O's 3, Mariners 2: Gives you a little hope, doesn't it?
by zknower on Apr 24, 2008 12:48 AM EDT
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Danny Cabrera's last three starts:
20.2IP 16H 5ER 5BB 12K
ERA: 2.17 WHIP: 1.01
Hey, c'mon. You gotta be a little bit psyched, right?
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I am
against my wishes, my hopes are getting up. i’ll probably be crushed again, like so many times before. but I can dream, right?
by daveh873 on Apr 24, 2008 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I do think we've entered a new D-Cab era
The one thing that still makes me cautious is his temper when things go against him. The guy can get really riled up sometimes, which then causes him to do stupid shit like balk with a runner on third. Or throw behind Pedroia’s head just because he’s getting shelled.
For those who missed it, Aubrey Huff is still a worthless piece of crap. He was on second and Jones was on first with no outs in the fifth. Ramon crushes a ball that hits the left field fence, and Huff decides to hang around second base holding his dick (probably masturbating as he described on Bubba the Love Sponge’s show) til the ball lands. He gets thrown out at the plate. Jones, who was right behind Huff, has to retreat to second, and Ramon, who was nearly at second, had to retreat to first. In sum, when you crush a ball to the wall with men on first and second an no outs, the minimum outcome should be one man scoring with men on second and third. Instead, we get zero runs and men on first and second with no outs.
by Cockeysville Rec Council on Apr 24, 2008 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I mean one out
My dislike/borderline hatred of Huff messes up my head.
by Cockeysville Rec Council on Apr 24, 2008 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
Should have been a bases-clearing double.
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by spike2131 on Apr 24, 2008 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was that on huff...
or juan samuel? i mean, palmer and thorne we’re busting on huff for not scooting, but what the fuck is 3rd base coach doing if not yelling, “hey! go, motherfucker!”
ronnie's a dillweed.
by j.q. higgins on Apr 24, 2008 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sun said today
Huff ran through Samuel’s stop sign.
"I win! I think I'm better at chess than you, Dad." - My 7 year old, after he beat me for the first (and not last) time.
by duck on Apr 24, 2008 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck that guy...
He shouldn’t have had to have a stop sign put up. It was pretty obvious to EVERYONE related to the game whatsoever that that ball wasn’t going to be caught. It was f-in’ stung!!
Improving the ballclub: Not one of Peter Angelos' concerns.-SC Wed Jan 30, 2008
by dayzd toe on Apr 24, 2008 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How?!
How does the site go down on the day that Cabrera goes 8 innings giving up 2 earned on 5 hits, with 5 strike outs and no walks? No wild pitches? 95 pitches thrown, 65 for strikes? That’s just crazy talk!
Could this be real or is he just teasing us?
by Dr Orpheus on Apr 24, 2008 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Daniel Cabrera is Birdland
This was a hell of a night for this site to be down. I had to watch Danny’s dominance all by my lonesome.
I don’t want to get my hopes up, but I just can’t help it. Danny looks totally different lately. I’m totally backing zk in the Cabrera Bowl.
Over at Orioles Hangout (gotta do something when this site is down!) someone posted that Cabrera hasn’t had 3 straight starts with at least 6 IP and 2 ER or less since 2004. Woo fa.
by Stacey on Apr 24, 2008 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Again...
Improving the ballclub: Not one of Peter Angelos' concerns.-SC Wed Jan 30, 2008
by dayzd toe on Apr 24, 2008 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
am i sensing sarcasm?
Improving the ballclub: Not one of Peter Angelos' concerns.-SC Wed Jan 30, 2008
by dayzd toe on Apr 24, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2004 sounds about right.
I was thinking he hasn’t had a stretch like this in years. Which isn’t hard to believe, given that he’s been progressively worse every year he’s been in the majors.
Cabrera has the rare stuff that if – IF – he has control, he’s unhittable. An ace in every sense of the word. But he rarely has control.
I am encouraged – I’ve been all for trading his a$$. But it’s going to take more than 3 starts for me. I’d like to see a good half-dozen before I think about getting back on the bandwagon.
From the Land of Pleasant Living...
by OEutaw on Apr 24, 2008 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
I gotta go with “no” on the hope thing. A couple glimpses of Good Danny in April doesn’t do it for me any more. Good Danny is just the unlucky twin of Bad Danny, who shows up the minute this guy gets knocked off track. He just didn’t get knocked off track tonight is all.
Great game tho’.
"My ma urged me to get out of this game. When I was a kid, she pleaded with me. And I meant to, you know what I mean? But she died." - Pop Fisher, The Natural
by typozzz on Apr 24, 2008 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He kind of did, though, tonight...
I mean with the shoddy defensive he could’ve packed it in a few times but he battled. I believe there was one situation where he had the basesloaded and NO outs, but only gave up one run… and that came on an RBI ground out. Definitely a different Danny. This guy is a GAMER.
Improving the ballclub: Not one of Peter Angelos' concerns.-SC Wed Jan 30, 2008
by dayzd toe on Apr 24, 2008 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Diamond Dave
“That probably turned the game around,” Trembley said. “I’ve used the term before about the wheels coming off the wagon and maybe people will start believing me now, that Cabrera doesn’t let it happen. He’s found a way to minimize the damage when things start to go wrong for him. I think it’s a sign of maturity and confidence.”
"I win! I think I'm better at chess than you, Dad." - My 7 year old, after he beat me for the first (and not last) time.
by duck on Apr 24, 2008 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...yes.
Dude was cookin’ with gas tonight. Dude was straight in control of the game. Dude threw 95 pitches—65 OF THEM WERE STRIKES.
Dude is pitchin’. Dude is playin’ ball.
Dude has me hooked in again.
by SC on Apr 24, 2008 1:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and i'm w/ you, but...
this is exhibit “a” in a textbook case of battered o’s fan syndrome.
ronnie's a dillweed.
by j.q. higgins on Apr 24, 2008 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey...
it John Edwards.
BTW… you forgot, Dude’s a gamer.
Improving the ballclub: Not one of Peter Angelos' concerns.-SC Wed Jan 30, 2008
by dayzd toe on Apr 24, 2008 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sort of hooked
I need another 5 out 6 starts to be convinced
"We might as well just win this game." -Adam Jones
by exitfare on Apr 24, 2008 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta see a few more starts like this
before I get excited. Hopefully, Cabs will rehab his value to become trade bait in July or the offseason. If Kranitz can keep Cabs straight for the rest of the season, the offseason will be the perfect time to trade him. He’s close to free agency and his value will be at an all time high.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Apr 24, 2008 3:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IF
he has actually put it together and he pitches like this for the rest of the season, or at least some semblance of this, there absolutely NO reason to trade him. He’s still young, which fits the rebuilding mantra, and (mind you, IF he stays together) he’s a good pitcher, which I thought we were trying to find.
Improving the ballclub: Not one of Peter Angelos' concerns.-SC Wed Jan 30, 2008
by dayzd toe on Apr 24, 2008 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is young
But he’s a free agent soon. Trade him and then we can resign him as a free agent if the need arises. i doubt any team would extend Cabs since his track record of success is very limited. We need trading chips to boost the number of position prospects in the system. You either have to trade for him or draft them.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Apr 24, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is some good ass KOOL-AID
Pass it around please… because I am drunk off of it…
by Birdland in NC on Apr 24, 2008 6:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One more...
One more and I’ll start to believe. And it doesn’t even have to be his next start – but it better be the one after that if not.
"I win! I think I'm better at chess than you, Dad." - My 7 year old, after he beat me for the first (and not last) time.
by duck on Apr 24, 2008 7:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Danny was good, and all
But he was helped immensely by one of the widest strike zones I’ve ever seen. No walks!
MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC
by spike2131 on Apr 24, 2008 8:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Strike Zone
It was huge for both pitchers early in the game, but I thought shrunk considerably after Markakis gave the home plate umpire an earful.
Don’t forget that Silva walked 2 batters last night, and he only walked 36 batters in 202 innings last year.
I bet Danny has had some months where he’s walked close to 36 batters.
by dkdc on Apr 24, 2008 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I thought Markakis was going to get booted.
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by spike2131 on Apr 24, 2008 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both BB's
were Audrey, of all people.
Improving the ballclub: Not one of Peter Angelos' concerns.-SC Wed Jan 30, 2008
by dayzd toe on Apr 24, 2008 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Audrey's OBP is .354 surprisingly
He actually seems a bit more patient at the plate this year.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Apr 24, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why you be jinxin?
Sorry but Danny’s inconsistencies have just made me ultra-superstitious. I’m hoping and praying Kranwich can rub the “Mazzone Effect” off Danny, but I’m hyper-sensitive to to a jinx.
by Jonny Pops on Apr 24, 2008 8:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Same here.
I’m cautiously optimistic.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again."
by 2632 on Apr 24, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesnt even need a jinx
This could very well be a fluke. Its happened before…
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by spike2131 on Apr 24, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
what is the change exactly? He started throwing more fastballs? He’s stopped falling off the mound to the first base side, fucking up his control? His changeup actually works now? He stopped dicking around with that breaking ball he was attempting to throw? Anybody know what the difference is here?
by Jonny Pops on Apr 24, 2008 8:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most of what you said
He also didn’t make any huge, glaring defensive mistakes this game.
MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC
by spike2131 on Apr 24, 2008 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean
my skepticism is: Could it possibly be this easy?
Grilled Cheese Kranwich comes in, works with Danny for one ST and 5 Starts and all of a sudden the boy’s pitching like an Ace again? Could Mazzone have been this much of a dipshit to have led him so far astray? Seems way to good to be true. Honestly I’m extremely happy he’s doing so well – but after all the ups and downs it’s going to take a couple years of pinching myself while he rocks the house before I can truly believe it’s going to last.
by Jonny Pops on Apr 24, 2008 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
In each of last few good starts there was at least 1 point in the game where I said to myself “Ok, here comes the patented Daniel Cabrera Complete Meltdown”.
And Trembley’s acting like he knew it all along amuses me, but I’m happy for both of them.
Why the Hell Not?
by BrianS on Apr 24, 2008 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again? When did he ever pitch like an ace? Like, really? Having 10 good starts a year doesn’t constitute an “ace,” even if three of them are truly sensational.
The thing is, this new approach (“Jesus Christ, kid, just throw the fastball. Stop with the other shit.”) could get him killed eventually, even if he doesn’t walk people. But it’s refreshing to see him saying, “Look, here it is, hit it or fuck off.” It’s a last resort strategy, which they aren’t going to say because why would they, but it really feels like people are out of ideas with him. “Throw 95% fastballs” is a little, you know, risky against major league hitters. I don’t care how good your fastball is.
by SC on Apr 24, 2008 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call me in two weeks
after scouting reports catch up with him. Like the 2nd time through the order against the PHN.
"I win! I think I'm better at chess than you, Dad." - My 7 year old, after he beat me for the first (and not last) time.
by duck on Apr 24, 2008 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's pitched LIKE an ace...
many times, but pitching like an ace and being an ace are completely different things.
ronnie's a dillweed.
by j.q. higgins on Apr 24, 2008 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cabs
Throw 95% fastballs" is a little, you know, risky against major league hitters. I don’t care how good your fastball is.
I heard some from somwhere else that the movement on his fastball was sick according to the MLB’s Pitch F/X. If that’s the case, he could be pretty damn good w/o precise control.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Apr 24, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
It’s way too optimistic to think this last game is the new Cabrera.
However, I do think that if you look at all 5 of his starts this year, that’s a potential blueprint for long term success. A clunker here and there, some command issues, but a more aggressive approach that will enable him to be an average MLB starter.
Screw ace potential, I’ll take a 4.40 ERA from Daniel Cabrera to the bank, put it in a vault, and hire a squadron of mercenaries to fight off Bad Danny.
by dkdc on Apr 24, 2008 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We finally have a nickname for our pitching coach
that doesn’t include an expletive. I’ll be calling him Grilled Cheese the rest of the year…
"I win! I think I'm better at chess than you, Dad." - My 7 year old, after he beat me for the first (and not last) time.
by duck on Apr 24, 2008 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my unbridled optimism has been based primarily on this point.
In essence, all reports on Mazzone vs Kranitz were:
Mazzone: This is the way you do it. There is no other way.
Kranitz: Let me see what you do well. Then I’ll try to polish that stuff and make it better.
What I’ve thought since the hiring of Kranitz was, “What if someone went up to Cabrera and said, “What do YOU think is your best strategy?”, and then tried to develop from that point onward. It will take some time to see if that question is relevant, and/or if Kranitz is the right guy. But so far, I have to say I’m pleased with the results.
by zknower on Apr 24, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
So far, Krasanwich is the man. It kinda highlights that Mazzonne really did jack for our team. I mean really, there is NO excuse for last year’s bullpen.
MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC
by spike2131 on Apr 24, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Mazzone's defense
last year’s bullpen really wasn’t his fault. We just had some awful guys in there.
"We might as well just win this game." -Adam Jones
by exitfare on Apr 24, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
can’t blame the bulppen on mazzone, i don’t think. brower and ortiz were his dudes and they sucked, so, sure wrt those guys.
BUT i dunno, bedard and guts seemed to do pretty well under mazzone, no?
ronnie's a dillweed.
by j.q. higgins on Apr 24, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to take that a step further...
he doesn’t seem to have been a great fit overall, but the man’s bona fides are beyond reproach and he wasn’t a complete waste of money [MAZZILLI].
ronnie's a dillweed.
by j.q. higgins on Apr 24, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bedard
He’s always credited Kris Benson for helping him really develop his changeup, which made a world of difference for him. Of course Ray Miller briefly had him going heavy with the change before Benson ever got here, and it was working then, and he got hurt and came off the DL and abandoned it, which made no sense.
by SC on Apr 24, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Krasanwich!!!
I love it!!! Oh shit maybe we could merge – Grilled Cheese Krasanwich!!!
by Jonny Pops on Apr 24, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but..
doesn’t Burger King have a TM on Krasanwich. Oh, wait, that’s croissanwich.
OLD LAME JAKE ALERT
How did Dairy Queen Get Pregnant?
Burger King Forgot To Wrap His Whopper.
Improving the ballclub: Not one of Peter Angelos' concerns.-SC Wed Jan 30, 2008
by dayzd toe on Apr 24, 2008 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leo
Could Mazzone have been this much of a dipshit to have led him so far astray? Seems way to good to be true.
Honestly, I think Mazzone was a poor fit for Cabs. The whole exchance some speed for better control isn’t Cabs. He’s more a “threw them the heater Ricky” type of guy.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Apr 24, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on board
I’m not picking him up for my fantasy team or anything and I’m not ready to start filling out the Cy Young ballot. We’ll need to see a month or two of starts like these before we get really excited. Still, we’ve seen so little consistency from Cabrera that three great starts in a row is definitely Birdland.
by silverstadium on Apr 24, 2008 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Data
The pitch f/x data is pretty interesting:
(FYI, the pitch f/x system was not installed in Camden Yards last year, so there’s a lot of data missing from last year. This year all parks have the system.)
Overall he isn’t throwing that many more fastballs: 82% of his pitches this year, versus 75% of his pitches last year. The truth is, he has always been mostly a fastball pitcher, which is probably a good thing since it’s clearly his best pitch.
I think the breakout by count is pretty revealing. Last year, when Cabrera got ahead of a hitter (which I’m defining as 0-1, 0-2, 1-1, 2-2), he would dick around with his changeup and slider and often squander his advantage.
This year, he’s just going back to his fastball and challenging hitters.
Overall, Cabrera threw fastballs 56% of the time in pitcher’s counts last year, and he’s thrown fastballs 80% of the time in pitcher’s counts this year.
I guess that’s the difference.
by dkdc on Apr 24, 2008 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God bless modern science.
Cool stats, thanks.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again."
by 2632 on Apr 24, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
f/x data
I thought that wasn’t introduced until this season?
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Apr 24, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all parks had it until this year
ALL parks have it starting this season
"I win! I think I'm better at chess than you, Dad." - My 7 year old, after he beat me for the first (and not last) time.
by duck on Apr 25, 2008 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw DKDC note about this
If his 2007 stats only include road starts (and only some of those), I don’t know if I can trust the representativeness of that data.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Apr 25, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I'm not sold. Just hopeful.
Here’s a question.
I usually go to games to see a particular pitcher. I figure if I’m spending my hard earned money I may as well increase my chances of seeing a win.
Who would you go see? Guts, and then watch the team offer zero support? Would you consider Cabrera on the off chance he has a game like last night? I used to go to Cabrera starts. I’m still not sure he’d lure me out.
by drj on Apr 24, 2008 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I give Danny a little bit of a pass...
I don’t think it was smart to bring him up so early and that hurt his development significantly. Had he spent some time in AAA, I think he would have reached this level sooner vice trying to wing it in the bigs. Plus his contract is up soon. Money is always a great motivator.
"Beatings will continue until morale improves"
by UMBC Oriole fan on Apr 24, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize quite how young Cabrera is
I have renewed hope for him. It’s cautious obviously, but I’m starting to believe.
by Pack Man on Apr 24, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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