Gameday Thread: O's (16-18) @ Royals (15-18)
by SC
on May 8, 2008 5:01 PM EDT
Baltimore Orioles @ Kansas City Royals
| Today's Starting Pitchers | GS | IP | ERA | WHIP | BAA | BB | K | W-L | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
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Daniel Cabrera - RH | 7 | 44.1 | 4.06 | 1.35 | .226 | 23 | 27 | 2-1 |
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Luke Hochevar - RH | 3 | 16.2 | 4.86 | 1.62 | .273 | 9 | 14 | 2-1 |
Hochevar was the No. 1 pick in the 2006 draft. He's a Scott Boras kid, stands 6'5", has a big heater, and has been compared to Kevin Brown, which hopefully just means his pitching.
Cabrera is taller. Thus, I conclude he is better. Win!
Game time is 8:10 on MASN.
 | Baltimore | AB | AVG | OBP | HR | RBI |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Brian Roberts - 2B | 133 | .263 | .353 | 3 | 15 |
| 2 | Melvin Mora - 3B | 136 | .257 | .306 | 4 | 18 |
| 3 | Nick Markakis - RF | 122 | .270 | .395 | 6 | 14 |
| 4 | Aubrey Huff - DH | 124 | .266 | .341 | 5 | 20 |
| 5 | Kevin Millar - 1B | 125 | .224 | .315 | 4 | 15 |
| 6 | Luke Scott - LF | 98 | .286 | .366 | 1 | 10 |
| 7 | Ramon Hernandez - C | 99 | .202 | .234 | 3 | 17 |
| 8 | Adam Jones - CF | 117 | .231 | .272 | 2 | 10 |
| 9 | Freddie Bynum - SS | 0 | .000 | .000 | 0 | 0 |
 | Kansas City | AB | AVG | OBP | HR | RBI |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | David DeJesus - CF | 70 | .314 | .380 | 3 | 16 |
| 2 | Mark Grudzielanek - 2B | 96 | .302 | .350 | 0 | 4 |
| 3 | Alex Gordon - 3B | 125 | .280 | .348 | 4 | 15 |
| 4 | Billy Butler - DH | 121 | .281 | .343 | 1 | 13 |
| 5 | Mark Teahen - RF | 122 | .270 | .350 | 1 | 8 |
| 6 | Alberto Callaspo - LF | 41 | .341 | .426 | 0 | 3 |
| 7 | ROSS GLOAD - 1B | 87 | .276 | .323 | 0 | 9 |
| 8 | John Buck - C | 83 | .253 | .340 | 2 | 12 |
| 9 | Tony Pena, Jr. - SS | 93 | .161 | .177 | 0 | 6 |
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Hochevar is currently sporting a 1.62 WHIP, .273 BAA. He’s young with 4 career starts under his belt. Given the O’s past success with youngsters I smell a big night for Luke.
Over/Under on caught stealing + pickoff + out advancing 1.5
by drj on May 8, 2008 5:35 PM EDT 0 recs
1.5???
What kind of line is that? OVER!
I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH
by BPinOK on
May 8, 2008 5:39 PM EDT
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over...way over
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by BENNY BIRDMAN on
May 8, 2008 5:55 PM EDT
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You guys are overreacting
The O’s have been spectacularly boneheaded as of late. The trend has to curtail at some point. I say they make at most one “Diamond Dave agressive out” tonight.
by drj on
May 8, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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"Diamond Dave agressive out"
Love this phrase.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
May 8, 2008 8:19 PM EDT
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DDAO
Improving the ballclub: Not one of Peter Angelos' concerns.-SC Wed Jan 30, 2008
by dayzd toe on
May 8, 2008 9:02 PM EDT
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FYI
i’ve linked it in a fanshot, but bynum’s been recalled and is tonight’s lineup. torres is walking back to norfolk.
ronnie's a dillweed.
by j.q. higgins on May 8, 2008 6:16 PM EDT 0 recs
2007 OBP .290 SLG .448 OPS .738
Nothing to sell the farm for, but far better than what we’ve been getting.
by math_geek on
May 8, 2008 7:12 PM EDT
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in this lineup...
those slugging numbers are positively ruthian.
ronnie's a dillweed.
by j.q. higgins on
May 8, 2008 7:20 PM EDT
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Hopefully
Hochevar pitches like his picture and passes out from holding his breath about the 2nd inning.
I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH
by BPinOK on May 8, 2008 6:52 PM EDT 0 recs
Does Hochevar have Kevin Brown's amazing exploding elbow?
That would be fun to see.
by Dr Orpheus on May 8, 2008 6:57 PM EDT 0 recs
btw...
that ad in the upper righthand corner of the homepage w/ the two, um, young ladies hooking up? mercy!
ronnie's a dillweed.
by j.q. higgins on May 8, 2008 7:08 PM EDT 0 recs
haha
The Royals TV guys don’t understand Daniel Cabrera. “He’s 98, 99 with his fastball” - no he’s not - “but the key is his slider”—no it’s not.
by SC on May 8, 2008 8:08 PM EDT 0 recs
That's what I thought
but Gameday has Luis batting 9th.
by dkdc on
May 8, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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gameday is making mistakes lately
He listed Sarfate as the reliever yesterday when Bradford came in.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
May 8, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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whoa!
Lex Luger WCW entrance stock music used over the Royals defense.
by SC on May 8, 2008 8:15 PM EDT 0 recs
mora
someone explain to me why hes still on the team
Some people ask me what I do during winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do, I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Roger Hornsby
by dulak8 on May 8, 2008 8:15 PM EDT 0 recs
Any score yet?
Watching Keith Olbermann. Sorry, it’s practically my civic duty as a history teacher.
"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar
by duck on May 8, 2008 8:22 PM EDT 0 recs
That's not agressive baserunning
That’s just fundamental baseball
by dkdc on
May 8, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
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uh oh
DT, seeing Huff advance to 3rd will now encourage Aubrey to steal the next base he can
Librarians are hiding something
by dfa on
May 8, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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eh
I actually get the impression Huff is one of our more intelligent players.
by SC on
May 8, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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God help us if that's true
Maybe he’s just cutting back on the mid-day porn.
"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar
by duck on
May 8, 2008 8:28 PM EDT
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also
Here’s one for everybody: Tony Pena, Jr., makes Luis Hernandez look like Cal Ripken.
by SC on May 8, 2008 8:24 PM EDT 0 recs
dude, tony pena jr. is a helluva defensive SS
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
May 8, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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I'll take Tony Jr. over Luis or Boom Boom
SS is suppose to be most valuable defensive position. If you going to have a sucky bat, you might as well as have it as SS.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
May 8, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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No. This is beyond “sucky bat.” You are out of your mind. He cannot in any world be so good defensively that he can be valuable to your team hitting .161/.177.204. You are plum fuckin crazy, my friend.
by SC on
May 8, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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It's this level
of civil and rational discourse that encourages me to patronize this fair website. :)
"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar
by duck on
May 8, 2008 8:30 PM EDT
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it's only a month into the season.
If he’s hitting .161,/.177/.204 at tne season, then I’ll agree with you.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
May 8, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
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So you’re not arguing that he is in any way beneficial to the Royals right now, right? And that he’d have to be HISTORICALLY EXCELLENT to hit like he did last year and be a true help to any team beyond “pinch runner!” or “defensive replacement!”
by SC on
May 8, 2008 8:32 PM EDT
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no, i'm arguing that his glove is valuable, right now
But if his VORP is -7.6, then clearly his glove isn’t outweighing his offense.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
May 8, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
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Yeah
But he also make Luis look like Derek Jeter with the glove
by dkdc on
May 8, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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dudes, come on.
He’s so bad that there is nothing his defense can do to make up for it. Even Ozzie Smith hit .262/.337 career.
by SC on
May 8, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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didn't tony jr. hit something like that last year
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
May 8, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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to go further
Pena’s OPS+ last year was 66. Ozzie’s - career - was 87. Ozzie had three years in 19 where he was 66 or worse.
by SC on
May 8, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
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Ozzie is a Hall of Famer
Most players in the major leagues don’t compare favorably to Ozzie.
Compare him to Belanger.
by dkdc on
May 8, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
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Belanger is actually a good comparison
Belanger and Davey Concepcion. The importance of both is greatly overstated. The same probably goes for Ozzie, who was better than either of them.
by SC on
May 8, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
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Cano is hitting .160/.216/.256
Tony isn’t going to hit that bad all year.
He will still be one of the worst hitter in the major leagues though.
He’s only a smidge better than Luis, but at least he can back his glove rep up.
by dkdc on
May 8, 2008 8:30 PM EDT
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Cano’s VORP in 2007 was 40.5, down from 49.1 in 2006, and his rookie mark was 21.6.
Pena VORPed negative-7.6 in 2007. Come on, dudes. Seriously.
by SC on
May 8, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
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oh, -7.6 VORP?
Didn’t know that. VORP accounts for defense as well. Yeah, that is pretty bad, never mind, I’ll shut up now.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
May 8, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
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VORP is offense only, actually
It’s adjusted based on the position you play, but it doesn’t give credit for being above average defensively.
I think we all fundamentally agree here, though.
Tony Pena is one of the worst starting shortstops in the majors.
Luis Hernandez is worse than Tony Pena.
by dkdc on
May 8, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
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yes
That’s fair. I’m mostly just really excited that there are other teams who have fans that have to put up with God awful players at shortstop.
by SC on
May 8, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
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A request?
At some point, can you post a FAQ on why the hell I should care about these stats? I’m not being sarcastic, but VORP is still kind of a foreign concept to me. I feel like Brad Pitt in Fight Club
“No, I didn’t quite catch that Lou. Still not quite getting it. Ah, ok ok ok, I got it, I got it, I got it. Shit I lost it.”
"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar
by duck on
May 8, 2008 8:44 PM EDT
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oops, sorry I thought VORP accounted for defense
I thought I remember Rob Neyer saying if he had to only look at one statistic, he would look at VORP because it accounts for both offense and defensive contributions (not just adjustments), maybe he said it was another stat or I’m misremembering what he said.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
May 8, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
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WARP?
That’s Baseball Prospectus’s stat that includes defensive contributions.
I personally don’t like WARP because Baseball Prospectus has pretty bad defensive stats, and WARP gives too much credit for defense.
I think the best thing to do is take VORP and mentally add runs above/below average. If Pena is +10 at shortstop, then he’s just above replacement overall.
by dkdc on
May 8, 2008 8:46 PM EDT
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that might have been it
I think it was one of those 4 letter acronymns. But yeah, I like what you said, Tony Jr is a touch better than Luis. Luis was suppose to bring strong defense with a weak bat. At least Tony Jr. brings his glove.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
May 8, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
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exactly
A 66 OPS+ sucks but it least at least I live with it if he’s a SS and his glove and range are great.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on
May 8, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
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freddie!
sorry i get excited over seeing a ss play well
Some people ask me what I do during winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do, I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Roger Hornsby
by dulak8 on May 8, 2008 8:29 PM EDT 0 recs
There's a reason I put Danny Longlegs on my fantasy team this year
And this is the reason.
by Dr Orpheus on May 8, 2008 8:47 PM EDT 0 recs
Is that in poor taste?
Has anyone noticed that Hochevar, on Gameday, looks like he has a diamond earring? Also, he looks like a stroke victim.
by Dr Orpheus on May 8, 2008 8:49 PM EDT 0 recs
If I'm Nick Markakis, I'm looking
for something to hit on the first pitch – Buck Martinez
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE???
"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar
by duck on May 8, 2008 8:54 PM EDT 0 recs
FUCK YEAH!!!!
TRAGIC TRAGIC TRAGIC TRAGIC TRAGIC TRAGIC TRAGIC TRAGIC
by spike2131 on May 8, 2008 8:56 PM EDT 0 recs
Yeah Nick!
Mora can’t even run on someone else’s HR right!
"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar
by duck on May 8, 2008 8:56 PM EDT 0 recs
Cruise, Danny, cruise!
Just keep throwin’ the heat and sittin’ ‘em down. These don’t all have to be K’s, by the way.
"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar
by duck on May 8, 2008 8:57 PM EDT 0 recs
Strikeouts are fascist.
"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008
Adam Jones is the tits.
by KenDixonFanClub on
May 8, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
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I want to make a sarcastic comment
but can’t bring myself to supporting fascism in any way.
"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar
by duck on
May 8, 2008 9:04 PM EDT
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