Phat Albers out for two months to a year
by the fix is in
on Jun 28, 2008 10:43 AM EDT
MRI exam shows right-hander is suffering from torn right labrum
WASHINGTON -- One day after putting reliever Matt Albers on the 15-day disabled list, the Orioles got word Friday that the right-hander will not be ready in 15 days. An MRI on Albers' injured right shoulder showed that the reliever was suffering from a tear in his labrum.
Dave Trembley expands:
"He could rehab it, but if he rehabbed it, it would probably be almost a two-month period before he could pitch again," Trembley said. "Or he could go the route of surgery. He wants to discuss that with some people and consider what he's going to do. Obviously, that's a real big blow for our club. He did such a great job for us."
Albers status not encouraging to O's
This is definitely NOT GOOD NEWS at all. Albers has been eating up innings all year, and although he makes me nervous at times, I would always much rather have him come in the game than almost anyone else, including ChadBrad, Walker, and even Sarfate.
There's a hole in our bullpen now. I haven't looked at the AAA roster, so I have no idea who we're gonna call up.
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It's a huge hole in our bullpen
The guy served as an effective spot starter, and you’d have no reservations putting him in to long relief.
There’s no one in our bullpen I’d feel comfortable giving that task to. I don’t want to sound doom-and-gloom, but I have a feeling we’re going to find out how important he was to our team in the next month or so.
Off the subject, I REALLY hope we don’t get Felipe Lopez.
by Y Not on Jun 28, 2008 10:54 AM EDT 0 recs
wow.. brain's on backwards
“The guy served as an effective long reliever, and you’d have no reservations putting him in for a spot start.”
by Y Not on
Jun 28, 2008 10:55 AM EDT
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Albers should get the surgery
Rehabbing dont often help torn labrums,best route is surgery out a yr or a little more
I dont read good things about Felipe Lopez either.
by hagers on
Jun 28, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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When is Loewen due back?
Not that I think he’s going to be half as god as Albers, but he could take spot starts if he’s going to be working out of the bullpen in an effort to find control.
by Jonny Pops on Jun 28, 2008 11:33 AM EDT 0 recs
Loewen's due back by teh end of next week.
And he’s bullpen-only, whether he likes it or not. Thus Spake Trembley.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jun 28, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
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hmmm
Maybe the Miguel Tejada trade wasn’t such a steal after all.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Jun 28, 2008 12:11 PM EDT 0 recs
Yeah, I was just thinking that
Tillman’s got some high hopes pinned to him now!
by punkrawka on
Jun 28, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
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But, but, but....
LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE!
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jun 28, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
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sweet blazin tatt, Huff!
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on
Jun 28, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
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is that a hippie daisy?
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on
Jun 28, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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Butterfly
I think it’s a butterfly landing on a flower. Or a smiley face with a flower around it. Whatever it is, it’s man enough to eat your babies.
by blawk359 on
Jun 30, 2008 9:44 AM EDT
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We still saved $$$
$24 million that hopefully will be turned into extra draft picks that we sign, and Tejada wasn’t going to perform for us anyways.
by Reddrummer9187 on
Jun 28, 2008 4:52 PM EDT
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Scott, Sarfate, and Tillman
is still a pretty good haul, and at least there was some use out of Albers for a while, hopefully he’ll be able to come back from this.
by getxstoked on
Jun 28, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
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Tillman was in the Bedard trade, right?
Costanzo was piece #5 from Houston.
"We’re not concerned about what other teams think. I know teams come in here thinking we’re playing the Orioles. And then 9 innings later, they got the loss, they know what we’re about." ~Adam Jones
by Stacey on
Jun 28, 2008 5:26 PM EDT
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yes.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on
Jun 28, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
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D'oh.
My mistake.
Even so, I’d say both trades this winter have worked out very well for the O’s.
by getxstoked on
Jun 28, 2008 6:52 PM EDT
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To be know hence
as the Labrum Bear Trade.
So we got:
- Two pitchers with serious, career-threatening injuries, manifesting themselves less than six months after the trade.
- Luke Scott – .278/.357.520, 13 HR, 30 years old, plays for peanuts and crackerjack.
- A buckwild reliever by the name Dennis Sarfate – 2.80 ERA, 34.2 IP, 36 K, 30 BB, 23 H, 1.52 WHIP.
- Mike Costanzo – currently .245/.320/.375 at AAA Norfolk.
- Rid of an obligation for a shitload of money owed to Tejada.
They got:
- Miguel Tejada – .288/.326/.450, 10 HR, Turns out to be 34 not 32 years old and is owed a fortune.
The trade’s definitely still a win for us – but as you say, certainly not a steal anymore. Scott’s offensive production, age, and cheap contract make him more valuable to us than expensive, older, whiny, truth-challenged Miguel Tejada. And who knows, maybe Sarfate will get some control, or Patton or Albers will recover and be legit Big League pitchers. We have possibilities, on the cheap. They have an old expensive player with numbers that have continued to decline a bit.
by Jonny Pops on
Jun 29, 2008 12:17 PM EDT
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I had no idea
LUUUUUUUUKE’s numbers were so close to Miggi’s right now. And he’s 2 years younger. Sure, OF power is supposed to be easier to find than SS power (as we are being made well aware on a daily basis), but still, Sarfate has a future in the ‘pen, and if either Albers or Patton can rehab and contribute, we still win. The collective contracts of those 5 would pay for a couple of months of Miggi.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jun 29, 2008 12:32 PM EDT
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It may be harder to find a good hitting SS but
Luke kept us from sending Jay Payton out there everyday, not as painful as SS right now for us but still not good at all. In my opinion this trade was at worst a wash for us (unless something major changes).
by Reddrummer9187 on
Jun 29, 2008 11:01 PM EDT
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luuuuuuuuuukkkkkeee
is FOUR years younger than the new, improved miggy.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on
Jun 30, 2008 9:02 AM EDT
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Funny
What’s interesting is that I haven’t heard much of a stink in the legal arena over Tejada. The guy lied about his age. So shouldn’t the ‘stros think about suing him for some kind of fraudulent misrepresentation? His value is severely set back since he’s effectively lost two years of playing capacity.
by blawk359 on
Jun 30, 2008 9:46 AM EDT
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actually...
i’m also surprised he hasn’t gotten some sort of shit from ICE. i mean, isn’t the implication that he lied on his application for a work visa? feds don’t generally take kindly to folks lying on applications.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on
Jun 30, 2008 9:51 AM EDT
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But
This is a sports star we’re talking about! Not a nuclear physicist from India! What Tejada does MATTERS. When the good Ph.D. says he’s from New Delhi and it turns out he’s really from Bangalore, lock him up! What’s a couple years among pro athletes and customs enforcement?
by blawk359 on
Jun 30, 2008 10:21 AM EDT
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well, also...
i’d bet that b/w miggy and the astros brass, there’s probably more than enough dough to mount a fairly robust legal defense.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on
Jun 30, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
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Hes
Houston!!! That’s practically Mexico anyway.
I know, I know. He’s not from Mexico.
Always trust you cape. -Guy Clark
by BPinOK on
Jun 30, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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Not so sure
he lied on his visa stuff. Just to his employer. And do you know how hard it is to void an MLB player contract? The O’s are still fighting with Fat Sid over voiding his. This isn’t the NFL where you can cut a guy for looking at the GM cross-eyed.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jun 30, 2008 12:20 PM EDT
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Miggi's 34 now?
‘Cause Luke just turned 30.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jun 30, 2008 12:19 PM EDT
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Miggi's "new" birth year is 1974, Luke's is 1978.
"We’re not concerned about what other teams think. I know teams come in here thinking we’re playing the Orioles. And then 9 innings later, they got the loss, they know what we’re about." ~Adam Jones
by Stacey on
Jun 30, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
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Yup
He’s 34. The whole hullabaloo was the forged birth certificate that said he was born in’ 76. Houston found out (after the trade) that it’s really ‘74.
by blawk359 on
Jun 30, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
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That trade's looking better all the time
I thought Miggi went from 30 to 32, not 32 to 34. Hell of a difference.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jun 30, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
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yeah Miggi's old
And not terribly good, either. He’s playing his age. He’s about average offensively and his glove is still what it was here.
We uh…we still win. We just don’t massacre that trade like before.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on
Jun 30, 2008 1:17 PM EDT
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in the event...
that patton and albers are kicked? i think this is the case. if one or both comes back in serviceable condition, i think this trade happily returns to the massacre zone.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on
Jun 30, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
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Shoulder injuries are death for pitchers
Think of all the pitchers who come back from TJ surgery – it’s like NFL players getting an ACL surgery. What used to be a career ender is now almost a rite of passge. Jamal Lewis has had two done, and done quite well in the NFL.
Shoulder issues? Name a pitcher who’s come back from severe shoulder issues. It’s not a long list. TJ surgery is now treated as an annoyance by GMs – lose a year, but he’s gonna come back. Shoulders? Might never contribute on the ML level again. Joel Zumaya is the only one that jumps to mind recently. I might be wrong – there may be more – but the list of successfull pitchers after shoulder surgery I would bet is a lot shorter that the success after TJ surgery list.
Don’t count on Patton or Albers pitching for the big team again.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jun 30, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
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I respectfully disagree...
I’ve been pitching in co-ed, slow-pitch softball for 3 years now with a jacked up shoulder. I’ve got a pretty good knuckler, average two strikeouts an outing with a pretty healthy 13.50 ERA and a mean underhanded throw from the mound to first should the need arrive.
Always trust you cape. -Guy Clark
by BPinOK on
Jun 30, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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Shit.
Arrive = arise.
Always trust you cape. -Guy Clark
by BPinOK on
Jun 30, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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Softball motion
puts MUCH less stress on the shoulder. It’s why HS baseball pitchers have a pitch limit and a softball pitcher can throw 3 games on 3 straight days.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jun 30, 2008 11:24 PM EDT
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That and softball’s not a real sport.
(Oh, I kid. But I HATE softball. Outside of beer leaguin’ softball.)
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on
Jul 1, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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It's MUCH more of a pitching game
with fastpitch softball. I can see where even a baseball fan would find fastpitch boring. Saw my HS have a game where it was 1-1 going into the 7th, our pitcher had 13 K’s and their pitcher had 15. If you’ve got a hot pitcher, there’s not much the average batter can do in fastpitch. I mean, the mound is 40 feet away in HS, and by the time you release the ball, you’re 33-35 feet away. And the ball’s going as fast as 50-60 in HS, and up to 70 in college. You get about as much reaction time as you do on a Joel Zumaya 103 mph special in MLB at that distance.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jul 1, 2008 4:56 PM EDT
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Fast pitch softball bores the living shit out of me. I mean, I truly understand that there’s a lot of skill involved, but to me it just looks like hack-and-hope at the plate 80% of the time.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on
Jul 1, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
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You're not wrong on "hack and hope"
Fastpitch is an aquired taste, for sure. I probably wouldn’t watch it if I didn’t have a kid playing it.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jul 1, 2008 5:49 PM EDT
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re
I was just joking around. Except the part about tearing my shoulder up. And beer is a requirement. Not an after or pre event…that’s the WHY.
Always trust your cape. -Guy Clark
by BPinOK on
Jul 1, 2008 5:22 PM EDT
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Understood
Never played a beer league myself, ‘cause I always assumed it was the same jocks that beat the shit out of my in HS, and are all still 6’3 and 220 lbs and bench pres refrigerators in their spare time. By the time I figured out there were leagues where guys like me could play, I was on the wrong side of 35 and my kids had their own schedules. C’est la vie…
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jul 1, 2008 5:51 PM EDT
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sheeeit
You are never on the wrong side of 35 for beer league softball, dude. Hell you’re never on the wrong side of 60.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on
Jul 1, 2008 6:11 PM EDT
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Just have this irrational fear
of being surrounded by ex-jocks who know what they’re doing and me looking like an idiot. Doesn’t matter, I’ll never have time to do it.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jul 1, 2008 6:27 PM EDT
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That’s why you get in the leagues that aren’t all dumbass serious. I get those leagues, I guess, but as competitive as I am I don’t want to play in them. Sometimes I’m hungover, man, and I’m not gonna play so well. LIVE WITH IT.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on
Jul 1, 2008 6:31 PM EDT
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I have a hard time believing
there are leagues that aren’t dumbass serious. I went to HS with those types – EVERYTHING’S a freakin’ war to them, beer or not.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on
Jul 1, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
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There are some. The guys that are just straight up fat wanna win, but they’re pretty much just there to knock a few both back and out.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on
Jul 1, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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No doubt
I played in a couple men’s leagues that damn near came to blows after every pitch…not fun. I’m in a co-ed league with a bunch of news people. One of our guys is the helicopter pilot…he got called out to cover a house fire before one game and it turned out to be nothing. He swung by the field with a photog and hovered for an inning just past the OF with the photog filming the game giving his own commentary. I think we gave up 12 runs that inning so it made for some pretty funny video.
Always trust your cape. -Guy Clark
by BPinOK on
Jul 2, 2008 1:10 AM EDT
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depressing as hell
Albers has been so money for us. Maybe Loewen step in and replace his production if he can stay healthy.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jun 28, 2008 3:59 PM EDT 0 recs
I think the plan is for Loewen to not do more then one inning at a time
for the rest of the yr.Maybe they could bring up Cherry,he,s been doing well in
the minors.
by hagers on Jun 28, 2008 4:07 PM EDT 0 recs
wow, man...
this has TOTALLY harshed my mellow.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jun 28, 2008 6:16 PM EDT 0 recs
this could be the end for Albers
We had the same discussion with Patton. Guys rebound from Tommy John surgery. No one had any encouraging words about rebounding from a torn labrum. I don’t have much faith in Loewen, and he certainly won’t be an inning eater. The BP has been key to this surprising run the O’s have made. Now it’s turning into a question mark with guys who are getting tired and now injured.
by drj on Jun 28, 2008 6:50 PM EDT 0 recs
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