Rosenthal makes a deal!
by Dr Orpheus on Jun 9, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
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Ken Rosenthal has suggested a trade that I, quite frankly, hadn't ever considered: Brian Roberts for Rickie Weeks.
This wouldn't be straight up, of course, as Rosenthal suggests the Os would need to throw in a young pitcher or reliever to get Weeks. Let that sink in. Roberts is 30- and hitting .284, and Weeks is 25-years old and hitting .210 this season. Roberts has a track record as a plus defender and an above average hitter, while Weeks, in two years, has been competent at second and hasn't hit all too well.
What also confuses me is Rosenthal's statement that "Roberts, a more accomplished leadoff hitter and better defender than Weeks" but is worth less then Weeks just because of age and that he only has one year left on his contract. Also, that the Os could be more patient with Weeks then the Brewers were. Even though Weeks was never projected to be as strong a defender as Roberts.
Rosenthal suggests that Weeks would become "another young, athletic building block to go with Adam Jones and Nick Markakis" despite Weeks not living up to the expectations that were thrust upon him when he was a prospect. This isn't uncommon, however.
Here's what I'm suggesting, Roberts for prospects or guys who have some major league experience, just as was mentioned over the offseason. SSs Alcides Escobar or Brent Brewer would be a start and adding one or two of RHPs Jeremy Jeffress, Luis Pena, Robert Bryson, or Mark Rogers. That's a trade that will benefit the Orioles new construct of pitching and defense and trading for young guys, and filling a gaping hole, offensively and defensively, at second base and leadoff for the Brewers. Heck, if Roberts for a group of three prospects doesn't work, throw in Bradford or Walker and request a low-A, power arm prospect as well.
That's a trade that makes sense. Not Roberts, a two-time All-Star, and a pitcher for Rickie Weeks, a streaky hitter whose defense is good, not great, and hasn't fulfilled expectations in two and half years of playing time.
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well...
he said another piece probably coming back, as well. i dunno, seems like a good deal to me.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jun 9, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate this deal
At this point, Brian Roberts is Rickie Weeks’ upside.
Why give up Roberts plus for that?
by dkdc on Jun 9, 2008 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't like this deal
At all….but I hope something gets done. It would be a shame if the all star break comes and goes with Sherill, Roberts, and Huff/Millar still on the team. Because the O’s have been hovering around .500 all year with most runs being driven in by Huff and Kevbo, they haven’t been thrown around in trade talks. I don’t see Kevin’s stock going much higher (.250/.336/.419 with 9 hrs 32 rbis) and if Aubrey raised his average they both could get at least one good prospect with some trash thrown in. George Sherill could produce something nice but I could easily see the O’s holding on to him. The one thing that Angelos is genuine about is wanting to put on the best show for the fans, he has come out publicly and said that he doesn’t want to throw away a season. If the O’s get rid of Sherill it would be Johnson as closer until Ray gets back and that would probably lose us 3-7 more games after the break.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 9, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Weeks
He’s young enough to have upside. He’s pretty patient at the plate. How close is he to free agency? If he still has at least 3 years left after this year, I’m fine with weeks. I would prefer someone younger though. But if MacPhail pulled the trigger on him, I wouldn’t complain. He’s in a serious slump right now but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a just slump.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jun 9, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh, Kenny?
How about we just leave Andy MacPhail in charge of the O’s trades, OK? He’s pretty much 3 for 3 right now (Trax, Miggy, Bu-dard)
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jun 9, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not to mention...
dropping gibby.
looks like they fucked up w/ roberts, though.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jun 9, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To quote Lee Corso...
Not so fast, my friend.
There is almost 2 months between now and the non-waiver trade deadline, and another month until the playoff rosters have to be set. Get B-Robs AVG up and a slight increase in OBP, and he’s a hot commodity again.
"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby
by duck on Jun 9, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MacPhail
How about we just leave Andy MacPhail in charge of the O’s trades, OK? He’s pretty much 3 for 3 right now (Trax, Miggy, Bu-dard)
I’m pretty sure failing to trade Roberts for the final rumored package is/will be a mistake. I suppose a better deal might happen this summer but I doubt it.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jun 9, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone explain this to me:
One thing is certain: The Orioles no longer can get the same deal for Roberts that the Cubs offered during the off-season. One reported package included right-hander Sean Gallagher, shortstop Ronny Cedeno, Class AA left-hander Donald Veal and Class A righty Jose Ceda; another proposal substituted outfielder Matt Murton for Veal, according to a source.
What’s the difference between Roberts now and Roberts during the off-season? He’s gingerly on pace to reach his nice career averages, bringing speed and plays a solid 2nd. He’s still one of the better lead-off guys in the league.
by Y Not on Jun 9, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only downside I can see is that you are now trading away a little over 1.5 years of Roberts instead of 2 years.
"Hey Yankees... you can take your apology and your trophy and shove 'em straight up your ass!" --Tanner Boyle
by BirdFanInPhilly on Jun 9, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and...
guys like cedeno and gallagher were out of favor/unproven, but now have both shown pretty remarkable improvement over last year so are presumably more valuable.
foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08
by j.q. higgins on Jun 9, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a pertty big downside.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jun 9, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs were willing to overpay in March
And now they aren’t.
by dkdc on Jun 9, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New info
Doug Melvin is now denying interest in Roberts or willingness to trade Rickie Weeks.
There were other pieces that could have been traded for, Melvin. Rethink this.
by Dr Orpheus on Jun 9, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, you have to look at it from all sides...
He said they weren’t there to specifically look at Roberts, as they were there to scout the O’s as they play them in a couple of weeks. Well, sure you could say that playing them in a couple of weeks is more of current meaning to why they are there. However, there could be more.
Also, how many teams send in more than one scout, two weeks in advance of playing said team. I guess it would be of interest to see how many of their scouts are still at the ballgames leading up to that series to show truthness to that.
by elsid on Jun 9, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A very valid point
I’m sure hoping a trade will happen regardless. The Brewers have two great shortstop prospects (Alcides Escobar is hitting .337 with 6 HRs, 42 RBIs, and 16 SBs in Double-A) and it would be brilliant to get a talented middle infield prospect in at least one of the trades this season.
by Dr Orpheus on Jun 9, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what did Eddie call him
A Monkey! or was it a PITA
by merdon1332000 on Jun 9, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ronny Cedeno: .295/.368/.400
O’s shortstops: B27/question mark/ironic t-shirt
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Jun 9, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if we bit
and took cedeno… who would have been our 2nd baseman? and would his numbers have been any better than what Hernandez/Bynum/Fahey put up?
By the way – for all the slamming we did on Hernandez and Fahey – Bynum freaking sucks so far too. Better aim to first, at least.
by Y Not on Jun 9, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Morre was playing some 2B in spring training, I think incase a Roberts deal went down. I’m not sure how his defense was/would have been. But I think realistically the current SS debacle would have just shifted to 2B.
Personally I’ve never been a fan of any of the rumored Roberts deals so far (including this new Weeks deal). In retrospect the Cubs deal looks like a mistake, but at the time I really wasn’t completely satisified with it.
by edsachs1 on Jun 9, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably would’ve been Scott Moore, since they wouldn’t be as tentative (probably) to let him learn 2B on the job. I think he’d be better than Hernandez, Bynum and Fahey. And yes Bynum is fucking terrible, too. Alex Cintron, wave of the…never.
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Jun 9, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2B
and took cedeno… who would have been our 2nd baseman? and would his numbers have been any better than what Hernandez/Bynum/Fahey put up?
Probably Bynum, but who cares. Cedeno is cheap, productive, and under our control for several years. Roberts is gone next year.
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jun 9, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weeks just went on the DL
Wolf, wolf, wolf.
by birdman on Jun 9, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
case CLOSED
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Jun 9, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah exactly.....
this isn’t happening.
Geaux Eaux's
by NawlinsOriole on Jun 10, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news for the Orioles
http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/06/09/melvin-denies-interest-in-roberts.aspx
Brewers GM denies the Roberts trade. Or even being interested.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 10, 2008 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see that Dr posted it above already.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Jun 10, 2008 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why
do you guys let rosenthal torture you?
by thewaywardO on Jun 10, 2008 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
'cause
"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum
by SC on Jun 11, 2008 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEAH!
Wait…I’m still unclear on this.
by Dr Orpheus on Jun 11, 2008 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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