to Bedard's 2007.

by Dingbat Charlie on Feb 5, 2008 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

RE:
WHAT???  Mussina had years that were better than Bedard's 2007.  

Bedard 2007:  182 IP; 146 ERA+

Moose 1992:  241 IP; 157 ERA+
Moose 1994:  176 IP; 163 ERA+

And a couple of years that were just about as good:

Moose 1995: 222 IP; 145 ERA+
Moose 1997: 225 IP; 137 ERA+

Not to mention that the traitor didn't really have the same sort of injury problems that Erik has had and was more effective early on.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Feb 5, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
Mussina smokes Bedard. It's not close.

Gone but not forgotten...

by SC on Feb 5, 2008 6:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

heh
I knew I'd get dinged for that comment, and rightfully so.  I got caught up in the Bedard-love.

by Dingbat Charlie on Feb 6, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't remember Brooks
Just saying. I remember Bedard.

by Stacey on Feb 5, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

by the time i started following the o's...
brooksy was chuck thompson's color guy.  now, THOSE were the days!
So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Feb 6, 2008 9:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Chuck/Brooks: Good! John/Joe: Great!
Forget it, Jake. It's Birdland.

by Titov on Feb 6, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I should get the best of both worlds
with this trade.

I'll be able to watch Bedard regularly with the M's and hopefully watch Jones become a star with the O's (and maybe get a 1st rate big league pitcher out of the deal as well).

by timg56 on Feb 5, 2008 7:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is one long goodbye
Roch says Bedard still has not taken a physical. Expect no word today (Wed., Feb. 6). Maybe Bedard can plan a goodbye tour in Spring Training. One last pitching round in an O's uni to give the spring training folks a chance to say goodbye.
"This is Birdland"

by drj on Feb 6, 2008 9:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm so Buh-Dard fatigued
I think I voted for him by accident on Tuesday.
Forget it, Jake. It's Birdland.

by Titov on Feb 6, 2008 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

RE:
I'm starting to question whether this deal gets done.  If they really had an agreement, then a deal should have been completed by now.  This is getting ridiculous.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Feb 6, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
what the frick is taking so long?  How hard is it to get Bedard into Seattle & have the doctor give him the ol' how's your father?

Our fans are better than yours.

by OEutaw on Feb 6, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More on the other 4
prospects we'd get in buh-dard deal

http://orioles.scout.com/2/726335.html

"This ain't a football game, we do this every day." - Earl Weaver

by CamdenCrazy21 on Feb 6, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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