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Jim Hunter talks Terry Crowley, and I get gas

Earl Weaver once very famously said, "Terry Crowley's lucky he's in f***in' baseball, for crissake. He was released by the Cincinnati Reds, he was released by the f***in' g***amn Atlanta Braves. We saw that Terry Crowley could sit on his f***in' ass for eight innings and enjoy watchin' the baseball game just like any other fan, and has the ability to get up there and break one open in the f***in' ninth."

Terry Crowley's awesomely inept performance as hitting coach of the Baltimore Orioles for the last 647 seasons is well-documented. It's so well-documented, so painfully obvious, and so overdue for a righteous firing and chasing out of the coaching game that it makes one pull out one's hair in frustration that he still has a job to begin with.

Simply put, Terry Crowley's lucky he's in f***in' baseball, for crissake.

I'm not trying to harsh on The Crow as a man. He seems like a nice old codger, the sort of fellow you invite down to spring training to put on a uniform and wander around the field, sharing tales of when those were, in fact, the days, goils as goils and men as men, but seriously employing him as the hitting coach despite the fact that his teams fail to hit every season? What kind of morons are in favor of this?

Andy MacPhail let Dave Trembley pick his staff, and Trembley fired Leo Mazzone, yet stuck with Terry Crowley. We've unceremoniously canned Ray Miller for Leo because Leo was pals with Sam Perlozzo, then when Perlozzo managed his way off the bench, Trembley took over, let Leo finish out the year, and then they got rid of Mazzone for Trembley's old pal, Rick Kranitz.

The pitching coach changes like it's going out of style, because this team has operated under the false notion that it's the pitching -- and only the pitching -- that has made them suck for the last decade. They always field teams full of a couple of real hitters, a few past-their-primes name guys, and then they literally walk around ignoring facts and pretending that the team can hit.

Jim Hunter wrote a blog entry on Crowley over at the MASN web site, and it's more of the same.

"Crowley has calming effect on young hitters," it's titled. Well that's great. It's so great that Terry Crowley can be calming to overeager hitters, because surely there's no other hitting coach in the world that could muster a simple, "Son, I think you're pressing a little," and in addition to that, actually coach worth a damn.

At the end of the article, BJ Surhoff (in camp as a special instructor) says of Crowley, "He has experience with veterans as well as younger hitters. He finds a way to get it done."

I certainly respect Surhoff's opinion, and I guess he sure got some good work done with Crow, but what is this getting it done of which he speaks? When is this team, past two or three guys, going to start "getting it done"? Whatever way he's finding to get it done, it's not working.

The team won't hit this year, and Crowley will be at least partially to blame. I'm not saying Crowley or anyone else can take a handful of dung and make it chocolate, but at what point do results and legitimate, statistical performance take precedence over the fact that he's Terry Crowley, a halfassed old-timer Oriole pinch-hitter that clearly -- CLEARLY -- does NOT get it done as a hitting coach?

AND TEAM SPEED, FOR CRISSAKE...

Look, again, Terry Crowley could be worthy of sainthood for all I know. I'm not saying anything bad about the man behind the job. But the man in the job sucks at the job, and these stupid ass spring training stories have long since worn thin.

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Terry sucks.  The only player that seemed to respond to his help was Charles Johnson.  Otherwise, Crowley doesn't appreciate plate discipline and he wants players to hack away which would be fine if he teach these big cock suckers to hit the fucking ball out of the ball park then you can't make any god damned mistakes.

"We've unceremoniously canned Ray Miller for Leo"

Actually, Ray was sick and stepped down.  

Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.

by birdman on Mar 12, 2008 9:41 PM EDT   0 recs

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This post reminded of this article: Team Health Reports
Bancells gets bashed and I wonder how much of the injury time is due to the fact that the team has hired old guys, guys who sucked, and ultimately guys who didn't give a damn. I'm not saying anyone faked an injury, but one is more prone when you just don't care. I've run marathons and when a problem comes up after months of training, your body somehow wills it away. If you are running with no goal, every friggin' ache and pain bugs you.

In any event, this is a long way of saying that Crowley has been coaching a bunch of old washed guys, young guys who just aren't any good, and guys who don't give a damn. It's not easy to discern how truly awful the Crow has been. He's worked with a truly awful cast of characters.

This is Birdland

by drj on Mar 12, 2008 10:04 PM EDT   0 recs

Jim Hunter is a shiteater
Terry Crowley is a veteran Oriole, right? The same Orioles with ten straight losing seasons. I remember reading Men at Work by George Will, and there was a part about how Tony La Russa believed a pitcher was most vulnerable on the first pitch of an at bat, despite gobs and gobs of statistical evidence that it's the other way around. The book was written in 1988. I'm sure Tony has changed his mind just a little bit based on all the studies done on it, and Terry Crowley just doesn't want to change his ways.

Geez, Jim Hunter really gets on my nerves. Gary Thorne has made watching the Orioles just a little bit easier, but Hunter is just horrific.

"All I have to say is our partner is going to shock the world because he is none other than THE SHOCKMASTER!"-Sting

by jobe on Mar 12, 2008 11:06 PM EDT   0 recs

the game has passed the Crow by
hopefully, MacPhail and the new kid in the F.O. will eventually come up with someone that understands that the more people you get on base, the better chance you will score runs.  it really isn't that hard to understand, but it's gotta be an organizational thing.  they need to have an organizational direction that permeates through the ENTIRE organization.

allow me to get up on my soapbox for a moment.

it's an absolute DISGRACE that the O's minor league complex is three and a half hours away from the big leaguers.  i really think this has a HUGE impact on the skill training AND the motivation of young players coming up through the system.  the quicker they can get their collective asses out of Ft. Lauderdale and into the Vero Beach complex the better.  

to start with, Ft. Lauderdale stadium has to be the WORST actual facility other than the extra-wide leg room in the box seats.  that's awesome. but that's all thats awesome about that place.  the locker rooms are gross (yes, i've visited), the "indoor" batting cage is outside under a tent.  there's only one other full-sized field other than the stadium field.  and to top it off, planes take off mere yards from the left field foul pole.

so, to sum up this rambling post...Crowley's gotta go.  get someone in here that preaches patience and percentages.  more to Vero.

thanks for listening.

I came to Camden Yards to watch the O's and all I got was this lousy "Fenway South" t-shirt.

by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on Mar 12, 2008 11:37 PM EDT   0 recs

"Crowley has a calming effect...
on young hitters."  No. Actually,

Crowley has an enbalming effect on young OBPs.

Crowley has a drowning effect on young rallies.

Crowley has frightening defect in his brainpan.

Crowley has an alarming effect on my liver.

Forget it, Jake. It's Birdland.

by Titov on Mar 13, 2008 2:02 AM EDT   0 recs

Crowley is Competent
Crow can't step up to the plate and swing the bats for them. Too many players aren't interested in re-learning what they think got them to the Show in the ifrst place, much less from an "old" man. You can't teach unless you have a student who wants to learn. Erik Bedard is a real good pitcher, but he wanted nothing from Leo. The Orioles problems are certainly not due to Crowley. This team attracts poor players that no one else wants, or alienates those they draft and bring up. Calling Crowley a problem is like trying to clean up the whorehouse by firing the piano player!

by Rexx on Mar 13, 2008 9:59 AM EDT   0 recs

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What are the hitting philosophies The Crow teaches our players?  What we've heard thus far is a either (A) "Do whatever the hell you want, and I'll stand here and cheerlead." and (B) "Be more aggressive."

We don't need to even employ a hitting coach for (A), the ball girl can do that, and she'll probably be more effective at it than Crow.  (B) is the wrong  philosophy - Period. We need players to get on base and be selective in their AB.  To drive up pitch counts sky high and wreak havoc on bullpen arms - y'know, like good teams do.  


"Indeed"

by Jonnypops on Mar 13, 2008 10:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

cause/effect?
are there potentially great young hitters coming through the o's system that crow has fucked up?  are there great vet hitters that have crumpled under crow?

i don't look at him as this great negative, but more of a non-factor, so maybe a slight net negative in that he's kind of a waste, but, meh...

So, I said, uh, lama: how about a little something for the effort?

by jq higgins on Mar 13, 2008 11:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hear you...
...I think his coaching style more closely resembles that of Wallpaper, with a little "Be aggressive" BS thrown in there to make it look like he's actually doing something.  But my point is we don't need to pay anyone to do this - and that it might be nice to have a hitting instuctor that actually instucts and improves the fortunes of our lineup.  That man is not Terry Crowley, as ample statistical data tells us.

"Indeed"

by Jonnypops on Mar 13, 2008 11:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No, he is a negative
When you've convinced Jay Payton that he can get on top of ANY pitch near the zone and he expands his strike zone to ridiculous proportions, that is a negative effect.
"All I have to say is our partner is going to shock the world because he is none other than THE SHOCKMASTER!"-Sting

by jobe on Mar 13, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

is my R key not working?
that of course should be "an instructor that actually instructs".  oy vey.

"Indeed"

by Jonnypops on Mar 13, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

re:
The fact that his teams consistently underperform isn't a problem, huh? To each their own. There are no coaches or managers allowed as much rope to suck as Crowley has been given. His job is to get good results from the hitters. He fails every year.

Gone but not forgotten...

by SC on Mar 13, 2008 11:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

OK! OK! He's a nice man but he sucks as a coach.
For the last six years, I've been screaming until I pissed blood for "The Crows" head. I have watched the Oriole swingers try to pull outside pitchs for years, only to hit a weak grounder to shortstop more often than not for a rally killing DP. I'M damn sick of the man.
I thought it happier to be dead / to die for a World Series victory, than live for mediocerity.

by chalkdust on Mar 13, 2008 7:54 PM EDT   0 recs

Hey
I'd be curious as to what some fans think of Crowley. My impression has been that the "King of Swing" has been a popular figure in Baltimore, but I don't know that much about him as a batting instructor.

by camjame120 on Mar 13, 2008 9:58 PM EDT   0 recs

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He's a wonderful person. He was a popular role player, I've heard (a bit before my time). As a coach, there's a reason the fans have cried "THE CROW MUST GO" for a while.

Gone but not forgotten...

by SC on Mar 13, 2008 11:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He was good at one thing
as a player, as his 108 PH indicate. He made that go very far, which you have to respect (the guy never played a 100-game season, never had 250 AB and yet is remembered for hitting). Like Jerry Lynch, the Reds' great PH of a half-generation earlier, he was (a) good at using a naturally classic  stroke on the "one good [i.e. hittable] pitch" that most ABs afford a hitter; and (b) a fan favorite (though I never heard a rhythmic cheer for Crow like "Lynch In A Pinch!" for JL; see J. Brosnan, "Pennant Race"). Why he has been unable or unwilling to get young players to be more patient and work counts-- either for that "one good pitch" or to draw BB, the value of which has received steadily escalating recognition since he played (and even he must recognize that), is not clear.

Which is why I'd like to see his big behind headed out the door. I don't care about fan favorites, good clubhouse guys and all that crap (not to mention the "calming effect" noted above-- kee-ripes, the team has been calm for a decade and is about to be a calm 5th). So: Nice fella, goombye please. I know, I know: fat chance.

Forget it, Jake. It's Birdland.

by Titov on Mar 14, 2008 1:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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