O's over/under of 64.5 games??
Have people seen the over/under games that vegas has put on the O's? Seems ridiculously low at 64.5 wins, particularly considering the following:
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Not to steal your thunder,

MelMo happy again!!
by zknower on Mar 5, 2008 11:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ok, wrong expression
"not to rain on your parade"
or
"not to piss in your cornflakes"
or
"not to take the wind out of your sails"
or something like that.

MelMo happy again!!
by zknower on Mar 5, 2008 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
64.5 wins
Why? The team is basically the same as last year except Bedard, Tejada, and probably Roberts will be gone. Millar and Mora are likely bets to decline. The OF should be a bit better though. The BP will suck again. I can't see the rotation improving upon last year with Bedard gone. 64.5 sounds about right.
Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.
by birdman on Mar 6, 2008 1:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
by Slobbity on Mar 6, 2008 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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64.5 wins is actually a very reasonable prediction. This team won 69 games last year with Erik Bedard and MIguel Tejada.
On paper, they are really, really terrible. The team's best player (by far) is Nick Markakis. The Red Sox have, what, six or seven guys that will perform at Nick's level?
This sort of thinking -- "We're not THAT bad!" -- has been a pox on the team in the last decade. The organization has built clubs with the theory that they really did a good job, it's just been bad luck! No, the teams suck awful. Everyone in the league has more players that have proven to be good at the major league level (and remain in a position to be good) than the O's.
The bright side is that this team might actually have a future.

Gone but not forgotten...
by SC on Mar 6, 2008 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
totally disagree
i have no doubt we're going to be bad, but i also think 64.5 games is way too low. we keep talking about losing tejada and losing bedard, but what about the pieces we've gained? jones will easily outhit corey and luke scott/nolan reimold/scott moore/whatever should crush the slop we threw out there last year in left. if jones and markakis take a step forward, as young players should, the offense should be about what it was last year, if not better. not great, but not 64.5 wins bad. oh yeah, tejada's OPS was .799 last year. he sucked and played lousy shortstop. we didn't lose a thing when we made that trade.
the bullpen was nearly historically bad last year, wasn't it? just flat out terrible. i think there's enough talent in there to see improvement, which should somewhat make up for bedard leaving. does loewen step up? does guthrie pitch well again? how about cabrera?
lots of questions of course, but i think we'll be better than anyone realizes. in fact, i'm predicting 75 wins this season. that's right, i said it. young teams always come around a lot quicker than people think.
it's march, i can talk this way if i want.
by joet on Mar 6, 2008 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
70 wins is not out of the question,
by jobe on Mar 6, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey I hope you're right
Ortiz
Ramirez
Lowell
Beckett
Youkilis
Drew, maybe
Papelbon (I know, one inning, but he's shutdown)
And then there's Jacoby Ellsbury, Matsuzaka, Pedroia -- they're a team loaded with good players. The bullpen is pretty terrific. They have just as much quality young pitching as we do, and theirs is closer to being ready for the bigs.
I'm not downgrading Markakis, I'm downgrading, you know, the rest of the team, or damn close to all of it, anyway. The Orioles for years have fielded these lame ass teams and someone in their office actually thought they'd done a good job of putting a competitive squad together. At least this year they've cut the shit.
THIS is not a rebuilding season. This is the beginning of rebuilding. This is a forfeit year, for all intents and purposes.
the bullpen was nearly historically bad last year, wasn't it? just flat out terrible.
It was hardly any better the year before, when we all talked about the historically bad bullpen that needed to be salvaged, thus it actually almost kind of made sense for the Orioles to sign three old relievers of marginal value.

Gone but not forgotten...
by SC on Mar 6, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think
by jobe on Mar 6, 2008 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WHEN DID I SAY MARKAKIS ISN'T GOOD?

Gone but not forgotten...
by SC on Mar 7, 2008 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick had an .847 OPS last year
by jobe on Mar 7, 2008 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for the love of God
I'm saying that the rest of the team either sucks or is a giant question mark. I'm not saying anything remotely like "Nick Markakis isn't all that good." Nick Markakis is really good. But you need more than one player to not flirt with losing 100 games. Better-looking teams than this one have done it.
The point is that 64 games is not this absurd dig at the Orioles. They are fucking terrible on paper when stacked up against the rest of the league, and all this "Yeah but!" stuff bewilders me. Why hide from the fact that this team is going to be horrible? And if you really feel all that strong about it, place your bets with the Vegas oddsmakers and feel awesome if they go 66-96, which would be an entire three-game decline from last year's piece of crap team.
"Hope springs eternal" is not part of my plan for this year, because it would be a lie. This is a team designed to be bad in the hopes that it will get better with the experience and the loss of some of the dead weight like Gibbons and Payton and Huff and Millar and Mora. Why people are up in arms over the projection of the Orioles as the worst team in baseball when it's tremendously easy to argue for just that is beyond me. I'm a fan, too, but I'm not going to fool myself. I'm excited for the season to see some of these guys play and maybe get a glimpse of what could be, but we're going to lose a lot of games.

Gone but not forgotten...
by SC on Mar 7, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.
by birdman on Mar 7, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never said that we were good...
by Slobbity on Mar 6, 2008 10:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Too low?

"Indeed"
by Jonnypops on Mar 6, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no one is standing by their statements....
by Slobbity on Mar 6, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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It's a perfectly reasonable Vegas line. People acting like it's some terrible insult to the try-hard Orioles who are lining up a bunch of old farts, retreads and a few young talents en route to rebuilding are fooling themselves.

Gone but not forgotten...
by SC on Mar 6, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no one is standing by their statements....
Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.
by birdman on Mar 6, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
consider it done..
by Slobbity on Mar 7, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're going down!
Rocky Cherry, O's pitcher, not John C. McGinley's love child.
by birdman on Mar 7, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm taking the under
by dfa on Mar 6, 2008 1:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
so...
otherwise your words mean nothing.
by Slobbity on Mar 6, 2008 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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The wildcard is whether the team reverts to the heartless bunch of assholes we've seen for many a second half of the season (and even into May, like under Perlozzo). Maybe the young team will continue to plow on and stay motivated by the fact they have nothing to lose and only a future to gain. They better, or I'm not watching.
"This is Birdland"
by drj on Mar 6, 2008 1:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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I still have a sour taste in my mouth about going to a game at Fenway last year. It was the day before the Mother's Day meltdown. A game that Trax started (I got tickets from a buddy, I didn't choose to see him) and Leicester had to be pulled with an injury (fake or not, I dunno). The O's gave up in that game. It was a one run game until Perlozzo let Leicester get creamed. The kid got out of one inning in relief of Trax (the 6th?) and was in trouble in the next. He was pleading to come out, as I'll assume his arm was hurting. Perlozzo was standing at the railing ignoring him and every single player, save one, was sitting on there ass looking disinterested. The only guy reacting was Walker. He was standing at the bullpen fence watching the action, kicking the dirt, muttering something. Anyhow, after the game is blown open and Leicester is slumping his shoulder, Perlozzo finally comes out. Leicester goes to the dugout and not a single player moved.
I vowed never to waste my time and money the rest of the season on the heartless assholes after that game. I canceled plans to go to a game with the family (we usually try to get together once a season). I still went home, but we went nowhere near the stadium. I'll wipe the slate clean now, but they better play hard and give a damn.
"This is Birdland"
by drj on Mar 6, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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