Gameday Thread: O's (32-32) @ Red Sox (41-27)
by Scott Christ on Jun 12, 2008 5:12 PM EDT
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| Today's Starting Pitchers | GS | IP | ERA | WHIP | BAA | HR | BB | K | W-L | |
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Jeremy Guthrie - RH | 14 | 90.0 | 3.40 | 1.20 | .242 | 11 | 24 | 59 | 3-6 |
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Jon Lester - LH | 14 | 82.1 | 3.50 | 1.37 | .248 | 7 | 36 | 54 | 4-3 |
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Wasn't
AMA saying earlier that Lester had a chance to make the ASG? It’s a damn shame Guts doesn’t have the Ws b/c he is clearly the better pitcher of those two.
I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH
well...
maybe one day, when trembley is managing the AS team, he can get his revenge.
oh, wait…what?
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jun 12, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
They lost
on the road, to a team as expected getting all the calls, with their best two players doing nothing offensively, in a championship series they still lead 2-1. Um ouch.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 12, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
VORP:
Guthrie 16.9
Lester 15. 8
Lester: 82.3 IP, 77 H, 7 HR, 125 ERA+, 54:36 K:BB
Guthrie: 90 IP, 83 H, 11 HR, 125 ERA+, 59:24 K:BB
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 12, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
<—-orioles
"Rarely do you see two guys misjudge a ball"
Only on the O’s…
Nick Markakis: The Actual Greek God of Walks
Drunk Gary
Could have caught it….
With Varitek getting the start off tonight, and all, whatever that means.
50 pitches, 6 full counts so far.
St Guts is working for it tonight.
Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.
he works hard for his money...
so you BETTER treat him right!
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jun 12, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll contribute to a buy Ramon a bus ticket to Norfolk fund.
Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.
cubs to the rescue...again!
they’ve signed ben broussard.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
chi trib says also that
The Cubs will call up Triple-A outfielder Micah Hoffpauir one day earlier than expected on Thursday to take Soriano’s roster spot.
Yes, I should say that, which, I should say that.
they also have pie and murton
obviously.
they’d make a decent platoon in the outfield but take up two spots.
Yes, I should say that, which, I should say that.
well, now...
and even eric patterson looks decent, micah hoffpaiur or ben broussard are really no better than luis terrero or oscar salazar (i.e. AAAA journey men). that’s maybe the utltimate destination of costanzo and moore, but they’re still young enough to contribute. fwiw, moore’s been hitting like a motherfucker lately.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jun 12, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
mlb.tv blowing donkey dicks
am i the only one getting terrible stream tonight?
Yes, I should say that, which, I should say that.
Go Canes!
I didn’t know there was another Miami person on here.
Have you been to...
Hall of Canes? They’re a really good SB Canes blog.
That was pretty atrocious...
How can you miss that stolen base call?
There should be a penalty box for umpires that blow easy calls
you could throw rotten fruit at them for an inning or two…that’d be awesome
I don't know how popular I'll be here...
But I firmly believe that any replay system should include plays at bases like that. It’s not that hard; limit the number of challenges coaches could use, like in the NFL.
People say that it should only include home run plays, because “they have a direct impact on the game,” but getting rid of the lead-off base runner has a huge impact too. I think this whole replay debate is absurd.
i agree
somebody has to explain to me how - if they add replay - they’re going to avoid clusterfucks like if the batter keeps running and the defense stops playing because batter thinks it’s fair and defense thinks it’s foul
Yes, I should say that, which, I should say that.
Great pep talk Kranny gave Guthrie with the bases loaded
Maybe he said something like, “Just throw it down the middle of the plate. The worst that can happen is that we’re down 5-zip.”
I was kind of hoping that Guthrie would have a bigtime outing, to increase his ALl Star chances. That’s pretty much out of reach now.
Hey Coco - Adam Jones woulda caught that
Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.
Chip away, guys, chip away.
"He’s in trouble. Whatever he throws me, I’m going to hit it."
-- Alex Cintron
he looks like the type of guy who picks fight with people who weren't asking for trouble
at a bar… like, the undersized man complex.
Can I just say
Go Lakers.
"He’s in trouble. Whatever he throws me, I’m going to hit it."
-- Alex Cintron
hey, dudes, look at me!
i’m going to go brag about our basketball team in an BASEBALL blog dedicated to a team in ANOTHER CITY!
THAT’LL SHOW ‘EM!
I forgot
conversations with Oriole fans are one-way only
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Which
would also explain why I got no response re: Lester above. Go figure.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
You are right though...
Lester is CLEARLY the better pitcher. Unless of course he pitched in any other ball park in the world. I must be in a bad mood today because your douchebaggery really never bothered me but should you step in front of a bus today I would probably manage a smile.
I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH
I'm sorry
did I say he was clearly the better pitcher? No, in fact, you said Guthrie was “clearly” the better pitcher which is clearly not true. I have no idea what the ballpark has to do with it. That’s a non sequitir.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, 'cause Boston's ballpark is SOOOOO
much like every other AL ballpark, the slight differences are meaningless.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
What
Fenway would probably make it HARDER on a lefthanded pitcher, not easier. Plus do you understand the concept of VORP and ERA+? They’re park neutral. Try again.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
It just turns out those three or four times a year the Orioles actually win I’ve got something else to do. Like making NOT jokes, Borat.
Where’s the dildo who said the Celtics were just a team of stars who beat up on the inferior East? Which was retarded then and ultra-retarded now. Didn’t hear from him lately. You dudes spend an awful lot of time ragging on shit and then turtle up pretty easily. Speaking of which, I’m still waiting for an explanation as to how Jeremy Guthrie is “clearly” better than Jon Lester.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Because
how’s that? Because he doesn’t play in Boston, because he had a lower BAA, because he’s walked 12 less people in 8 more innings, because I like him better, because he’s not a cancer in the clubhouse.
I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH
Wrong
Lester 18.1
Guthrie 14.8
Quite a swing after last night’s mess of an outing. But even if we take last night’s numbers, where Guthrie was ONE run ahead (due to pitching 8 more innings), he is STILL not “clearly” (your words, friend) a better pitcher, which is my bone of contention.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
re
I guess I’ll wait for a couple bad outings by Lester and we’ll revisit. And you are not my friend.
I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH
And I bet
even then NEITHER ONE WILL BE “CLEARLY” BETTER THAN THE OTHER. Hello?
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
As to not actually get drawn into this argument
I present career statistics. Zero analysis, just raw figures. Draw your own conclusions and then argue some more amongst yourselves.
W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO10 12 3.99 63 42 0 0 0 1 307.0 298 146 136 40 10 99 20716 5 4.20 42 41 1 1 0 0 233.2 236 113 109 24 8 111 167Top is Guthrie
Bottom is Lester
"Chickens are hard to catch." Jennifer Scott (Luuuuuuuke's Mom)
Maybe you would and that's fine
but he’s not clearly better. Not this year, not over their short careers, nothing.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
What I do find interesting
is the no. of no decisions between the two.
Guthrie-20 ND in 42 starts
Lester-20 ND in 41 starts
Does Lester get hosed by his offense as much as Guthrie or let off the hook more by his offense?
"Chickens are hard to catch." Jennifer Scott (Luuuuuuuke's Mom)
And another thing
I have a job, a mortgage, and a kid on the way. Sometimes life gets in the way of replying right away. You are CLEARLY Asshole Mike Asshole. I’m pretty sure you won’t need much proof for it either. I’m done.
I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH
But every game they win
suddenly your social calendar frees up? Must suck to be you.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
Actually
if you can find me coming in here unsolicited to heckle the Orioles after a loss, I would be stunned. I only take the time to respond to the clear and present idiocy that dribbles out from some of you people.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And for the record
I am on record as stating I don’t give a flying fuck about basketball. Just so we’re clear.
Fucking genetic mutants bouncing a ball and yellin’ FOUL when they get tapped on the wrist…
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
Umm.. yeah, duck...
easy there with the genetic mutants, thing. Not that I’m offended or anything but I’m 6’4” and just happen to play ball. Also, I believe the average height for male americans has risen from 5’7” or something to close to 5’9” or 10” over the last several decades. Just sayin’.
"Chickens are hard to catch." Jennifer Scott (Luuuuuuuke's Mom)
The average NBA player
is WAY above 6’4”, dude. Point guards are above 6’4” these days.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
I know...
kind of my point… people (americans) are getting bigger, and I don’t mean only fatter, that doesn’t necessarily make them mutants…. now Yao Ming and the other god damn 8 footers… yeah, there’s no other term than mutant.
"Chickens are hard to catch." Jennifer Scott (Luuuuuuuke's Mom)
Where do I start?
1. Saying NOT predates Borat by about a decade. You can attribute its popularity to Mike Myers, comic genius.
2. Gee, I’m guessing you said “3 or 4 times a year” not realizing that we’ve already beaten you four times this year, Einstein. IN fact, you’re barely breaking .500 against us, with a record of 5-4.
Since this is a sub-thread about who shows up when, I’ll throw down right now and challenge you to put your money where your mouth is.
I’ll bet you a case of your choice of beer that the Orioles beat Boston at least once more this year. So you can either back up your petty little insult with some benjamins, or SYFP. Your choice.
32-13
over the last three years. I am certainly not going to bet with you since the Orioles will definitely win at least one more game, but they will most definitely suck.
And have you not seen Borat? He makes NOT jokes which shows that he is cluelessly out of touch because he’s from Kazakhstan. What’s your excuse?
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
My excuse is not having been hip enough to see Borat yet.
We actually got it on Nextflix. It’s been sitting in my DVD player for about a monht now.
See, I admit it when you’ve got me, which makes me a reasonable person.
But you? You’re all talk and no game, Mike. Now you’re saying we’re going to win at least five games against you this year, when above you said four.
So now you’re saying Boston will go 14-5 against us. Or is it more? Maybe next post you’ll say we win six.
Propose a bet. What do you want to say, 14-5? 13-6? 12-7? All of Camden Chat is watching. Are you afraid to actually lay something on the line other than your flapping jaw? If you won’t back up your words with something meaningful, then you’re just a coward.
C’mon, let’s see what you’re made of. It’ll be wicked awesome.
Well I'll tell you what, broseph
As wonderful as it is for you to think I’ll take the sucker’s bet as you focus on the particularities (3 or 4 wins a year) rather than the generalities (the Orioles suck), I’m not going to do that. I will say that if the Orioles finish within 15.5 games of the Sox, I will not only sponsor some jabroni ass $5 Oriole on baseball-reference, WITH an accompanying pro-Oriole message, I will also not visit this site the entire god damn offseason.
Now on the other hand, should the Orioles finish 16 or more games out, you will sponsor an equivalent Sox jabroni with some kind of pro-Sox message. You don’t have to do anything to correspond with me avoiding the site, because, let’s face it, you have to go through life an Oriole fan. That’s bad enough.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
as much as it defies me to agree...
let’s face it, you have to go through life an Oriole fan. That’s bad enough.
A humorous statement and very true the last decade.
"Chickens are hard to catch." Jennifer Scott (Luuuuuuuke's Mom)
ha
so now you DON’T want to focus on particularities? But you are nit-picking my choice of words?
I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH
I'm not even sure what your point is
but, I guess, yes. Guthrie is not better than Lester. Lester is not better than Guthrie. Get over it.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
well, that's kind of a sucker bet as well.
For one thing, we will likely be worse after the AL break than before, as we will dump more players. For another thing, you’re changing the parameters. The point was you said we’d only beat Boston 3-4 times this year. My point was, we already have. Then you said,
32-13
over the last three years. I am certainly not going to bet with you since the Orioles will definitely win at least one more game, but they will most definitely suck.
Changing the bet to one of how many games we finish back of you lets other teams into the equation….like all the teams that are better than Boston that actually do beat us regularly. E.g., Tampa Bay, who we are 3-8 against, and who actually scare me a lot more than Boston does right now.
No, the bet should be Boston vs. Baltimore, head-to-head. The stakes above are perfect. Let’s just figure out the terms. I mean, if the all-powerful Red Sox can’t beat us regularly in the season series (or close to it), I guess we can’t suck that much, right?
Well
I was clearly being facetious to make a larger point (the Orioles suck) which is absolutely true. So if you want me to say the Orioles may in fact win five games this year, I will. In fact, I already did. You clung to the 3-4 games thing because you’ve got nothing else going on re: the actual point.
The reason it’s a sucker’s bet is because the Orioles could get a little dribbler to beat Devern Hansack in September when the Sox have already clinched and there you are. Frankly I’d be fine with that because I’m a big picture guy, and in the big picture, the Orioles will as always be way the hell behind. I’d rather bet on something that matters.
It seems like it’s you who won’t stand behind your team’s ability to finish within 15 freakin games of first place, and for all the jabbering around here about how Pedroia sucks, Youkilis sucks, Beckett sucks, Lester sucks, etc., should really not be a problem, right? If the Red Sox are full of overrated players, the O’s should easily finish within 15, probably even single digits!
And do I need to remind you that the O’s are 13-32 against the Sox over the last three years? I think they handle them just fine thanks.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 14, 2008 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
re
Roberts > Skeeter Pedrioa
Guts > Lester
Guts (and rest of staff) < Beckett
Beckett’s necklace < Sherrill’s flattbill
Youkilis seems like an asshole and I think Manny agrees but still > Millar
I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH
Still waiting
for that evidence on Lester vs. Guthrie
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 14, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
and I feel for you. You would be a lot more tolerable with some of both.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 15, 2008 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, how presumptuous of you
the bet was within 15 games of the Red Sox, not 15 games of first place. the two are not the same thing at all.
Fine. So you were “clearly” being facetious. I don’t think it was “clear” at all, but that’s a separate argument in this thread.
If the Sox win 95 games or so (I guess it’s possible), the Orioles are going to have to play .500 ball for the rest of the year to stay within 15.5 games, despite an obvious upcoming talent dump for prospects in July. So, um, that’s a sucker bet for me.
Are you really such a pussy that you won’t bet on the Orioles-Sox head to head? How fucking lame of you, and how not surprising at the same time. I asked you to make a counter proposal of the Sox-Orioles season series record, and the only one you can come up with is one where you get other teams to help you out.
Okay, pussy. I’ll take your shitty bet, just for the POSSIBILITY that it might keep you away from CC for the offseason.
The bet is thus:
if the Orioles finish within 15.5 games of the Sox, [AMA] will not only sponsor some jabroni ass $5 Oriole on baseball-reference, WITH an accompanying pro-Oriole message, [he] will also not visit this site the entire god damn offseason.Now on the other hand, should the Orioles finish 16 or more games out [of the Sox], [zknower] will sponsor an equivalent Sox jabroni with some kind of pro-Sox message.
Agreed?
And SC, can we get another sidebar for this?
15.5 behind the Sox
and 15.5 behind first place is the same thing. And you don’t think the O’s can play .500 for three months!? Ha! I guess that says it all.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 15, 2008 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
You're on
I’m going to go see if Rolando Arrojo is available on B-R.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 16, 2008 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He appears to be
I think if you win, you’ll have to sponsor either Bret Barberie or Jim Traber. Traber’s probably the better call. Maybe I’ll make a poll….
In any case, GAME ON!
Also
the sidebar would be, like, the standings. I know Oriole fans try to avoid them.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 15, 2008 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Guy has No. VA bandwagon written all over him, but can't let go of the O's
Why else the preoccupation with an O’s blog?
Homey
How many times do I have to explain this? I came to this blog because I know the boss man on the internets and I enjoy his thoughts and opinions. I did not google “Oriole blog full of tards” and start flaming away.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy there, big guy.
“Oriole blog full of tards.” Not so much. “Oriole blog possibly containing some tards…” yeah, that’ll slide.
However, thank you. Now when someone does google “Oriole blog full of tards” we just might end up no 1.
"Chickens are hard to catch." Jennifer Scott (Luuuuuuuke's Mom)
Oh my. So if this is true...
Maybe the boss man can take this to heart:
When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
I have to believe No, VA.
Frankly
I think you are a Sox fan on the inside, considering a good 75% of your posts refer to them in some way. It’s ok. Let it out.
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 13, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
drj, hope you don’t mind…(no mod superpowers at work, anyone can do this by clicking on a user’s user name).
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Yeah, 75 PERCENT of his posts are PHN related…..
AMA, most of us out-grow this kind of “the world revolves around ME!” egocentric world view by age 3 or so.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
really.
You could be entertaining if you used some wit and intelligence in your put downs instead of grade school name calling
I just don’t think it’s in you.
Papelbon Papelbon Papelbon
Big Papi
YOOOOOUK
BEAT LA
Fenway South
Fenway South
You don’t have to pretend Cal Ripken was all THAT great anymore. Go ahead!
by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jun 14, 2008 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I Hate Youks
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
His last few weeks have been pretty good!
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
nights like this
make me wonder why sometimes.
Why?
Why do I do this to myself? Why do I hope the O’s can win a series from the Sox?
Why is there war? Why can’t we just love one another?
Etc.
P.S. I would enjoy seeing Manny and Youklis collide at full speed, head to head, going after a pop fly. Yes, I would enjoy that very very much. With Coco Crisp coming in for sloppy seconds.
I would prefer to see Manny, Youkilis and Crisp go 0-5 every game they play us
and look as ridiculous at the plate as most of our guys do against red sox pitching (sans oki)
look at the brightside...
we get to play the Pirates tomorrow.
and they aren’t near the same level as the red sox.
also, 5-4 on this road trip, 12-13 in that brutal 4 week stretch, I’d say that’s better than most of us expected.
Thank God I'll be seeing some real baseball in Seattle this weekend
M’s vs. gNats….Go Bedard you Cy Young contender!
Can't wait to see
the O’s beat up onb the Pirates on Saturday!
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
not to harsh anyone's mellow...
but isn’t interleague generally where the orioles fan’s hope goes to die? though, there’s nothing i’d rather see more than them give the pirates the what-for, then shove a big hunk of red clay in miggy’s face, but yo tengo mucho miedo.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
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