Talkin' baseball: Barry Bonds and the union
The Major League Baseball Players Union has "expressed concern" over the lack of offers made to Barry Bonds since the all-time home run king became a free agent. You can read all about it -- it's a cute tale.
I know that this is more than meets the eye at first, and that the union is backing a play and doing something they've certainly done before with less fanfare. They're protecting a member of the union.
But does it simply go without saying that maybe nobody went after this guy because he's a jerk?
Let me even elaborate. For years, I liked Barry Bonds. I have a soft spot for the game's hated characters. Take Albert Belle, who I loved because despite his many off-putting qualities. For one thing, he was a great hitter. For another thing, he always played hard.
I find Ty Cobb to be a fascinating historical figure. I find Ted Williams' moodiness tremendously interesting (like Bill James said, it's hard to imagine, but Williams was as hated as Albert Belle or anyone else in his heyday). History remembers the great Yankee Mickey Mantle warmly, but he was an alcoholic. Even Babe Ruth was no saint.
The point is, baseball is littered with great players who were pretty fundamentally easy to dislike on any number of levels. But the one thing that none of those guys have on their mark is being the spearhead figure of inarguably the most image-damaging scandal in the sport's history. Not only is Bonds cantankerous (to put it nicely), but he's a PR disaster. Bonds is at some point going to be face-to-face with some legal issues that are beyond him. The same, at this point, probably goes for Roger Clemens. I don't hear anyone clamoring to get "The Rocket" back in a uniform anywhere now that he's become the focal point of the PED bombshells.
Barry Bonds can still hit. Roger Clemens is still a better pitcher than most of the guys in the league. But they are nightmare representatives of any team and of the sport itself now. Bonds is the home run king, but does he really have that honor the way that Ruth and Aaron did? Will he ever?
If you sign Barry Bonds, you're opening yourself up to backlash from your fanbase, no matter what he does on the field. If you sign Barry Bonds, you're employing a ticking time bomb. You're offering to openly screw with the makeup of a team, adding a massive distraction who has no redeeming quality past the fact that he can still rake.
This is not the case of a disliked player. It's a villain that we're talking about. As great a hitter as he still is, and as much as I think production = wins = good stuff all around, I can't really see a good scenario for any team picking up the aura around Bonds.
That's why there aren't any offers. Is it collusion? Maybe, sort of. I don't think the owners sat down and went, "No one sign this guy." I think it's entirely possible that 30 owners all thought, "I don't want anything to do with him." Bonds, because he's the player that he is, takes heat for hundreds of players that have cheated the system with performance-enhancing drugs. If you don't think that's particularly fair, I agree with you. It's really not. He did nothing more than David Segui or Jason Grimsley did, really. But he's Barry Bonds, and when you're Barry Bonds, the dung hits the ol' fan at a bit higher of a splatter rate.
He's lied, he's cheated, he's whined, he's complained, he's made no friends along the way, and he's embarrassed and tainted the game of baseball like few others ever have or could. And if he never plays again, that's just the way it is.
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I’m still trying to figure out what Davy Johnson isn’t managing somewhere.
by bentcorner on May 7, 2008 4:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
personal reasons more than anything, I think
by SC on May 7, 2008 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heard him this morning on XM
He sounds like he just doesn’t want to deal with the crap that goes with being an MLB manager these days – it’s less about X’s and O’s than it is being an amateur psychologist. And he’s not exactly young now. Add to that the toll of losing a child to mental illness, and I could see where he would wonder if he really wants to put up with the stress any more.
He sounds like he’s having a blast with USA Baseball. Good for him.
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by duck on May 7, 2008 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Williams, hated in his heyday?
What’s the evidence for that? He had a stormy relationship with the Boston sportswriters (though a pretty decent one with writers in other cities.) Two or three times, he made rude gestures to fickle fans – but he also led the fight against cancer in kids for decades in Boston, precisely because of his overwhelming popularity. He was never once thrown out of a major league ballgame.
Among his fellow ballplayers, it’s hard to find one who didn’t respect and admire him. His acts of anonymous generosity to ballplayers in need often became known years later.
Perhaps the author of the post can indicate just who this was who is alleged to have hated Ted Williams, other than the Boston sportswriters.
by billnowlin on May 7, 2008 7:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hated? I don't know, but Williams certainly had a contentious relationship with fans.
I’ve read it started in his rookie season after an error and a (perceived?) lack of hustle in retrieving a ball that got by him. Fans started heckling Williams and he responded with obscenities. The relationship continued for years. Williams hated criticism, and his reactions made fans all the more willing to give it. Williams himself said that a good number of the regulars came to the game just to get on him. During his playing days, he gave the fans the bird on a number of occasions, spit at them (prompting an apology from management), and blasted them in the press. Williams didn’t just have a poor relationship with the press.
Time has a way of magnifying or ameliorating unpleasantnesses from the past. You seem to want to ameliorate these particular ones with Williams out of existence.
by drj on May 7, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill James, which I indicated already
Leigh Montville, in his book, Ted Williams, also indicated it. And plenty of folks have gone into lengthy detail about Williams’ demeanor and attitude. Williams was a man’s man, but he was a gruff SOB and was not terribly liked. When he managed the team revolted against him for God’s sake.
His acts of anonymous generosity to ballplayers in need often became known years later.
What does that have to do with his heyday? Ty Cobb also paid a lot of ballplayers’ way after they were retired and broke.
by SC on May 7, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he fight against cancer in kids or for cancer in kids?
I seem to remember that he was actually fighting for more cancer in kids. Maybe I’ve got him mixed up with someone else.
by bentcorner on May 7, 2008 7:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By the Union's definition
the world is full of collusion. When a hundred travellers hear a report of a trainwreck on their intended line, they all collude to take cars or planes where they are going instead. Somehow nobody has the fairmindedness to follow Union rules and go down to the rail station and stand around saying “Oh, shit, there really is a trainwreck.”
...one more dying quail a week and you're playing in Yankee Stadium...
by 33 on May 7, 2008 8:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don't ask, don't get..
In this case, ‘collusion’ is probably owners saying to each other “Can you believe what this guy is asking?”. Down the road a couple of months some playoff-happy owner is going to go for it.
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by typozzz on May 7, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
World to Players Union: Oh shut the #$&@ up. I've supported you for years but you've messed your collective pants
on performance-enhancing substances—and you know it. Yes, the owners love to collude. Cripes, they were born to collude, which is why it’s so galling and so bad for the sport that there’s no commissioner, just an owner occupying his office. You should demand an actual Commissioner, and a say in selecting him/her. In the meantime, you need to support Barry by quietly doing nothing to impede either his employment or his prosecution, each of which should be allowed to run its natural course.
World to owners: Stop cackling and shut the &$#@ up. Your hands are dirty on both collusion (decades worth) and (separate) drug/performance-enhancement issues, with all of it made considerably worse by your determined and successful effort in recent years to keep the office of commissioner empty, thus assuring that your “self-regulation” would rival that of Enron, only without consequences for the principals. If any other sport had a history of franchise ownership as stupid as baseball’s, it would be called pro wrestling or dog fighting or something.
World to Barry: Just shut the #@$% up and go away. Please. Game over.
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by Titov on May 7, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
slight quibble...
not really much comparison to the rocket. now you can add serious, high profile personal baggage to the rocket’s parade of horribles, but most importantly, he looked decidedly average last year. barry bonds, on the other hand, hit 28 homers, posted a .480obp and slugged .560. i feel pretty comfortable saying that puts him in the category of one of the league’s top offensive performers. still.
ronnie's a dillweed.
by j.q. higgins on May 7, 2008 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed. Rocket looks done...
...whereas Barry can still terrify pitchers. If the Mariners had a basic understanding of how to compete they would’ve replaced Jose Vidro with Barry Bonds back in February.
I can understand that most teams don’t want to touch the guy…but I think before the season is too much older, somebody will want him. How long till Hank Steinbrenner starts making noise that the Yankees need a new bat?
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on May 7, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
y'know...
i really don’t understand. he will draw people that either want to hate on him or see one of the greatest hitter in the history of the game. if it’s a matter of him not wanting to dh, then i totally get it, b/c he IS pretty much toast as an outfielder.
ronnie's a dillweed.
by j.q. higgins on May 7, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then again
The A’s are running Jack Cust out there in LF. Can Bonds really be worse than him?
Now, I know that’s because the A’s already have 3 DH-types to fit in (plus Daric Barton and Emil Brown), but Bonds has to be better than Cust and about equal to Manny, at the least.
by pipkin on May 7, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clemens
“Decidedly average” is worth a lot of money if you’re a starting pitcher.
by SC on May 7, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really...
decidely average AND a work horse, maybe.
ronnie's a dillweed.
by j.q. higgins on May 7, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds a Bird??
If not for the good possibility that Bonds would somehow manage to disrupt any club house comradery that the Birds currently have, I wouldn’t mind seeing him in an O’s uniform this year. I mean, other than the fact that he may not be good for the young player’s development, (like the post reads) he can still rake. Combine that with the short porch in Camden and the teams low offensive production, it can’t do any harm right? The team is going to lose close to 100 games. O’s fans are already demoralized for the most part right? The guy has and will continue to pay for what he’s “done” to the game. We could get a guy who could protect Nicky in the line-up. Can’t we get him for around 50 cents on a dollar? I realize this move would be frowned upon by O’s faithful, but it really might do more good than harm.
by Illformula on May 7, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
awful idea
Goes against the entire rebuilding idea and all….the money could be better used elsewhere.
Plus, Bonds is a piece of shit.
"We might as well just win this game." -Adam Jones
by exitfare on May 7, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds would help us win a few more games...
...but those games would ultimately be meaningless. I don’t see him signing here, anyway; I don’t think he’s exactly desperate to play. Bonds would make us better in the short term, but add nothing to the rebuilding.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on May 7, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
though, to be fair...
who, of the current positional players ARE adding to the rebuilding outside of jones and markakis?
ronnie's a dillweed.
by j.q. higgins on May 7, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fail to Care
I’ve never liked Bonds. Before the steroids, before the home run chase, when he was just a good player I didn’t like him. He was much too cocky for me to get into him as I like to root for team players. And now, his attitude is probably costing him a major league job. Frank Thomas has an attitude, but he keeps finding work because he’s not a media nightmare. I’m not a fan of his either, but I think Bonds brought this on himself (duh).
by PWubbs on May 7, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Screw the union...
...Let’s sign this bastard!
by se7en on May 7, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
here's the thing
While I think it’s a horrible idea, if they actually did it, I’d just try to have the most fun possible with it. I think.
by SC on May 8, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been thinking this...
since the end of last season
by getxstoked on May 9, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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