Yankees 4, O's 2: S.S.D.D. for Jeremy Guthrie
by Scott Christ on May 29, 2008 5:34 AM EDT
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WHAT'S JEREMY GUTHRIE GOTTA DO TO GET SOME RUNS IN THIS JOINT?
Our boy went out and dealt again yesterday. Seven innings, six hits, three runs, no walks, four strikeouts. All he got in return was a two-run homer from Melvin Mora in the fourth inning.
In his last three starts (20.2 innings pitched) the Orioles have given Guthrie exactly those two runs off the bat of Melvin Mora.
He's got a 3.64 ERA, a 1.21 WHIP, batters are hitting a paltry .236 against him, and he's 2-6.
This is getting ridiculous. Jeremy "Hard Times" Guthrie gets no love from his teammates, despite him generally giving them a chance to win every time he starts.
Come on, guys. Help the brother out. Daniel Cabrera's having a pretty similar season and he's 5-1. Daniel Cabrera might make the All-Star team! He'll probably be the only Oriole that does make it if things stay the course, but is he really any better than Guthrie? No.
The good news is we took two of three from the Yankees, making us 5-4 against New York so far. I mean, yeah, it's not really the greatest thing in the world considering New York is 22-22 against everyone else, but it's a nice trinket to put in our pocket.
The O's are off today before we start a four-game set in Boston Baltimore on Friday. The current matchups for the first three games are Cabrera-Beckett, Olson-Lester, and Burres-Colon. Ol' fatso Colon has looked pretty good in his first two Sox starts, though he did face Kansas City and Seattle. Of course, he'll just be facing the Baltimore lineup next. I think batting average is pretty worthless, but when your leading hitter is coming in at .271 (Roberts, heating up) and it's not a lineup filled with walk machines, things ain't goin' so great.
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no, be that guy
Duhr.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by Scott Christ on May 29, 2008 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh.. I JUST read it
and I thought you were being funny… you know, Fenway South funny.
"Chickens are hard to catch." Jennifer Scott (Luuuuuuuke's Mom)
As Scarface put it, Djou got eet, mehn! Our offense is the shtuppers, and Jeremy is the shtupee.
How long do people think he’s gonna keep riding his bike to work (stopping to shoot hoops on the way!) , smiling at everybody, pitching his brains out, racking up QS after QS and…losing every freakin’ time?!? I’ve already predicted it: he’s gonna blow some day soon, and it won’t be pretty…
This is becoming a real statistical anomaly. I mean, this is a lineup of .250 hitters who can occasionally score runs and occasionally do, though seldom in bunches—fine, that describes most .500 teams. But the odds of a single pitcher in a 5-man rotation on such a team never being the beneficiary of, y’know, a 4-7 run rally in innings 1-5 - which probably last happened to Guts in Little League or something- – are getting very, very long.
You can’t blame Daniel, of course, but what the hell’s going on with this kind of run distribution? “It all evens out” , as they say. OK, when,—early 2013?
Rah Rah Rasputin / Lover of the Russian queen
There was a cat that / Really loved Birds. -- Boney M
godammit...
do you think there’s a bunch of spankee fans talking today about roberts got picked off and laughing abotu it b/c he’s so overrated? i’ll bet. jerks.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
I thought Roch’s blog already indicated that Guthrie did get a little testy at a press conference after his last start with no run support. He then apologized the next day.
I don’t know if he draws a disproportionate number of good pitchers in his starts. His hard luck is certainly exacerbated by the fact that he pitches for the Orioles. His starts are ridiculous. You pretty much write off the game going into it.
no mention?
of Jamie Walker sucking last night? or is that verboten? seriously Jamie, get an effing lefty out sometime this season, eh?
by Dave at Bottomfeeder Baseball on May 29, 2008 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
Jamie Walker giving up a run last night didn't bother me
Because I would bet the little that I have that we weren’t going to score another run if we played another 20 innings yesterday.
And I’m pissed for Guthrie. Like Titov said up there, how much longer can this guy pretend that he’s not pissed off at his team for this?
I love his line from last night, “If you want to win, just don’t give up any runs.” Ouch.
“Well he didn’t do his job well but it’s OK because nine other guys didn’t either.”
I’m gonna hire YOU to be my latex salesman? I don’t think so.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by Scott Christ on May 29, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Guthrie needs to threaten his offense
with the wrath of multiple mormon wives.
"Chickens are hard to catch." Jennifer Scott (Luuuuuuuke's Mom)
Guthrie is a quality pitcher, not an ace
Guthrie’s W-L record has much less to do with the quality of the Orioles offense as the quality of the starting pitching he is matched with. If Guthrie consistently matched up with other teams #2 and #3 pitchers, the offense would be there to help him out.
His opponents this season
4/11 Shields (L 10-5)
4/17 Floyd (W 6-5)
4/22 Felix Hernandez (L 4-2)
4/27 Contreras (L 6-1)
5/2 Jered Weaver (W 4-3)
5/7Blanton (L 6-5)
5/13 Beckett (W 5-4)
5/18 Lannan (L 2-1)
5/23 Garza the Oriole killer (L 0-2)
5/28 Pettite (L 4-2)
The offense doesn’t shut down because Guthrie is on the mound. It shuts down because his rotation placement means he is consistently opposite dominant pitchers.
as a data point
http://baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=204017
BP has Guthrie at an expected win loss record of 4.8-3.8. They aren’t very clear on how much they factor in the opposing pitcher for each game.
It is commonly thrown around that Guthrie’s W-L record is lagging “because he faces all the good pitchers”. So what, he hasn’t pitched poorly himself, so is 2-6 really to be expected? At least the BP site is trying to also balance it with how well he has/hasn’t pitched and factor that into an expectation.
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