I'm Just sayin'
Look, I'm drunk. we won. but I'm worried. I know what I'm about to imply may be
sacrilege to some people but.....Adam Jones.................Corey Patterson.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/patteco01.shtml
check out 2002. We could very well be in for this.
This ain't long enough so I'll also throw out there that tonight i ejoyed a tastey beverage known as Dogfish IPA 60 and it is pretty damn good. What's your favorite "microbrew"?
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Corey Patterson
Is just another prospect that never really panned out…you could name thousands of that type of player. I don’t really see the connection between AJ and Patterson. I have to note though, I have never in my life seen a player in my life so bad at getting on base. Patterson consistenly has an OBP 20-30 points higher than his BA which is ridiculous for a guy who is supposed to get on and exercise his speed.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on May 10, 2008 1:00 AM EDT 0 recs
well
There’s a connection. Both of them have awful plate discipline. The hope with a guy like that is they turn into someone like Alfonso Soriano, which Jones really could do. Jones’ K-to-BB rate has always been troublesome, but talent like that always has a chance of overcoming the faults. Patterson didn’t pan out. Some guys do.
by SC on
May 10, 2008 2:12 AM EDT
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Plus they are all black
Which helps the connection along.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on
May 11, 2008 8:01 AM EDT
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And I have so much confidence
That The Crow will instill that crucial plate discipline in our man, Adam.
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again."
by 2632 on
May 11, 2008 1:18 PM EDT
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I dunno
It’s not really about teaching him plate discipline. That went out the window a long time ago. Even though he’s “only” 22, that’s how he’s hit his entire life, and to screw with him now would probably just make the situation worse. The A’s tried forever to get Miguel Tejada to stop hacking and were only marginally successful, in that he learned to lay off of bad pitches more often. Jose Reyes did this, too. If you can get him to recognize pitches, you’re getting the most of the situation, because you’re still letting Jones be Jones (or Tejada be Tejada or Reyes be Reyes or Soriano be Soriano, etc.) but he’s maxing out the potential he has at the same time.
It’s no easy task to get guys to be patient when they just aren’t, and it’s true the other way, too. Adam Dunn can’t start being a more aggressive hitter. He has made the most of what he is, which is a low-contact, high-power, plate discipline machine of a hitter.
Where Corey Patterson failed was never learning to lay off of the truly awful pitches that pitchers could get him to chase. With the exact same skill set and faults and everything, a guy like Corey Patterson still has a decent chance at being an All-Star player in this league. He simply didn’t make the tweaks necessary to do that. There have been glimpses of what he could have been, but he’s never sustained it. Patterson could’ve been 20-50 every year, and if I saw someone with his level of natural talent, I’d probably be the same as most scouts and get a little bit suckered in.
Where some of the “Moneyball disciples” like myself fall short in thinking about young players is trying to make them all adhere to certain rules. It’s great when players have good plate discipline, can hit for some power, don’t get themselves out, etc. But Billy Beane was exploiting that because it was something undervalued. I mean, is anyone going to tell you that Jeremy Brown panned out?
Jones is who he is. And there’s no reason that that guy can’t be a hell of a player.
by SC on
May 11, 2008 1:39 PM EDT
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CP is a terrible fielder, AJ is good, from what I hear so far.
As far as comparable K rates, OBP, etc, maybe if AJ opened his eyes once in a while…
I’ll give him 500 ABs before I start thinking he’s CP.
by CoachOfEarl on
May 11, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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eh
yeah, maybe. but he’s only 22, right? there’s plenty of time.
by joet on May 10, 2008 1:48 AM EDT 0 recs
Yeah, he's 22, give him a break
I honestly don’t expect Jones to make a net positive contribution to the team until 2010. There aren’t too many 22-year-olds in the majors for a reason. Give him some time.
by silverstadium on May 10, 2008 11:11 AM EDT 0 recs
Do you have any idea how hard it is to hit a freakin' changeup?
It looks like a damn fastball is comin’ at ya, and you swing, and by the time you’re done swingin, the damn ball is STILL comin at ya!
Impossible to hit, I tell ya.
by Y Not on May 10, 2008 11:16 AM EDT 0 recs
He's starting to figure out curves already
and that was a serious knock on him.
Two words: Nick Markakis.
Look up his pre-ASG numbers for 2006 and get back to me.
/Apple pays Nick Markakis 99 cents every time he listens to a song…
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by duck on May 10, 2008 2:12 PM EDT 0 recs
Patterson
I’m expected Jones’ first season to be Corey like. At this point, I’m not worried at all.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on May 10, 2008 2:54 PM EDT 0 recs
Jones vs Patterson
Adam is much younger then patterson both are great fielders both are fast.
only Adam will last.I have no doubt Jones will become a more consistent
hitter.
by hagers on May 10, 2008 3:38 PM EDT 0 recs
Dogfish head 60 minute IPA is my favorite beer
Period. IPA is getting a little over-exposed, since it seems like everyone makes one now. But Dogfish head makes it better than anyone. It is truly a grand beer.
I’m getting a little misty thinking about it. Also my stomach is warning me not to put any more beer into it, which I will probably do.
by pipkin on May 10, 2008 7:36 PM EDT 0 recs
The more IPAs, the better
The more competition there is, the better the product. Right now, Troeg’s Nugget Nectar is my favorite. I’ve been on a Troegs kick for about six months now – the other night I drank four Troegenators and was feeling fiiiiiine.
I also had a few resurrections at Batemans the other night. I remember a time when I couldn’t drink it without making a face; now it slides now nice and easy.
by PhilR8 on
May 11, 2008 12:18 PM EDT
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Mmmmmmm.... Resurrection,
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again."
by 2632 on
May 11, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
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Yes, Dogfish Head, but...
Don’t forget our fine upstate New York IPAs! Southern Tier IPA and Middle Ages ImPaled Ale are both excellent if you can find them outside upstate.
by silverstadium on
May 12, 2008 10:14 AM EDT
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troegenator...
too sweet for me. smells like hippies. does pack a nice punch, though.
ronnie's a dillweed.
by j.q. higgins on
May 12, 2008 10:23 AM EDT
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