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Gameday Thread: O's (16-18) @ Royals (15-18)

Baltimore Orioles @ Kansas City Royals


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  Today's Starting Pitchers GS IP ERA WHIP BAA BB K W-L
Daniel Cabrera - RH 7 44.1 4.06 1.35 .226 23 27 2-1
Luke Hochevar - RH 3 16.2 4.86 1.62 .273 9 14 2-1

Hochevar was the No. 1 pick in the 2006 draft. He's a Scott Boras kid, stands 6'5", has a big heater, and has been compared to Kevin Brown, which hopefully just means his pitching.

Cabrera is taller. Thus, I conclude he is better. Win!

Game time is 8:10 on MASN.

Baltimore AB AVG OBP HR RBI
1 Brian Roberts - 2B 133 .263 .353 3 15
2 Melvin Mora - 3B 136 .257 .306 4 18
3 Nick Markakis - RF 122 .270 .395 6 14
4 Aubrey Huff - DH 124 .266 .341 5 20
5 Kevin Millar - 1B 125 .224 .315 4 15
6 Luke Scott - LF 98 .286 .366 1 10
7 Ramon Hernandez - C 99 .202 .234 3 17
8 Adam Jones - CF 117 .231 .272 2 10
9 Freddie Bynum - SS 0 .000 .000 0 0
Kansas City AB AVG OBP HR RBI
1 David DeJesus - CF 70 .314 .380 3 16
2 Mark Grudzielanek - 2B 96 .302 .350 0 4
3 Alex Gordon - 3B 125 .280 .348 4 15
4 Billy Butler - DH 121 .281 .343 1 13
5 Mark Teahen - RF 122 .270 .350 1 8
6 Alberto Callaspo - LF 41 .341 .426 0 3
7 ROSS GLOAD - 1B 87 .276 .323 0 9
8 John Buck - C 83 .253 .340 2 12
9 Tony Pena, Jr. - SS 93 .161 .177 0 6

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Hochevar is currently sporting a 1.62 WHIP, .273 BAA. He’s young with 4 career starts under his belt. Given the O’s past success with youngsters I smell a big night for Luke.

Over/Under on caught stealing + pickoff + out advancing 1.5

by drj on May 8, 2008 5:35 PM EDT   0 recs

1.5???

What kind of line is that? OVER!

I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH

by BPinOK on May 8, 2008 5:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

over...way over

"Daddy, is Hevan like BIRDLAND?"
"No son, Hevan is BIRDLAND."

by BENNY BIRDMAN on May 8, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What about

Double plays on line drives?

by dkdc on May 8, 2008 6:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Over

drj, don’t work in Vegas.

by math_geek on May 8, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You guys are overreacting

The O’s have been spectacularly boneheaded as of late. The trend has to curtail at some point. I say they make at most one “Diamond Dave agressive out” tonight.

by drj on May 8, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"Diamond Dave agressive out"

Love this phrase.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on May 8, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

DDAO

Improving the ballclub: Not one of Peter Angelos' concerns.-SC Wed Jan 30, 2008

by dayzd toe on May 8, 2008 9:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

FYI

i’ve linked it in a fanshot, but bynum’s been recalled and is tonight’s lineup. torres is walking back to norfolk.

ronnie's a dillweed.

by j.q. higgins on May 8, 2008 6:16 PM EDT   0 recs

Sweet

Hopefully Luis is next to go…

by dkdc on May 8, 2008 6:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

2007 OBP .290 SLG .448 OPS .738

Nothing to sell the farm for, but far better than what we’ve been getting.

by math_geek on May 8, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

in this lineup...

those slugging numbers are positively ruthian.

ronnie's a dillweed.

by j.q. higgins on May 8, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hopefully

Hochevar pitches like his picture and passes out from holding his breath about the 2nd inning.

I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH

by BPinOK on May 8, 2008 6:52 PM EDT   0 recs

btw...

that ad in the upper righthand corner of the homepage w/ the two, um, young ladies hooking up? mercy!

ronnie's a dillweed.

by j.q. higgins on May 8, 2008 7:08 PM EDT   0 recs

haha

The Royals TV guys don’t understand Daniel Cabrera. “He’s 98, 99 with his fastball” - no he’s not - “but the key is his slider”—no it’s not.

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:08 PM EDT   0 recs

what the F

The Royals TV lineup said, for the Orioles:

CF Chulk

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:11 PM EDT   0 recs

who's Chulk?

maybe we should trade Payton for him

by math_geek on May 8, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what I thought

but Gameday has Luis batting 9th.

by dkdc on May 8, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

gameday is making mistakes lately

He listed Sarfate as the reliever yesterday when Bradford came in.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on May 8, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

whoa!

Lex Luger WCW entrance stock music used over the Royals defense.

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:15 PM EDT   0 recs

mora

someone explain to me why hes still on the team

Some people ask me what I do during winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do, I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Roger Hornsby

by dulak8 on May 8, 2008 8:15 PM EDT   0 recs

money

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on May 8, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Any score yet?

Watching Keith Olbermann. Sorry, it’s practically my civic duty as a history teacher.

"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar

by duck on May 8, 2008 8:22 PM EDT   0 recs

yep

Aggressive baserunning has paid off.

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's not agressive baserunning

That’s just fundamental baseball

by dkdc on May 8, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

uh oh

DT, seeing Huff advance to 3rd will now encourage Aubrey to steal the next base he can

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on May 8, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

eh

I actually get the impression Huff is one of our more intelligent players.

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

God help us if that's true

Maybe he’s just cutting back on the mid-day porn.

"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar

by duck on May 8, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

also

Here’s one for everybody: Tony Pena, Jr., makes Luis Hernandez look like Cal Ripken.

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:24 PM EDT   0 recs

yes

So what. He’s hitting .161/.177/.204.

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll take Tony Jr. over Luis or Boom Boom

SS is suppose to be most valuable defensive position. If you going to have a sucky bat, you might as well as have it as SS.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on May 8, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No. This is beyond “sucky bat.” You are out of your mind. He cannot in any world be so good defensively that he can be valuable to your team hitting .161/.177.204. You are plum fuckin crazy, my friend.

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's this level

of civil and rational discourse that encourages me to patronize this fair website. :)

"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar

by duck on May 8, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it's only a month into the season.

If he’s hitting .161,/.177/.204 at tne season, then I’ll agree with you.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on May 8, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So you’re not arguing that he is in any way beneficial to the Royals right now, right? And that he’d have to be HISTORICALLY EXCELLENT to hit like he did last year and be a true help to any team beyond “pinch runner!” or “defensive replacement!”

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no, i'm arguing that his glove is valuable, right now

But if his VORP is -7.6, then clearly his glove isn’t outweighing his offense.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on May 8, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

But he also make Luis look like Derek Jeter with the glove

by dkdc on May 8, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

dudes, come on.

He’s so bad that there is nothing his defense can do to make up for it. Even Ozzie Smith hit .262/.337 career.

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no?

He hit .267/.284.

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

to go further

Pena’s OPS+ last year was 66. Ozzie’s - career - was 87. Ozzie had three years in 19 where he was 66 or worse.

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ozzie is a Hall of Famer

Most players in the major leagues don’t compare favorably to Ozzie.

Compare him to Belanger.

by dkdc on May 8, 2008 8:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Belanger is actually a good comparison

Belanger and Davey Concepcion. The importance of both is greatly overstated. The same probably goes for Ozzie, who was better than either of them.

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cano is hitting .160/.216/.256

Tony isn’t going to hit that bad all year.

He will still be one of the worst hitter in the major leagues though.

He’s only a smidge better than Luis, but at least he can back his glove rep up.

by dkdc on May 8, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cano’s VORP in 2007 was 40.5, down from 49.1 in 2006, and his rookie mark was 21.6.

Pena VORPed negative-7.6 in 2007. Come on, dudes. Seriously.

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oh, -7.6 VORP?

Didn’t know that. VORP accounts for defense as well. Yeah, that is pretty bad, never mind, I’ll shut up now.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on May 8, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

VORP is offense only, actually

It’s adjusted based on the position you play, but it doesn’t give credit for being above average defensively.

I think we all fundamentally agree here, though.

Tony Pena is one of the worst starting shortstops in the majors.

Luis Hernandez is worse than Tony Pena.

by dkdc on May 8, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yes

That’s fair. I’m mostly just really excited that there are other teams who have fans that have to put up with God awful players at shortstop.

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A request?

At some point, can you post a FAQ on why the hell I should care about these stats? I’m not being sarcastic, but VORP is still kind of a foreign concept to me. I feel like Brad Pitt in Fight Club

“No, I didn’t quite catch that Lou. Still not quite getting it. Ah, ok ok ok, I got it, I got it, I got it. Shit I lost it.”

"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar

by duck on May 8, 2008 8:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oops, sorry I thought VORP accounted for defense

I thought I remember Rob Neyer saying if he had to only look at one statistic, he would look at VORP because it accounts for both offense and defensive contributions (not just adjustments), maybe he said it was another stat or I’m misremembering what he said.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on May 8, 2008 8:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

WARP?

That’s Baseball Prospectus’s stat that includes defensive contributions.

I personally don’t like WARP because Baseball Prospectus has pretty bad defensive stats, and WARP gives too much credit for defense.

I think the best thing to do is take VORP and mentally add runs above/below average. If Pena is +10 at shortstop, then he’s just above replacement overall.

by dkdc on May 8, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that might have been it

I think it was one of those 4 letter acronymns. But yeah, I like what you said, Tony Jr is a touch better than Luis. Luis was suppose to bring strong defense with a weak bat. At least Tony Jr. brings his glove.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on May 8, 2008 8:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

exactly

A 66 OPS+ sucks but it least at least I live with it if he’s a SS and his glove and range are great.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on May 8, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

YES!

More Lex Luger over the defensive lineup!

by SC on May 8, 2008 8:28 PM EDT   0 recs

freddie!

sorry i get excited over seeing a ss play well

Some people ask me what I do during winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do, I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Roger Hornsby

by dulak8 on May 8, 2008 8:29 PM EDT   0 recs

Is that in poor taste?

Has anyone noticed that Hochevar, on Gameday, looks like he has a diamond earring? Also, he looks like a stroke victim.

by Dr Orpheus on May 8, 2008 8:49 PM EDT   0 recs

If I'm Nick Markakis, I'm looking

for something to hit on the first pitch – Buck Martinez
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE???

"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar

by duck on May 8, 2008 8:54 PM EDT   0 recs

FUCK YEAH!!!!

TRAGIC TRAGIC TRAGIC TRAGIC TRAGIC TRAGIC TRAGIC TRAGIC

by spike2131 on May 8, 2008 8:56 PM EDT   0 recs

Yeah Nick!

Mora can’t even run on someone else’s HR right!

"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar

by duck on May 8, 2008 8:56 PM EDT   0 recs

Cruise, Danny, cruise!

Just keep throwin’ the heat and sittin’ ‘em down. These don’t all have to be K’s, by the way.

"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar

by duck on May 8, 2008 8:57 PM EDT   0 recs

Strikeouts are fascist.

"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008

Adam Jones is the tits.

by KenDixonFanClub on May 8, 2008 9:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I want to make a sarcastic comment

but can’t bring myself to supporting fascism in any way.

"If you're a fantasy baseball player, don't pick anybody from the Orioles. ... Nobody is going to pop your eyes out. But if you're in the American League East, bring your lunch, because you're going to need it." - Kevin Millar

by duck on May 8, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

NICK!

"Might as well just win this game." - Adam Jones, 4/17/2008

Adam Jones is the tits.

by KenDixonFanClub on May 8, 2008 8:58 PM EDT