The Big Hurt in Charm City?
Its probably just complete speculation, but I just watched a clip of baseball tonight where Steve Phillips said that Seattle, Oakland and Baltimore are possible suitors for the Big Hurt. I was surprised to hear that, but I would definitely enjoy seeing him play above Audrey the Huffinator. It obviously isn't a part of rebuilding, but a one year deal wouldn't cost much and it would give us something else to watch during these bleak times. I would like to see it happen, at least he knows how to hit, and just a wee bit more intimidating in the clean up role than KevBo.
What are your thoughts on the Big Hurt in Charm City?
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Some protection for

is better than what we have now…
as long as it’s cheap protection.
Improving the ballclub: Not one of Peter Angelos' concerns.-SC Wed Jan 30, 2008
by dayzd toe on Apr 21, 2008 10:19 AM EDT 0 recs
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let’s have a thread where we only communicate by pictures
"We might as well just win this game." -Adam Jones
by exitfare on
Apr 21, 2008 10:39 AM EDT
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Come to think of it...
Captain Condom would be a good nickname for Audrey… You NEVER buy cheap condoms and you should NEVER have Aubrey Huff on your rebuilding team.
Improving the ballclub: Not one of Peter Angelos' concerns.-SC Wed Jan 30, 2008
by dayzd toe on
Apr 21, 2008 10:45 AM EDT
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no.
It would be the exact opposite of what this club should be doing and the exact thing that this club has spent too many dollars doing in the past. For another thing, Thomas has hit like shit this year.
It’s a terrible, horrible idea. He makes sense for Seattle. He makes none for us.
Steve Phillips says LOTS of things. Where will Baltimore play him? Over Millar or Huff? Why bring in a 40-year old man to take plate appearances away from two guys you hope to trade?
Where will Oakland play him? They have Jack Cust AND Mike Sweeney.
Here’s the deal. Steve Phillips - who is an idiot - went, “Well, he played in Oakland before and they liked him, and Baltimore is 11-8 and needs a hitter if they hope to contend…”
Seattle makes sense. It’s where I figure he’ll wind up.
by SC on Apr 21, 2008 10:53 AM EDT 0 recs
Sadly
out of all of those Baseball Tonight people, Steve Phillips is one of the more bearable ones.
"We might as well just win this game." -Adam Jones
by exitfare on
Apr 21, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
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I find him absolutely intolerable
Exchanges between Steve-o and “Krukie” give me gas. I can barely watch BBTN anymore, and it used to be one of my favorite parts of the day.
by SC on
Apr 21, 2008 11:08 AM EDT
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Steve Phillips
is really stupid. Did you know he was General Manager of the New York Mets? Eduardo Perez and Chris Singleton are losers but not bad. Remember when they had Bobby V AND HR??? That was awesome.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on
Apr 21, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
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Bobby V was great
Eduardo Perez seems awkward on camera. Maybe he’ll get better as time goes on. I haven’t even seen Singleton yet. I like EY!
by SC on
Apr 21, 2008 11:32 AM EDT
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that's what i am saying
it’s so bad that he is the most tolerable.
"We might as well just win this game." -Adam Jones
by exitfare on
Apr 21, 2008 11:29 AM EDT
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kruk
I don’t know how Kruk is still on TV. And why wear a suit?
He looks like a loaf of bread stuffed into a thimble.
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by OEutaw on
Apr 22, 2008 10:52 AM EDT
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No way, Philips is the worst
It’s pretty bad when it’s Kruk and Philips as the “analysts”; and it’s Kruk that is the smart one. I don’t know how Karl Ravech doesn’t have a headache every night.
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by BirdFanInPhilly on
Apr 21, 2008 12:04 PM EDT
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just be thankful stephen a. smith doesn't do baseball (anymore)
i’m appreciative of all these fuckups for not being as intolerable as the two worst sports analysts on television:
1. Stephen A. Smith
2. Skip Bayless
by Y Not on
Apr 21, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
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Thomas was horrible last April and May, but he picked up as the season progressed.
He would sign for the minimum or close too it since Toronto is still on the hook for him this year, and he would just want a place where he can get AB’s to re-establish value. Possibly for less than a million dollars.
If Thomas started hitting again, he would be much easier to trade than Huff or Millar and could retrieve a prospect or two.
Seattle makes sense, but Seattles GM is a moron, so who really knows about that. Under the right circumstances, I think it makes some sense for us, and I wouldn’t mind seeing it happen.
by Reddrummer9187 on
Apr 21, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
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Picking up 40-year old designated hitters with injury histories is the exact opposite of rebuilding. Huff and Millar were here when MacPhail got to town.
by SC on
Apr 21, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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I know its not rebuilding, but Thomas would be a stopgap more than anything. But, a one year deal is not the opposite of rebuilding. Millar is at 1B but Thomas is just a DH at this point so i dont think it takes much playing time from Millar. Huff is garbage and a sunk cost, so if we can go out and find a guy to be more productive and possibly be trade bait for next to nothing, why not do it?
MacPhail’s doing a great job in my opinion and i know he didnt sign Huff and Millar.
by Reddrummer9187 on
Apr 21, 2008 11:28 AM EDT
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we have stopgaps
Millar and Huff are stopgaps. You can’t just sit Aubrey Huff on the bench. You have to try to get something out of him.
by SC on
Apr 21, 2008 11:30 AM EDT
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I can and i would
Bench Audrey. Its not like he has much value at all, a DH who is not a great hitter, if he doesn’t have value right now he wont have value no matter how many AB’s we give him. Having the Big Hurt at DH might make things more tolerable for Markakis, Jones, and the few fans in the stands, and if its at the minimum I would do it.
by Reddrummer9187 on
Apr 21, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
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Markakis is doing just fine, dude. Jones bats seventh.
Huff absolutely can’t have value if he’s sitting on the bench doing nothing. If he catches a hot streak he can be traded as a lefty bat with some power and positional flexibility. Frank Thomas is a 40 year old man who gets injured all the time. How much better do you legitimately think he makes this team as compared to Aubrey Huff? Three wins? Four, maybe? It would make sense to bench Aubrey Huff if, like, Nolan Reimold is on fire and he needs to get some ABs in the majors. It does not make any sense to replace him with an even older player who isn’t going to make us contenders or anything close to it.
I don’t really care if the fans enjoy it or not, to be honest. The team is going the right way. It’s the completely wrong time to sign Frank Thomas.
by SC on
Apr 21, 2008 12:15 PM EDT
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What i meant in the Jones/Markakis comment is that they would probably prefer to play with somebody like Thomas over Huff. At least Thomas was a stud back in the day. I think its important to keep those two happy and was not a comment related to their performance at all.
Execs aren’t dumb enough to just trade for a player b/c he’s hot at the time, we know what we can expect from Huff and its not much.
Baseball is a business and from a business perspective I think it makes sense in the short-term and I don’t believe it would hurt the rebuilding process; you may not care about putting fans in the stands, but that is part of the job description of a GM.
by Reddrummer9187 on
Apr 21, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
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Do you really think that one aging slugger is going to put more fans in the park for the entire year? They stopped showing up when we had more proven good players than we have now. Frank Thomas is not going to make a big difference in the stands.
Execs aren’t dumb enough to just trade for a player b/c he’s hot at the time
Yes they are. Execs are dumb enough to do lots of things. Juan Pierre’s contract, for starters. Signing Aubrey Huff and Jay Payton because it will improve the team in a notable way. Trading for Sammy Sosa. Getting Andruw Jones after signing Juan Pierre with guys like Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier ALREADY THERE. Trading for Steve Trachsel. Trading for Kris Benson. Trading for Jaret Wright.
Why would Jones and Markakis prefer to play with Frank Thomas instead of Aubrey Huff? Maybe those guys really like Aubrey Huff. Maybe he’s really nice. Frank Thomas just got essentially kicked the fuck off of a team for being a dickhead—there’s really no other way to put it. They sent a Hall of Fame-bound hitter who contributed to their team one year ago packing because he was an asshole to the 24 other guys on the roster.
Trust me, I understand business. But their marketing is about the future. It’s going to look kind of like the same old shit if they go out and sign Frank Thomas.
by SC on
Apr 21, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
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I do think that one aging slugger would add to the attendance. Wins mean revenue, and i think that while it may not be a tremendous increase it would be an increase – even if he only adds 2 or 3 wins it would help revenue.
I sure hope that another GM is dumb enough to trade for Huff, but i dont think its gonna happen. I hope you are right though.
Hey if Thomas is actually a dick, then I wouldn’t want him signed, but i dont know him and I dont trust how the media portrays most people. So I dont know what to make of him being released. My gut instinct is that it has something to do with that $10 million option that he would have gotten with more plate appearances, and the Blue Jays spun it this way so Thomas got the bad PR instead of waiting for him to start hitting. But who knows.
We traded Tejada and Bedard, and Roberts, Razor, Sherrill and others probably wont be here come August. That outweighs spending $500,000 on a one year deal with a veteran. We probably would even get articles saying how he is there to “mentor the kids”. Its not the same old because it would be a one year deal and he wouldn’t be expected to be our savior.
In an ideal world we would go out and trade for Steve Pearce or Joe Koshansky or a blocked prospect of that nature. I just think singing Thomas would be an interesting idea to consider.
by Reddrummer9187 on
Apr 21, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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Thomas over Huff = substantial wins?
I’ll beg to differ.
by SC on
Apr 21, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
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Few fans?
There was an awful lot of orange and black out at the yard this weekend. Just saying.
You are the David Steele of CC.com.
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by Ghost of Floyd Rayford on
Apr 21, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
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I went to a game last year against Seattle and there were more Mariners fans than Orioles fans. I dont know what Mariner fans are doing in Baltimore but it was pathetic. Other than this series the ballpark has been empty. I dont see how you can argue that attendance is alright when we just set a record low for attendance at a game.
I resent that David Steele comment.
by Reddrummer9187 on
Apr 21, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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Attendance
4/20: 37,501
4/19: 41,776
4/18: 40,653
Sure, other games were down, but it’s not like 20k+ MFY fans showed up this weekend.
"I win! I think I'm better at chess than you, Dad." - My 7 year old, after he beat me for the first (and not last) time.
by duck on
Apr 21, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
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The other games were way down, and maybe the yankee fans were there just not as obnoxious since they didn’t really have much to cheer for.
by Reddrummer9187 on
Apr 21, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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Scott Christ, Voice of Reason
Maybe it’s time for the Big Hurt to hang ‘em up, instead of hanging on? But anyone who looks at the direction the franchise has taken in the past nine months should know that this just isn’t going to happen.
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by Ghost of Floyd Rayford on
Apr 21, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
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boy...
mlb traderumors just brought up a great point: seattle has no business talking to him! jeff clement is KILLING the ball at aaa right now.
batting near .400, ops is 1.218…c’mon, [seattle] dudes. let him play!
"Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones."
by j.q. higgins on Apr 21, 2008 11:14 AM EDT 0 recs
yeah sure
But these schmucks had Vidro DHing all last year. I expect no less.
by SC on
Apr 21, 2008 11:16 AM EDT
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Seattle can take Thomas
and we’ll take Clement
"We might as well just win this game." -Adam Jones
by exitfare on
Apr 21, 2008 2:52 PM EDT
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I'm with SC
Signing The Big Hurt makes as much baseball sense as signing Barry Bonds for the O’s. April has been nice, but don’t fool yourselves – this team isn’t contending for anything besides staying out of fifth.
Thomas would simply eat up a roster spot that should be going to Scott Moore or Eider Torres or Alex Cintron any minute now. You would be getting the same player as Aubrey Huff (gee, starts slow in April and May…where have I heard that before?) and he’s 39 – he CANNOT play the field.
Actually, that’s a disservice to Huff – Huff can at least give Millar a day off at 1B and as we’ve seen, do emergency duty at 3B. Thomas would never take the field. Even if we used him off the bench, you’d STILL need to make another sub to take the field.
I realize it’s tempting because TOR is on the hook for that contract and whomever signs him will get him cheap, but he would serve no useful purpose in Baltimore. None.
"I win! I think I'm better at chess than you, Dad." - My 7 year old, after he beat me for the first (and not last) time.
by duck on Apr 21, 2008 12:54 PM EDT 0 recs
What's next for Frank Thomas?
He’ll be hired by a mentally defective spoiled brat who’s accomplished nothing on his own & owes his position entirely to his father, a father he secretly despises.
Yes, people, Frank Thomas will soon be named US Attorney General.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on Apr 21, 2008 3:03 PM EDT 0 recs
san fran, kansas city, oakland, seattle, maybe even tampa if they just get rid of dan johnson… could make sense for them to sign thomas… at this point, he better realize he should command a reduced amount of money..
by Y Not on
Apr 21, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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He gets almost $10M from TOR no matter what
Whatever he gets from his new team is subtracted from what TOR owes, so whomever picks him up is probably paying veteran minimum.
Remember, MLB has guaranteed contracts. This ain’t the NFL.
"I win! I think I'm better at chess than you, Dad." - My 7 year old, after he beat me for the first (and not last) time.
by duck on
Apr 21, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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Or...
maybe he’ll end up working for Hank
There's no crying in baseball
by elktonfan on
Apr 21, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
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Heh heh
Very easy these days to confuse Fredo Steinbrenner with George the Lesser
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
by sluggo 2.0 on
Apr 21, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
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Someone may or may not have already said this, BUT...
does anyone here really think we are a “Frank Thomas” away from contending?! really? it would be the dumbest of the dumb moves to go after thomas. first, its a waste of money. second, no one comes to ballgames to see frank thomas anymore. third, you really want a surly me-first player leaving an impression on guys like jones, kakes, etc? fourth, its the exact kinda thing this team has done for years that we all get on them for continuously. and fifth, we’re rebuilding. thomas does NOT make the o’s lineup fierce, scary, deep, or any other adjective describing a good offensive lineup. they wouldnt be real contenders with him (at least anymore then they are now), and if anyone was willing to trade for him, they’d pick him up themselves. DONT DO IT.
by daveh873 on Apr 21, 2008 6:41 PM EDT 0 recs
I would love to see Frank Thomas as a short timer on this team if it were Frank Thomas v.2005. (I have no idea what his ‘03 stats were, but he was 3 years younger & that’s my point).
As it is we have a logjam of old dudes who don’t do any one thing particularly well.
No, thank you. And if MacPhail starts making moves designed to put asses in the seats he’s completely lost his mind.
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by OEutaw on Apr 22, 2008 10:55 AM EDT 0 recs
Steve Phillips on '08 O's: "...if they hope to contend." Um, duck: The 5th sign?
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by Titov on Apr 22, 2008 12:53 PM EDT 0 recs
Nah
I’m used to Steve Phillips being an idiot.
"I win! I think I'm better at chess than you, Dad." - My 7 year old, after he beat me for the first (and not last) time.
by duck on
Apr 22, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
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Pass
I guess you could say that it’s much more reasonable to believe that Thomas will bounce back in comparison to Huff. Thus Thomas could be traded in July for a prospect. In contrast, a bounch back and a trade is much more unlikely with Huff. I would still pass though. The benefit of Thomas seems potentially small, might as well tough it out with Huff.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Apr 22, 2008 3:43 PM EDT 0 recs
Over the Hill DHs
Either Frank Thomas or Barry Bonds would both probably help the Orioles more than Aubrey Huff does.
Bonds led the Majors in on-base percentage last year by a wide margin and hit 28 home runs in less than 400 at bats. He was easily more productive in a limited capacity than anyone on the Orioles last year. Thomas was also more productive offensively than any Oriole last year.
As for their me-first, clubhouse cancer reputations. Who cares? If they hit the way they hit last year (which is a big if), they would make the Orioles better. I don’t think Nick Markakis’ development will be stunted by Barry Bonds recliner in the locker room or Frank Thomas being a surly asshole and there is no younger player from which either of them would take away at-bats.
I’d sign either of them (or both) and give it a shot, but there is no way the Orioles would even dream of doing that.
by yurizanow on Apr 23, 2008 5:02 PM EDT 0 recs
Here's the problem.
Aubrey Huff is already HERE. He’s sunk cost. Now, you could eat his contract like they did with Gibbons. But you’d only be clearing Huff’s contract to bring in another tail-end-of-his-career DH. And how does that improve the club for the long term?
Eating Gibbons’ contract allowed the O’s room to give Scott Moore a place on the roster. Moore being sent down gave us room to bring Jim Johnson up and supposedly maximize the bullpen. Argue about the merits all you wish, but the O’s had the flexibility to make those moves by eating Gibbons’ contract. Eating Huff’s contract simply gives you room to replace Huff with someone older who will not be here in 2010. And it doesn’t matter how well that DH hits this year – he will not be here in 2010.
And it all comes back to 2010. We are NOT building for this year. This year’s wins and losses mean JACK. It’s about identifying and developing the 25-man and 40-man rosters you want to contend for the playoffs and potentially the World Series in 2010 and after. And the extra cost of eating Huff’s contract and adding either Thomas or Bonds does nothing to further that goal.
It’s about 2010, people. Don’t kid yourselves into anything else.
"I win! I think I'm better at chess than you, Dad." - My 7 year old, after he beat me for the first (and not last) time.
by duck on
Apr 23, 2008 5:44 PM EDT
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who on earth is saying Huff is as good as Barry Bonds or Frank Thomas?
The point is we don’t need a middle-aged DH to wind up with 65-75 wins this season. Signing either of these guys would make me throw the towel in on believing in Andy MacPhail and his vision for the team, which thus far I’ve been quite impressed with. He got a lot of talent out of Bedard and Tejada.
by SC on
Apr 24, 2008 1:43 AM EDT
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This is all just bar talkin'
because the Orioles aren’t going to do anything, but if the Orioles had either Thomas or Bonds and they played sorta like they did last year, the O’s would be probably better than they will be this year without them. Furthermore, neither of them would take anything away from the players the Orioles are hoping to develop because they would be the DH and that position is currently filled by a marginal player with no more upside than either of them, so I wouldn’t necessarily see it as throwing in the towel.
by yurizanow on
Apr 24, 2008 9:44 AM EDT
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It runs absolutely completely counter to what the organization is trying to accomplish as a whole. Bonds had a 6.4 WARP3 last year, and Thomas was at 5.4 (Markakis, by the way, was at 8.4, and Roberts at 9.4). They are still very good hitters, both of them. Bonds is still a great hitter because he walks at an unbelievable rate and can hit homers at a great pace, but come on. The Orioles will finish in 4th, at best, with or without either of them.
I mean, if you sign Bonds or Thomas, then what road does that lead you down? Hey, we just won 10 of 15, let’s trade for Tom Glavine. It would be a gateway drug into backpedaling away from rebuilding because, shockingly, folks aren’t filling the ballpark for a bunch of mediocre veterans and a few good young players. In the words of the immortal Gomer Pyle, “Surprise, surprise!’ Before you know it, a mild slump will lead to Luke Scott being replaced by “Knows How to Win” Jay Payton, and that fuckin’ Javy Lopez will find his way back into the clubhouse. Aubrey Huff will start at shortstop. It’ll be anarchy at the Wal-Market.
by SC on
Apr 24, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
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I see you point
If Yuri Zanow, general manager of the Baltimore Orioles, ran the show, I’d probably sign or both of them for a one year contract because either one would improve the offense, neither would take any time away from a developing player, and, who knows, maybe one or two young players would learn something from being around the greatest right and left handed hitters of our time. When the year is up, get rid of them and we’re no worse for wear.
At some point the organization has to acknowledge that there has to be some real power (not up-to-this-point Nick Markakis power) in the lineup and I think it would benefit the fan base to be reminded of that as well. I think there are a lot of younger Oriole fans (not ones one this site) who think Tejada was a sufficient clean-up hitter and that Mora had good power.
by yurizanow on
Apr 24, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
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well
Mora was slugging .503 and .562 in his two-year peak.
by SC on
Apr 24, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
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A's sign Frank Thomas
I think Billy Beane makes a couple of good points.
“I don’t see this as an infringement on what we started in December when we traded Dan (Haren), but we have a responsibility to take advantage of opportunities like this,” A’s general manager Billy Beane said before the matinee finale of a three-game series against the visiting Twins at McAfee Stadium.
“Are we trying to develop a young team? Yeah, but we are not running an instructional league. We are running a professional sports franchise.”
“He looks in great shape,” Beane said during batting practice. “He had a great year for us. He’s a great influence on the club. He’s a consummate pro. This was an opportunity that could not be passed up.”
by yurizanow on Apr 25, 2008 10:55 AM EDT 0 recs
I still contend
he does nothing for us. He’s not going to be here in 2010, our bench is limited enough as it is without a pure DH who cannot take the field, and a roster spot would have to be cleared for him that would further limit defensive options from our thin bench. I’m glad the O’s passed.
"I win! I think I'm better at chess than you, Dad." - My 7 year old, after he beat me for the first (and not last) time.
by duck on
Apr 25, 2008 12:47 PM EDT
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I'm surprised that Billy gave up on Cust so fast.
Cust really isn’t a developing player but why block him? He’s young and actually may be part of the future unlike Thomas.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
Apr 25, 2008 6:24 PM EDT
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Because Cust Just A Guy
and Thomas is a Hall of Famer and a Hall of Famer, even at an advanced age, is more likely to be helpful than a player who is ultimately just a guy.
For some reason I was really struck by what Beane said about not running an instructional league, it reminded me of what Parcells said when he took over the Jets – winning helps, losing doesn’t.
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think that the Orioles should be sitting Luke Scott for some old fart (even a Frank Thomas or Barry Bonds quality old fart), I just think that if the O’s have a chance to add a quality player that can help, they should do so if he doesn’t detract from the development of someone else. Thomas or Bonds at DH doesn’t. If it requires clearing space, make space by getting rid of Aubrey Huff. At some point the Orioles are going to have to start actually winning and it’s going to require at least a few guys that aren’t currently on the team. No team wins big time with just the guys they develop.
by yurizanow on
Apr 26, 2008 12:00 AM EDT
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Cust
Thomas is a Hall of Famer and a Hall of Famer, even at an advanced age, is more likely to be helpful than a player who is ultimately just a guy.
I agree with everything you say, but the A’s are rebuilding. Wins are meaningless on a rebuilding. What’s the difference between 67-69 wins? The move suggests to me that Billy now believes his team has a shot. Otherwise, he would stick it out with Cust.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
Apr 26, 2008 3:50 AM EDT
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The A's aren't one guy away
This move struck me as desparation – a bone to the fan base of “Hey, we’re gonna win THIS year!”
MacPhail has enough trust in the fan base to be honest – we’re rebuilding. And it’s gonna be painful at times.
Whether that trust is earned or misplaced will soon be known, but I think the O’s made a good move by not adding Thomas or Bonds.
"I win! I think I'm better at chess than you, Dad." - My 7 year old, after he beat me for the first (and not last) time.
by duck on
Apr 26, 2008 9:29 AM EDT
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It wasn't desparation
Beane just took a quality guy who was available. Frank Thomas right now has a high probability of being better right now than Jack Cust will ever be in his career, so he signed him for a song.
Beane is sort of a weird cat because his job security is really high and his need to fill the stands is really low. He puts his teams together with whatever parts he has available that he thinks will help. He never gets the A-Rod-type players when they’re good, but he can get his hands on guys like Thomas who were once great and are near the end or guys like Jack Cust who aren’t very good players, but can do one or two things well that helps his team.
In that way he’s a lot like Earl Weaver. Rather than worrying about what a player can’t do, he tries to figure out what he can do and if he can contribute something he keeps him around. Thomas fall into that category, so does Jack Cust. However, since Jack Cust is 28 and has more than 100 at bats in a season exactly once in his career, it’s probably not the end of the world if his playing time suffers.
by yurizanow on
Apr 27, 2008 12:43 AM EDT
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2007 stats
Cust: .256/.408/.504, 26 HR, 82 RBI, 147 adjusted OPS+, 32.6 VORP, .329 EqA
Thomas: .277/.377/.480, 26 HR, 95 RBI, 125 adjusted OPS+, 31.5 VORP, .304 EqA
So, well, I dunno about all that Thomas being better now than Cust will ever be jive.
by SC on
Apr 27, 2008 3:38 AM EDT
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Cust's numbers
Scream career year to me
But Thomas that whole decline thing going on as well…
by Reddrummer9187 on
Apr 28, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
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Jack Cust
Cust was maybe marginally better than Frank Thomas last year, although they created about the same number of runs. His history doesn’t exactly inspire me though.
What bugs me about Cust is that he appeared in the Majors when he was 22 and has bounced around to a bunch of different teams that could have used some offensive help but still never managed to get more than 73 at bats until last year when he got 395. I can’t help but suspect the A’s got as much out of him as is possible just like they have with other marginal players. I wouldn’t be tomorrow lunch on him doing anything else.
by yurizanow on Apr 27, 2008 9:27 AM EDT 0 recs
why?
Cust hitting has never been an issue. When he was with the Orioles, HE HIT during the very limited playing time they gave him. A lot of teams that have employed him have simply mismanaged him. Colorado, really, was where he got delayed the most, because the man cannot play the outfield passably and they had Todd Helton at first base. He’s a born DH. Cust is a poor man’s Adam Dunn, but that’s not bad.
by SC on
Apr 27, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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Cust
I can’t help but suspect the A’s got as much out of him as is possible just like they have with other marginal players. I wouldn’t be tomorrow lunch on him doing anything
That may be so but my point is that it’s irrelevant. Thomas maybe makes them 1-3 wins better but that probably isn’t enought to push the A’s into the playoff. That’s why it’s a puzzling move. Whether Cust is better or Thomas is better is irrelevant because the A’s are rebuilding. Thomas has no long term future with the A’s. Cust does. Maybe the A’s got as much as they can out of him, but they’ll never know unless they try. When you’re a rebuilding team, you allowed to have the luxury of trying out guys who might not stick for the sake of finding long term players.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Apr 28, 2008 2:22 AM EDT 0 recs
I don't think Cust necessarily has any more of a future than Frank Thomas
Maybe the A’s simply like having the Big Hurt around.
The A’s are professionals who know what they’re doing. They don’t act out of desperation like a certain mid-Atlantic franchise we all know and love.
by yurizanow on
Apr 28, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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"I don't think Cust necessarily has any more of a future than Frank Thomas"
Frank will be 40 next year. He has no long term future with the A’s. Cust is 29 and has about 4-5 years before free agency. Cust could be asset for the future, Frank cannot. This isn’t about bashing Frank. It’s about understanding a player’s age and the long term potential that carries.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
Apr 28, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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We shall see
I wouldn’t be surprised if Jack Cust never has more at-bats in his career as he did last year nor would I be surprised if the Big Hurt does once or twice more in his.
Let’s say that if Cust turns into a player I owe you a hot dog.
by yurizanow on
Apr 28, 2008 11:14 PM EDT
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well, that's not my point
Like I said before, who’s better is irrelevant. It’s more about who’s a better fit for a rebuilding team, a 29 yr old with low service time or a 40 year yr old whi’s a free agent at the end of the season. For a rebuilding team, clearly the 29 yr old is a better fit. Thomas will most likely retire soon. Maybe Billy thinks he can flip Thomas at the deadline. Otherwise, I don’t get this pick up.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.


