Aaaaand it begins...

by KenDixonFanClub on Mar 25, 2008 9:29 PM EDT Comment 19 comments

...it being Jay Payton bitching about playing time. I didn't think this would happen at least till, y'know, the season started.

"Last year, I felt like when I came in, I knew if I had a good spring, that I might be able to win a job," Payton said. "This spring, all indications were that it wouldn't have mattered if I hit .700. It's been a little disheartening. I felt like I was pushed to the fourth outfielder's spot without having a chance to compete against two guys that have relatively little experience, even though they are good players and have a decent ceiling."

No Jay, it wouldn't matter, because there is almost zero chance, barring injury, of you matching the production of either Scott or Jones. And, more importantly, they'll be here in 2010, and you won't.

"I'm making more money than I've ever made in my career," Payton said.

The Os fiscal irresponsibility shouldn't guarantee you playing time.

Teams decide to take directions and you kind of have to deal with it. Hopefully if I'm not going to play a lot here, they'll do right by me and look for me to go somewhere else.

Believe me, Jay, we'd LOVE to send you somewhere else.

Who am I kidding, though? I'd bet that at the first sign of Scott struggling, Payton starts to steal his AB. Sigh.

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He's right, it probably wouldn't matter if he was hitting 700; but that's probably not a point you bring up when your OBP is in the 330's.

"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle

by BirdFanInPhilly on Mar 25, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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Thank you Flanny, Duquette, and Perlozzo. I do recall Perlozzo saying he was on board with Payton as a player who could contribute. Too bad it's really a negative contribution in 2007: -8.1 VORP, .256 BA, 668 OPS. At least he's signed only through 2008.

Let the good time roll. I think that the clubhouse has a lot of potential to really go sour, with all the half-ass shitty veterans thinking they belong on the field.

So, when doe Gibbons mouth off? I give him two weeks after the suspension ends.

by drj on Mar 25, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

request

I thought I already posted this but maybe not...anyway...may I use your crying oriole pic for my non-camden chat related fantasy baseball team?

"When you are in with the Lord there's just one reward, and they'd just as soon make it come true." -REK

by BPinOK on Mar 25, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

be my guest

by drj on Mar 25, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I cannot begin to imagine

giving a shit about one word Jay Payton has to say about anything. Wah wah playing time wah. How about stop being a shitty baseball player and someone will give you some playing time. OR how about you recognize that you got a shitty, misguided baseball team to give you more money than you're worth so you should just shut up and cash your ginormous paycheck.

by Stacey on Mar 25, 2008 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

HA!

stop being a shitty baseball player...an hope he rides the next unicorn out of town?

by j.q. higgins on Mar 26, 2008 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can't Pay Jayton

just make little dollhouses or something like Lester on The Wire while he waits out his contract in the dugout? That man needs a hobby - and bitchin' ain't a hobby.

by Jonny Pops on Mar 26, 2008 12:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

god, I hate this loser

by oriolez on Mar 26, 2008 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Man, I tried to tell y'all about some Jay Payton.

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by SC on Mar 26, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

KB

Hey SC, how are you going to make it through the year knowing that your man Kurt Birkins will be wearing another uniform (possibly for Esskay selling dogs in the stands)? I hope you'll be able to deal with this horrendous loss. Oh well, at least we still have Horseface Killah.

by goonybananas on Mar 26, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Payton

The dude hit waaaaaay under his career average in 07. His OPS+ has been consistently been 92 or higher ever year (except for 2004 when his OPS+ was 88) since 2002. Granted he's on the wrong side of 30, but given his history, I wasn't expecting an OPS+ of 74.

Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.

by birdman on Mar 27, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wait...

were there people really sticking up for jay payton here? ever?

by j.q. higgins on Mar 27, 2008 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

NO

Aubrey Huff has actually had some defenders. Jay and Jay? NEVER.

"Do we get some sort of prize?"

by duck on Mar 27, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh please

I remember some "It's not such a bad idea" B.S. when we signed Payton. Not only does he suck but he's kind of an a-hole. And I said it from day one.

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by SC on Mar 27, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll admit it

I said I didn't mind the Payton signing at the time. Why? Because it's a short contract. And because I didn't think he would suck so bad. Like i said before, look at his OPS+ history. Granted, he's on the wrong side of 30, but I didn't expected that BIG of a drop off (nor was expecting a 100 OPS+). The LF OPS in 2006 was something like .690. I thought if Jay could somewhat close to the way he's always played, it would be an upgrade. Plus, I thought he would platoon with Corey in CF which would help his production. As it turned out, he received most of his ABs in LF. Well, that was my thinking at the time, too bad Jay blew. That said, regression to his career mean isn't an outrageous to expect. I'm not high 90s OPS+ but something in the mid to upper 80s sounds reasonable. Or his 74 OPS + could be his new mean for the next few seasons. We'll see... unfortunately.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Mar 27, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll also admit it

I can't recall if I said it here, but I wasn't all that upset about him getting signed. I thought he'd at least give league average production. I was wrong. He sucked.

Formerly known as Javylicious.

by Stacey on Mar 27, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

my problem

And this was my problem from the get-go -- he doesn't actually make this team any sort of usefully better, and that was true the minute he was signed. An aging, no-power outfielder who can sorta play center field in a platoon with Patterson didn't really seem like something the team should have been worried about. Signing Payton and Huff was another example of what was wrong with this franchise.

Even if he regresses to his career mean, it career means dick all. Do we win 63 games instead of 62? I mean, really. Plus, I knew there'd be no platoon with Patterson. Platoons are great ideas but players get pissed off when they aren't playing every day if they're told they're the starter. They're hard to manage effectively.

Also, he's kind of an a-hole. Always has been. Putting him on a bad team wasn't going to help his attitude any.

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by SC on Mar 27, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Payton

"Even if he regresses to his career mean, it career means dick all. Do we win 63 games instead of 62?"

Now it means dick. Payton is completely useless on a rebulding team. Last year, when the O's fooled themselves into thinking they were contenders, I could see how he would have value because his career numbers were better than the LF crap in 2006. Unfortunately, Jay became the new LF crap in 2007. In any case, he's outta here at the end of the season if not sooner. Huff is a bigger drain on resources.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Mar 27, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The O's fooling themselves into thinking they were going to contend with crap signings like Payton and Huff is really more my point. There is no difference between 69-93 and 65-97. What was their ultimate, real goal? I refuse to believe this front office was so stupid as to think they were actually going to win 85 games by signing Jay Payton and Aubrey Huff. If my stupid ass can look at a stat sheet and go, "Wow, Huff ain't the hitter he used to be," or, "Gosh, Payton's a fourth outfielder," then I want to believe in my heart that Mike Flanagan can do the same thing.

I just realized I'm no longer even having a discussion with you, and instead have gotten pissed off at the Orioles front office boners again. I wonder how many times a year I do that?

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by SC on Mar 28, 2008 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs