Gameday Thread: Mariners (2-3) @ O's (3-1)
by SC
on Apr 6, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
Seattle Mariners @ Baltimore Orioles
Felix Hernandez, RH (0-0, 0.00/1.14) v. Jeremy Guthrie, RH (0-1, 8.44/1.88)
Game time is 1:35 on MASN2.
The STATS preview says, "A sudden injury to Erik Bedard cost him the first chance to face his old teammates, but the Seattle Mariners are not expecting to skip a beat."
Yes. A "sudden injury" -- how convenient. And if the Mariners plan not to skip any of the beats they've shown in the last two games, that'd be fine by me.
King Felix put up a 3.92 ERA and 1.38 WHIP at age 21 last season, but wasn't the Mariners ace in 2007 because Miguel Batista won 16 games. Ask Jim Palmer, who was not the ace of the 1970 Orioles, because McNally and Cuellar won 24 games to his 20.
Guthrie's location was iffy in his first start, the main culprit to a rocky beginning of his tenure as the ace of the O's. I'm really not worried about Guts; he looked fine, just a little off at times. He left one up to Eric Hinske and it got bombed. It happens. He threw 5 1/3 innings in that start, making it the second-deepest start among the four Oriole starters we've seen thus far. Trachsel wins the prize with 5 2/3.
With the way the pen's being beaten on so far -- and I should be fair, the starters are the first to blame, but I still think Trembley is a little wacky so far -- we need a good start from Guthrie today. Hopefully he can turn in 6+ and keep us in the game.
MARINERS STARTING LINEUP
- Ichiro, RF
- Jose Lopez, 2B
- Raul Ibanez, LF
- Richie Sexson, 1B
- Adrian Beltre, 3B
- Brad Wilkerson, RF
- Jose Vidro, DH
- Jamie Burke, C
- Yuniesky Betancourt, SS
ORIOLES STARTING LINEUP
- Brian Roberts, 2B
- Melvin Mora, 3B
- Nick Markakis, RF
- Kevin Millar, 1B
- Aubrey Huff, DH
- Luke Scott, LF
- Jay Payton, CF
- Guillermo Quiroz, C
- Luis Hernandez, SS
FUN STATS
- Guthrie hasn't been so successful at Camden Yards, going just 2-6 overall with a 4.40 ERA. But his peripherals are all solid. The record is more reflective of his, you know, team.
- In his young career, Nick Markakis has just one homer against the Mariners, but he's hit .321/.365/.449.
- In HIS young career, Felix Hernandez is hit hard by the O's: 5.60/1.78 with a .347 BAA. And he's 3-2.
- And his moderately young career, Mariners shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt is 30-for-85 (.353) against Baltimore.
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We need a good outing from Guthrie today..
our bullpen shouldn't pitch 4+IP per game... that pretty much exposes them.
Go O's!
by Y Not on Apr 6, 2008 11:28 AM EDT 0 recs
good matchups today
Santana v. Smoltz
Beckett v. Halladay
Lowe v. Young
Shields v. Wang
...Lannan v. Lohse
by SC on Apr 6, 2008 11:55 AM EDT 0 recs
payton over jones in CF today
Payton really needs to do something in order for us to like him.
by Y Not on Apr 6, 2008 1:01 PM EDT 0 recs
Even then, it's doubtful
There's just something about Jay Payton that totally rubs me the wrong way. Maybe because he's not particularly good at ANYTHING, and yet he's somehow become a regular major leaguer. While everyone here was putting their hate on Jay Gibbons (deservedly due to his performance), I couldn't put in the same ire towards him that I have for the other Jay. At least Gibbons could hit, once upon a time, albeit via the magic of pharmaceuticals.
by Chanumas on
Apr 6, 2008 2:01 PM EDT
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4 starts, 19 2/3 innings pitched
Starters are averaging 4.92 innings/start.
by drj on Apr 6, 2008 1:38 PM EDT 0 recs
alright I'm in
Had to do lunch with my girlfriend's parents.
by SC on Apr 6, 2008 1:44 PM EDT 0 recs
Ahhhhh
Palmer made a point of saying SexSON that time around.
by Jonny Pops on Apr 6, 2008 1:53 PM EDT 0 recs
Palmer gets it
Thorne doesn't. Thankfully Gary doesn't DO Sundays.
by SC on
Apr 6, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
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oh, kevbo.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again."
by 2632 on Apr 6, 2008 1:55 PM EDT 0 recs
wow
Our 7-8-9 hitters must leave King Felix messing his pants. Most teams in the NL have a better 7-8-9 than us today.
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 6, 2008 2:01 PM EDT 0 recs
You said it.
48 already.. looks like another long day for the bullpen coming up.
by Y Not on
Apr 6, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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contact guy=
not a very good hitter
Of course, he just got a single.
by wickedwitch on Apr 6, 2008 2:03 PM EDT 0 recs
I'm Trying to Watch..
the O's game and Hornets game at the same time. I've got the O's on my computer and the Hornets on my TV.
Geaux Eaux's
by NawlinsOriole on Apr 6, 2008 2:07 PM EDT 0 recs
Totally
fell in love with the Hornets their two years here in OKC. Chris Paul is awesome. Getting the Sonics in the next year or two will be bitter sweet.
Drinkin' the Kool-Aid!!!
by BPinOK on
Apr 6, 2008 10:57 PM EDT
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oh good
Diamond Dave on Team Chemistry. I mean, I agree with his ideas, but goddamn.
by SC on Apr 6, 2008 2:08 PM EDT 0 recs
Base Knock Bako mention!
LET'S GET SOME RUNS.
LET'S GET SOME RUNS.
by SC on Apr 6, 2008 2:11 PM EDT 0 recs
As Weaver used to say
If you're going to hit into a double play, just strike out please.
by Y Not on Apr 6, 2008 2:14 PM EDT 0 recs
Remember all the double plays...
we hit into last year
Geaux Eaux's
by NawlinsOriole on Apr 6, 2008 2:15 PM EDT 0 recs
what the shit
are ichiro and millar possibly talking about?
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again."
by 2632 on Apr 6, 2008 2:15 PM EDT 0 recs
Oh Shit Here We Go.....
Come on Guts
Geaux Eaux's
by NawlinsOriole on Apr 6, 2008 2:18 PM EDT 0 recs
nice DP
Guthrie really needs to be able to work deep into this, but at the same time you can't press him TOO much.
Bierd is available, I'd guess.
by SC on Apr 6, 2008 2:19 PM EDT 0 recs
holy fuck
show brob and sexon standing next to each other again.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again."
by 2632 on Apr 6, 2008 2:20 PM EDT 0 recs
wow, a randy myers reference
how many more times this year are we gonna hear about our closer from 11 years ago and his assorted wackiness?
by KenDixonFanClub on Apr 6, 2008 2:21 PM EDT 0 recs
Shit.....
I just got called in to go to work.
Geaux Eaux's
by NawlinsOriole on Apr 6, 2008 2:22 PM EDT 0 recs
what just happened?
did we have an inning? way to make Hernandez work guys. christ.
by KenDixonFanClub on Apr 6, 2008 2:26 PM EDT 0 recs
holy shit
did the bar just flash that Guthrie has thrown 86 pitches? at the top of the 4th. just great. I hope Bierd and Safarte have 4 innings in them today.
by KenDixonFanClub on Apr 6, 2008 2:29 PM EDT 0 recs
little better
but not terribly. still too many.
by KenDixonFanClub on
Apr 6, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
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Greg Aquino!!!
if he comes in we should have an over/under of 5 pitches before he gives up a run
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 6, 2008 2:31 PM EDT 0 recs
he could if he faced Jay Gibbons
As we all know, you can get Gibby to 3-2 and he will refuse that fourth ball. By God, the man has scruples.
by SC on
Apr 6, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
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Hopefully Guthrie can go 6
His pitch count is under 85
by wickedwitch on Apr 6, 2008 2:43 PM EDT 0 recs
I could play along and say yes..
but I was actually referring to Guthrie's previous inning...
Coincidence that Hernandez had a 7-pitch inning right after I said that
by Y Not on
Apr 6, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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jesus christ
Are these boners going to make him work or anything? Should we just let Fahey play?
by SC on Apr 6, 2008 2:47 PM EDT 0 recs
The approach to this game
has Crowley's gin-soaked fingerprints all over it. Hack away, guys. Don't make him work. Don't try to get to the bullpen. Just keep swinging.
by KenDixonFanClub on
Apr 6, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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However.. it also looks like Hernandez has his game on..
and maybe that just means we'll be 0-2 before we're looking to hit
by Y Not on
Apr 6, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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he does
But man, at some point you gotta just try to wear the brother out. I mean all props to King Felix for pitching well, but he's not getting much resistance.
by SC on
Apr 6, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
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yeah
I mean, it's only 2-0, but unless we can get Felix out of there this is a tough row to hoe.
by SC on
Apr 6, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
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I hope a pigeon flies by.. and squirts Felix Hernandez in the eye.
It's our only hope.
by Y Not on Apr 6, 2008 2:51 PM EDT 0 recs
well hell
Even if they take Guts out, that's a Quality Start. Good job, Jeremy.
by SC on Apr 6, 2008 2:52 PM EDT 0 recs
Felix Hernandez (a winner) vs. Luis Hernandez. (...)
Round 2. Fight!
by Y Not on Apr 6, 2008 2:54 PM EDT 0 recs
Holy shit
Luis drawing a walk from King Felix? CHHAAAARGE
by KenDixonFanClub on Apr 6, 2008 2:55 PM EDT 0 recs
I'm as underwhelmed by this O's offense as I am
by the venue I'm watching it through, MLB.TV's, um, spectacular new 1.2M thingy. I swear the definition doesn't look as sharp as last year's 800K. On the other hand, I'm probably not as sharp as I was last year either.
Oops, gotta go: a leadoff BB, i.e. a major rally...
Forget it, Jake. It's Birdland.
by Titov on Apr 6, 2008 2:56 PM EDT 0 recs
I think the offense is doing well
With what they have so far. If they could keep it going like this all year this won't be the worst team in baseball haha
by Pack Man on Apr 6, 2008 2:57 PM EDT 0 recs
Thats why I said could :P
But it doesn't hurt to be a little optimistic.
by Pack Man on
Apr 6, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
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Nooooo!!! Get Crowley AWAY from ANY Markakis!
Forget it, Jake. It's Birdland.
by Titov on Apr 6, 2008 3:01 PM EDT 0 recs
Jesus Christ..
Hernandez changes speeds from 97 mph to 86 mph back to 96 mph ... fastballs, curveballs, sliders, splitters...
by Y Not on Apr 6, 2008 3:05 PM EDT 0 recs
That inning was probably
our best chance to score some runs. Also, Hernandez is really, really good.
by KenDixonFanClub on Apr 6, 2008 3:05 PM EDT 0 recs
Apparently the offense still hates Guthrie
At least we're not hitting against a good pitcher as opposed to Mr. Career AAAA. Yay ?
by wickedwitch on Apr 6, 2008 3:06 PM EDT 0 recs
Felix
Its scary that he turns 22 tuesday and already has 422 K's in the big leagues.
by Reddrummer9187 on Apr 6, 2008 3:07 PM EDT 0 recs
HELL YEAH GUTS!
Great job finishing strong, man. And to think,