Jay Gibbons may get what he wants

by duck on Mar 27, 2008 9:49 AM EDT in News

Resolution of Gibbons' situation could affect roster decisions

Possible lifting of punishment would affect O's moves

By Jeff Zrebiec

Sun Reporter

March 27, 2008

JUPITER, Fla.

The Orioles might not have two extra weeks to decide the fate of veteran outfielder Jay Gibbons, after all.

The commissioner's office and the players union are negotiating changes to Major League Baseball's drug policy in the wake of the Mitchell Report, and the result could be the rescinding of Gibbons' 15-day suspension for violating the substance-abuse prevention program....

The possibility of his and Kansas City Royals outfielder Jose Guillen's suspension being lifted was first reported by the Associated Press. Orioles manager Dave Trembley and president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail acknowledged that the club is aware of the possibility. Officials from MLB and the players union did not return calls seeking comment.

Maybe this will force PGA to cut Jay - it's obvious he has no business taking a spot on the 40-man roster, let alone going north with the team. The man, quite simply, is no longer a competent ML player. He serves no purpose.

Do the right thing, Peter - cut Jay Gibbons.

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Much as I wish it were true...

I just don't see it happening.

It's a lot of money. I think the magic number is 10. If we were in single digits, he'd probably get cut. At 11.5 or whatever - probably going to be there on Opening Day.

What a complete waste.

From the Land of Pleasant Living...

by OEutaw on Mar 27, 2008 10:03 AM EDT 0 recs

Is that ad from camden chat?

Or Baltimore Sun? Either way, it's annoying.

I don't think it'll happen either, but imagine what a breath of fresh air it would be if the Orioles announced they were cutting Gibbons and Payton because they are impeding the goal of the Orioles to rebuild? It'd make my day.

Formerly known as Javylicious.

by Stacey on Mar 27, 2008 10:08 AM EDT 0 recs

Which ad?

My school has an aggressive ad blocker, so I can't see it.

"Do we get some sort of prize?"

by duck on Mar 27, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up 0 recs

Schmuck

actually had a very valid point this morning. That money's spent either way, we might as well just get rid of him and move on and win more ballgames. Either way it's the club eating 11.5 million dollars.

by elk on Mar 27, 2008 10:26 AM EDT 0 recs

For one in a blue moon

Peter Schmuck makes a valid point. Do we want to pay him 11.5 to go away or pay him 11.5 to make our lineup worse when he's in it?

"Do we get some sort of prize?"

by duck on Mar 27, 2008 10:29 AM EDT up 0 recs

and

if somebody picks him for league minimum, that money will be knocked off the balance of the contract.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Mar 27, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up 0 recs

check out that pic

"I abandoned my child!"

by Jonny Pops on Mar 27, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up 0 recs

I don't think he'll be cut

He's owed 11 million over the next two years. At the very least, in the short run I expect the O's to keep trotting him out there hoping they'll get some return on their money. Question is, how does he have?

by drj on Mar 27, 2008 10:31 AM EDT 0 recs

NONE

as he showed last year and in ST this year. There's no there there. Get him off the roster and put in someone who someday may actually contribute to this team.

"Do we get some sort of prize?"

by duck on Mar 27, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up 0 recs

I'm not disagreeing

The guy is most likely going to be toast, and as j.q. says below, you can do just as well (or better) with a league average player. IMO, that's how a MLB team should be thinking. But this is the Orioles and past history says they keep trotting out Gibbons. Maybe MacPhail will change this, but there are no such indications to date. I think at the very least they are going to trot him out and "prove" he's toast. Think Russ Ortiz and Jim Brower and Jay Gibbons (circa 2007).

by drj on Mar 27, 2008 10:58 AM EDT up 0 recs

Gibbons

A waste of a roster spot,money,time invested & its
time to bite the bullet.

by hagers on Mar 27, 2008 10:38 AM EDT 0 recs

yeah...

honestly, if you cut the jays and replace w/ dudes playing for league minimum, you could most likely improve output in a much greater proportion to the additional cost.

i say EAT IT!

by j.q. higgins on Mar 27, 2008 10:40 AM EDT 0 recs

Cut Him!

Jay needs to sit at home this season and count the cash he "earned".

Of course PA will never do the right thing and cut him because he wants to get at least a little something out of that $11.5 million he not so wisely invested.

by TBA on Mar 27, 2008 11:09 AM EDT 0 recs

I want to see Jay playing every day this season...

For the York Revolution

by BrianS on Mar 27, 2008 11:34 AM EDT 0 recs

Sunk Cost Fallacy

As others--and the Schmuck have said--the money is spent already. PA is falling prey to the sunk cost fallacy if he keeps Jay around for that reason alone.

I still hold out the tiniest glimmer of hope that he could turn it around so I would tell him to head to AAA. Why wouldn't he take it? No other team is going to give him a major league contract. Normally I'm not one for expecting players to be loyal, but in this case Gibby must know he's bilking this club for money he doesn't deserve. If he's going to have play in the minors, it might as well be for the team that's shelling out big bucks for him. If he turns it down, as his contract allows, and decides to leave town, so be it.

I hope MacPhail puts his foot down on this one. Roster spots are precious--even on a rebuilding team--and we can't waste one on dead weight.

by silverstadium on Mar 27, 2008 11:47 AM EDT 1 recs

PA should...

Pull a Ponson - cut him & refuse to pay, ostensibly over the steroid flap. He should make Gibby file a grievance then get up on his high horse so a bunch of jackass journalists get behind him when he says some bullshit like "People who fake their abilities by using PEDs don't deserve to be paid." He should turn it into a whole morality play so the players and the union cut Gibbons loose for fear of looking bad.

Oh...and then he needs to sell the team. Since no FAs are going to ever want to deal with him again. WIN-WIN for the fans!!!

by Jonny Pops on Mar 27, 2008 12:47 PM EDT 0 recs

Good thing you had that last sentence, 'cause that was the first thing that popped into my mind

Scary stuff - sometimes we do think alike.

by drj on Mar 27, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up 0 recs

when it comes to cynical realpolitik

you and I are right here (gesturing from eye to eye).

by Jonny Pops on Mar 27, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up 0 recs

Gibbons

Jay is a decent player. Good luck, boy.

by vityhg on Mar 27, 2008 8:50 PM EDT 0 recs

You have a kind definition of "decent."

Camden Chat
Bad Left Hook

by SC on Mar 27, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up 0 recs

We've now identified...

the Camden Chat ID of Jay Gibbons' mother.

"Do we get some sort of prize?"

by duck on Mar 27, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up 0 recs

Ominous signs for Jay

Two comments from Trembley:

From Roch's blog:

"Trembley also said he can't have guys on this team who are one-dimensional."

That doesn't bode well for a player like Jay who is...zero-dimensional.

From this morning's Sun:

Trembley took most of the responsibility for the shoddy outfield play in Wednesday's loss, which included two dropped fly balls. "That's my fault, because I had the wrong guys out there," he said. "I won't have the wrong guys out there the next time. You have to be able to make the routine plays. If you can't make the routine plays, it's the big leagues, you shouldn't be out there. I don't mean to be disrespectful to anybody, but come on, it's late in the spring, and when things like that happen, that's not acceptable."

Emphasis is mine.

by silverstadium on Mar 28, 2008 9:34 AM EDT 0 recs