Why SEA fans should be mad at Bedard
Seattle has become rather quickly disenchanted with Erik Bedard. But it isn't his numbers that have writers, fans, and a certain ex-general manager up in arms. It's pieces of Erik's character that were evident long before we shipped him to the Pacific Northwest.
From Jim Caple of ESPN.com:
Most everyone liked the deal for Bedard, who was expected to join Felix Hernandez to give Seattle the best 1-2 punch in the league.
Well, things didn't quite work out as expected. Bedard hasn't performed poorly, especially when you consider that he apparently is pitching without a gut or a spine. He routinely bails out of games at the 100-pitch mark so he can go set up the Cone of Silence at his locker, which is hardly what you're looking for in your ace.
Well, Jim, when didn't Erik run for the showers after a win in Baltimore, let alone a loss. His post-game pressers, when they actually happened, were stuff of legend with The Sun. I'm pretty sure Roch actually had a bet on how few sentences Erik would utter before he left. This isn't exactly new.
From Jerry Brewer, Seattle Times columnist:
Over the past week, Seattle was the worst sports town in America.
It fell to the bottom of the standings faster than Erik Bedard asks out of games. The futility astounded.
Well, Jerry, Erik wasn't exactly a late inning stud when he was with the Orioles, either. But as Stacey pointed out in a post earlier this month, Erik isn't that far off what other "ace" pitchers do in pitch counts:
But like you said, there is so much more wrong with the Mariners than Erik Bedard.
I thought the "100 pitch pitcher" line was pretty interesting, so I looked up his stats. In his 12 starts this year, he has pitched over 100 on 6 of them, although it's usually between 100-110. In fact, 110 is the most pitches he's thrown all year. Last year he made 28 starts, and he pitched over 100 pitches in 21 of them (75%). He did go deeper last year, though, throwing greater than 110 pitches 10 times, the most being 120. For comparison's sake, since Erik was obtained by Seattle to be their "ace," here are some stats on other teams aces (2007 season).
Boston: In 30 starts, Josh Beckett pitched greater than 100 pitches in 20 of them (67%) . He pitched greater than 110 pitches in 10 starts, and the most in one game was 118 (once).
Cleveland: In 34 starts, C.C. Sabathia pitched greater than 100 pitches in 27 of them (79%). He pitched greater than 110 pitches in 8 times, most in one game 119 (twice)
Tampa Bay: In 34 starts, Scott Kazmir pitched greater than 100 pitches in 26 of them (76%). He pitched greater than 110 pitches 11 times, most in one game 118.
So, Erik is doing what other ace pitchers do in terms of pitch count, or not far from it, at least.
My main question is this: Didn't ANYONE in the M's organization do ANY due diligence? How is any of this a surprise? Erik's started 30 games in a season once. Once. He's been on the DL, I believe, almost every season he's been in the majors. He's had a Tommy John surgery. And he's never done press. Ever. Dude grew up speaking French (or whatever version of the language they speak in Canada) and didn't learn conversational English until college.
One writer who does get it right is Chris Bahr of the Sporting News. I don't usually read his stuff, so I don't know if he's typically a hack or what, but he pinpoints why Seattle fans SHOULD be mad at Bedard. Not the terse press conferences. Not his perceived lack of toughness. But the fact that he stinks this year as a pitcher. His thoughts:
In addition to his severe case of the ouchies, Bedard's stats have taken a nosedive with his new team. His K/9 is down, his K/BB and K/9 ratios are his worst since the 2004 season, and his WHIP has skyrocketed. One preseason prognostication has proved true, however: his success at Safeco Field. Bedard has a 2.30 ERA in seven home starts and a 6.59 ERA in six road starts.
And as I noted in a recent Inside Pitch column, take away Bedard's two strong starts against the Red Sox -- a team he always seems to torment -- and his ERA goes from 3.97 to 4.63.
I guess I'm amazed that a corporation worth hundreds of millions would devote 5 players it has developed and the promise of tens of millions of dollars on a player it knew nothing more about than a 2 minute search on www.baseball-reference.comwould have yielded. Honestly, surprised by the advesarial relationship with the media? Really? Surprised at the early exits from the game and the clubhouse? Really? Did you ask anyone associated with Baltimore - beat writers, clubhouse staff, former O's employees, Leo Mazzone - what problems Erik might bring?
With that much money and that number of players on the line, if the Mariners didn't know what they were getting with Erik Bedard, then don't cry now when he acts likes he's acted for the last 3 years. We won't shed a tear.
UPDATE 1: Gotta add what Bill Bavasi said on his way out the door:
This is what Bavasi said after his firing when asked why Bedard couldn't go beyond 100 pitches in half of his first 12 starts:
"You got to ask him," Bavasi said. "Good luck. And he's going to have some stupid answer, some dumbass answer." (Corrected for original language - The Sun edited his remark)
How this man lasted this long as a general manager is beyond me. He never knew this about Erik? Really? And it isn't like Erik didn't tell them he wasn't their pitching messiah. After his first start (from the same article as above):
I ain't God. I ain't going to do miracles here," Bedard said in April. "I am going to do my best and try to do what I did last year, and if it happens, it happens."
See, no Orioles fan was surprised in the least by that quote. That's Erik being Erik. And yet they're shocked. Good luck trading him, guys. We'll give you Luis Hernandez and Brandon Fahey to take him off your hands if you want. We're used to it.
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Great diary.
It’s stuff like this that makes you realize: a lot of FOs are filled with people coasting on their relationships with other FO types, their past glory, etc. How hard would it have been to read a few, I dunno, BLOGS before you pulled the trigger.
Read the blogs and you get the analysis of hundreds of fans who 1) care passionately about their team; 2) want their guy to succeed, but 3) won’t pull any punches.
All that said, no one would care about Bedard’s pressers if he was pitching up to speed. I know I certainly didn’t.
When he won, I couldn't care less
and when he lost, well, it wasn’t his pressers I was worried about.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
My main question is this: Didn’t ANYONE in the M’s organization do ANY due diligence? How is any of this a surprise?
They did. They’re frustrated and anger. Frustrated and anger people say off the cuff things that sound stupid.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
The quotes I have seen
makes Erik’s press habits and early exits seem like a new development when it’s not. The sucking? Well, that is new.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
Here's the thing
I’m always suspicious when sports writers criticize athletes for not being approachable or accommodating for the media.
It’s not Erik’s job to make Jerry Brewer or whoever’s job easier.
It’s not even really his job to engage with fans. His job is to throw a little leather ball past big men with sticks. That’s it. He’s been pretty good at that, and there are legit criticisms of his commitment to that. But I don’t care if he talks to the media. It’s not his job.
The hypocritical thing with SEA
is they are acting like it’s a new thing. It’s not. He did this when he was winning in Baltimore. Why the fake outrage and surprise – you should have known he was going to be like this, Seattle fans!
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
Excellent stuff, duck
I have to think the reason the M’s, their fans, and the Seattle press are just grasping at whatever they can get their hands on, desperate for a scapegoat. Erik hasn’t changed one bit. I know a lot of writers have a hard time with him, and I think that’s fair, but he’s not ever going to change.
As far as his skills this year, according to your stats above, it’s true. He’s not as dominant this year as he was last year based on end of the season stats. But if you look at his game logs from last year and this year, you can see it’s really not all that different. As we all remember, Erik really hit his stride in 2007 right around this time of year. It was June 21st that Erik went on his string of 12 starts where the team got the win. That’s when his numbers piled up and that’s what Seattle remembers about him in 2007.
Erik hasn’t changed at all. He’s always been delicate and he always will be. I think we understood that in Baltimore. I don’t think it’s fair to say he doesn’t have a gut or a spine, though. I think at this point it doesn’t matter what Erik does in Seattle. He’s fast becoming their Glenn Davis and even if he does pick it up this year, he’ll always be a symbol of this horrible year in Seattle.
"We’re not concerned about what other teams think. I know teams come in here thinking we’re playing the Orioles. And then 9 innings later, they got the loss, they know what we’re about." ~Adam Jones
Sorry I forgot the "e" in your name
I’ll edit to fix
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
typical sportswriter horseshit
He doesn’t WANT to be an ace. He WANTS to be a SISSY MAN.
The guy’s never thrown 200 innings in a season. Who in the hell did they think they were acquiring? Steve Carlton?
You know what the real problem is? The sissy ass Mariners blaming Erik Bedard for their crappy season. They were due to suck this year BECAUSE THEY WERE INCREDIBLY F-ING LUCKY LAST YEAR.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
I bet Erik is looking back
at his time in Baltimore a little more fondly now….
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
well yeah
We’re much better than Seattle.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by Scott Christ on Jun 23, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That, too
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
Remember when we kicked Seattle's ass at the beginning of the season?
That was fun.
"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."
ah...
the halcyon days of o’flaherty.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jun 24, 2008 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
These Seattle sportswriters
need to shut the fuck up. I think it’s pretty obvious that Bedard’s getting a load of shit from the press out there for 2 reasons:
1) The Mariners suck – as anybody who followed the sport could have told you would happen with or without Bedard, before the season started. Yet they put all their hopes in this trade which did not improve the ballclub.
2) Much like during his tenure in Baltimore, Bedard does not want to want to play grabass and snap towels in the locker room with the sportswriters. We already heard Roch’s whining and bullshit about this when Bedard was here. Now we get it from a bunch of jackasses who also had the bright idea of pinning the woes of their franchise on that new asshole who won’t make their job easier by providing them with copy.
Here’s the breaks – Bedard’s 2008 stats so far:
ERA: 3.97
K/BB: 63/31
WHIP: 1.32
ERA*+: 100
These are completely serviceable numbers. They’re not outstanding – but he was also injured first half, which as has been pointed out is nothing new in his career. I would expect a better second half if he stays healthy. Regardless, he is not the problem with this franchise.
What I find amusing though is imagining that douchebag Roch in the conversation about Bedard you know is taking place with his Seattle colleagues when the O’s play the M’s…
“Oh yeah. I told ya. Didn’t I tell ya? Like getting blood from a stone. And people accused me of trying to run him outta town like Eddie Murray. Can you believe that shit? Now they see. Just like I told ya, right?...”
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All this bitchin about Bedard is ridiculous. I even read one writer say that if you take away his two Boston starts, his ERA jumps up considerably, because, you know, starts against Boston are somehow less important. Plus, start off slow last year before turning into a strikeout machine. Same thing might happen this year.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
Yeah... about him...
can we get him?
"Chickens are hard to catch." Jennifer Scott (Luuuuuuuke's Mom)
Him
and Tex? Works for me. We still need a big league SS and 3B too though.
I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH

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