Cintron to the DL, 'Shoes' called up

Well, that sucks.

I hope Bynum can remember how to hit this time around, that would be really nice of him.

by getxstoked on Jul 1, 2008 3:34 PM EDT 0 recs

If you count Felipe Lopez as a SS

Then we may just trade for a SS, unfortunately.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 1, 2008 3:34 PM EDT 0 recs

He barely counts...

but he’s still an improvement over Brandon fricking Fahey.

by getxstoked on Jul 1, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up 0 recs

to see Lopez out here, honestly. If only because he shows me that they are still serious about trying to make improvements. I’d rather a guy who has a record of being able to hit SOMEWHERE in his past than two guys who have both proven they can’t.

by therobotian on Jul 1, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up 0 recs

am i the only person who doesn't want lopez here?

by Y Not on Jul 1, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up 0 recs

I make 2

The guy’s hitting below .250? We gotta be able to do better than THAT.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 1, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up 0 recs

We haven’t so far. Lopez’s sorry season dwarfs that of our other shortstops.

But really I don’t want him either. The difference between Lopez and Cintron isn’t that big. Lopez had one good season in 2005. Whoopty damn doo.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 1, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up 0 recs

i think...

that’s when cintron had his.

...yes, he had one.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 1, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up 0 recs

Looks like

they are in on the .215 hitting Juan Uribe.

Always trust your cape. -Guy Clark

by BPinOK on Jul 1, 2008 3:44 PM EDT 0 recs

That Freaking Blows

Cintron was finally starting to get better in the field.

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 1, 2008 4:12 PM EDT 0 recs

he was gettomg quite better really

he looked really good this weekend, i thought we had finally found our SS, even if Cintron wasn’t that great of a hitter either

by math_geek on Jul 1, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up 0 recs

He was definitely a better hitter than the rest of the bunch.

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 1, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up 0 recs

I'm hoping for an Orioles sale this month

We have enough guys to unload that if we unloaded them all we’d finish replenishing our farm system this year, that would be great news.

by math_geek on Jul 1, 2008 4:16 PM EDT 0 recs

alright, gang

I’m going to say this. In bold font. So that you really see that I’m really saying this.

LUIS HERNANDEZ IS BETTER THAN EITHER OF THESE GUYS, WHY DON’T THEY BRING HIM BACK UP IN THIS INSTANCE

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 1, 2008 4:22 PM EDT 0 recs

1/2 agree...

he is definitely better than fahey.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 1, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up 0 recs

what does Bynum do better?

I mean, really. I was sorely unimpressed by him as a shortstop.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 1, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

well...

i thought bynum looked as good, if not better in the field and at least has a track record that suggests he’s not absolutely worthless at the plate (not very good, mind you, just not absolutely worthless). if either of those mooks could take a walk, they’d have modest utitlity value. hernandez did look okay at 2nd and bynum handles second and the outfield adequately.

w/e, though…we’re still comparing a shit sandwich to a shit sandwich w/ cheese.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 1, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up 0 recs

what kind of cheese

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by SC on Jul 1, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up 0 recs

one slice...

of american processed.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 1, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

Based on Triple-A numbers

Fahey was a lot better then Hernandez.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 1, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up 0 recs

Really, I mean, I know Luis Hernandez is better offensively than Freddie Bynum

But they are both SO bad offensively you have to count defense, and Bynum is decidedly mediocre as a defender, and Luis Hernandez is frickin terrible, because he throws like a geriatric.

Both are, however, much better than Brandon Fahey. I hate how managers seem to get excited about “versatility” Fahey is “versatile because he can theoretically play most of the posiitons on the field, but he is no good at any of them so who the fuck cares?

by math_geek on Jul 1, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up 0 recs

I'm a big

Hernandez fan. I don’t know why Trembley bailed on him like that…

The kid got a bit of deer-in-the-headlights syndrome with the big leagues, but at his core he is the best of the bunch. I’d rather see him out there then Lopez or Uribe, too.

by therobotian on Jul 1, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

the reason

is that I’d rather see us run a home-grown kid than a half-year rental veteran who got washed up somewhere else and dumped on our doorstep.

by therobotian on Jul 1, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up 0 recs

well uh

I hate Hernandez, so we’re at odds there. He stinks. He’s absolutely awful. The rest of them are also freaking terrible. And Cintron is by far the best of them, which is saying some bad shit about the other three.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 1, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up 0 recs

Hernandez ain't home grown

We got him off waivers from Atlanta.

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by SC on Jul 1, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up 0 recs

last year

unlike Cintron who we picked out of the dump this season, or either of Lopez or Uribe, both of whom are throw aways from other teams.

by therobotian on Jul 1, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up 0 recs

Hernandez is a throw away, too! But he didn’t even get to make it to the majors before someone cut bait on him.

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by SC on Jul 1, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up 0 recs

haha, alright, alright

you got me. So I just have a soft spot for Hernandez because I like seeing young players fight to make it in the bigs.

I said earlier that I’d be thrilled to get Lopez from the Nats, but I really do wish they hadn’t bailed on Hernandez so quickly… I also wish Hernandez had blew it so badly for himself: it was his to lose.

by therobotian on Jul 1, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up 0 recs

These guys doesn't include Cintron, right?

We’re talking Fahey and Boom Boom, right? If so, I’d agree.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 1, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up 0 recs

yes, Cintron is not an option until he gets better

by math_geek on Jul 1, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up 0 recs

The ASG break

gives us a litle time, and gives Cintron 2 extra days on the DL where we don’t have games before he has to come back.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 1, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up 0 recs

I hate all shortstop options at this point

hate them all. Every single one of them. I am actually looking forward to seeing what MacPhail can do with this mess, in a curious sort of way.

"We’re not concerned about what other teams think. I know teams come in here thinking we’re playing the Orioles. And then 9 innings later, they got the loss, they know what we’re about." ~Adam Jones

by Stacey on Jul 1, 2008 4:48 PM EDT 0 recs

Make a clone of 1982-1991 Cal

and one of Eddie to hit behind him, that would solve about 80% of our problems right there.

by getxstoked on Jul 1, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up 0 recs

Let me go down to my laboratory and get working on that.

"We’re not concerned about what other teams think. I know teams come in here thinking we’re playing the Orioles. And then 9 innings later, they got the loss, they know what we’re about." ~Adam Jones

by Stacey on Jul 1, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up 0 recs

while you're at it can we get a Brooks Robinson and a Jim Palmer?

by math_geek on Jul 1, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up 0 recs

More than one Jim Palmer. How about four. I don’t want to get greedy here.

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by SC on Jul 1, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up 0 recs

So we're set for the 2030 season.

when all of these clones reach age 22. Until then, guys and gals?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 1, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up 0 recs

I’m thinking more that we make robots.

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by SC on Jul 1, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up 0 recs

There's a plan...

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 1, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up 0 recs

You're thinking of a real scientist

I was thinking of a mad scientist. It’d be like, Frankenstein Jim Palmer.

"We’re not concerned about what other teams think. I know teams come in here thinking we’re playing the Orioles. And then 9 innings later, they got the loss, they know what we’re about." ~Adam Jones

by Stacey on Jul 1, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up 0 recs

As long as he hits the strike zone

and throws 112 mph, I’ll be fine with Frakenstein Palmer.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 1, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up 0 recs

As long as he has Gary Thorne’s liver.

"He’s in trouble. Whatever he throws me, I’m going to hit it."
-- Alex Cintron

by BrianS on Jul 1, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up 0 recs

He'd be on the DL in 2 weeks

and Gary would be dead. Bad deal all around.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 1, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up 0 recs

if this is really the beginning of the end of the season

then the Trade deadline will be extremely interesting.
In any case, we contended for a lot longer than I had hoped.

by math_geek on Jul 1, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up 0 recs

So if we manage to pull out the last 3 games of this series

does that change your thinking?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 1, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up 0 recs

honestly?

i’d be cool w/ a split, even.

although, maybe not, given that it’s at OPACY.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 1, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up 0 recs

umm... I dont know what my thinking is

I know we’ve lost 3 out of the last 4, and that our bullpen has been hit hard by injuries (Walker, Albers, Randor), Sherrill seems to be struggling, and we finally just found our SS only to see him hit the DL too. That means that our trajectory is downhill, but I don’t think I made any comment that it was going to stay that way.

Could we fall apart, sure, and if so, it was still a much better season than expected

by math_geek on Jul 1, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up 0 recs

really?

There’s still a perfectly OK chance this collection of, erm, talent pulls in at about 65 wins. It’d be awful, but it wouldn’t be the single most amazing thing ever, either.

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by SC on Jul 1, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up 0 recs

65 seems a bit harsh

That’s only winning 25 games out of 81. I don’t see them doingTHAT bad. But then again, I didn’t see 4-32 coming, either.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 1, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up 0 recs

now that's some hopeful pessimism

I don’t think that would happen, but we do have to play a bunch of games against the Sawx, Rays, and MFY

by math_geek on Jul 1, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up 0 recs

oh I don't think it'll happen

But it would hardly shock me if it did. Yet another parade of futility by the Baltimore Orioles is all it would be.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 1, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up 0 recs

Actually.....

not so much against PHN and MFY.

PHN – 9 games left.
MFY – 9 games left.
TB – 7 games left.

Toronto? A whole ‘nother series more. 13 games left.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 1, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up 0 recs

Finally

Someone agrees! I have been rooting for the O’s to lose since MacPhail traded away Tejada and showed us that he meant buissness. Some teams can rebuild by winning, but I just don’t think that is going to be the O’s. I would much rather rebuild into the Tampa Bay Rays than the Oakland A’s. I wouldn’t care if the O’s dumped every single guy over the age of 30, sans one or two exceptions, as it is at least giving the young guys a chance.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 1, 2008 5:57 PM EDT 0 recs

I never could/will root for them to lose

Because when they win it means they are playing well and our major league players are building value, which is far more valuable than a higher draft pick. So even in rebuilding it helps to win.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 1, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up 0 recs

I'm not sure

If this holds true under MacPhail, but with losing comes the incentive to trade away guys who are over the hump. We will have to wait and see what Andy does, but most teams that are losing are more inclined to usher in the youth movement with less hesitation than the pretenders who think they’re one guy away at the all star break.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 2, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up 0 recs

MacPhail knows we’re way more than one guy away.

As neat as this season has been so far - and I’ve had fun - they’re 8.5 games out.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 2, 2008 3:11 AM EDT up 0 recs

But they'd be winning teh NL West!

:)

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 2, 2008 7:50 AM EDT up 0 recs

Just because MacPhail knows

Doesn’t mean Angelos does. And as you well know, he just wants to put the “best product” on the field for the fans.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 3, 2008 1:56 AM EDT up 0 recs

MacPhail has full control of these things. Otherwise he quits. Angelos can’t handle a PR boner like MacPhail quitting.

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by SC on Jul 3, 2008 4:48 AM EDT up 0 recs

Trading Miggi was one thing.

Trading Erik was another. MacPhail is in control. He’ll do what he needs to.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 8:08 AM EDT up 0 recs

down on the farm...

besides all these band-aids we have mentioned; who else is in the organization? Bowie has Blake Davis hitting below .250, 15 errors, & leads the team in whiffs. Billy Rowell use to play short, but he’s geared for third now. Unfortunately, we’ve been spoiled for the last 25 years with the likes of Cal & miggy @ short. All we need is someone to play around average shortstop. (i would volunteer, but i wouldn’t hit any higher 7 then you guys would bash me (ha ha). Cintron looks like the best option—when he comes back. Mora’s too old to move back, what about b-rob? he was a shortstop coming up?
i don’t know… guess that’s why andy is paid the big bucks.

PLEASE -- JUST PLEASE THROW STRIKES.

by oriolepete on Jul 2, 2008 12:20 PM EDT 0 recs

jed stephens

former starting ss for ohio state. i don’t think he really projects to be too much b/c he’s starting his second stint w/ aberdeen, but, there you go.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 2, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up 0 recs

They signed some guy from the Dominican

Garabez Rosa and he plays SS. He is playing decent in the GCL so naturally even if he does make the major leagues, it wont be until 2012 at the earliest.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 2, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up 0 recs

Greg B Miclat was drafted in the fifth round from U of Virginia

He’s twenty and projects to be a speed, defense shortstop. Maybe he’ll move quick through the system.

And, you know, hit the ball well. Who knows.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 2, 2008 12:57 PM EDT 0 recs

I wouldn't be to upset if we picked up Juan Uribe from Chicago.

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 3, 2008 1:55 PM EDT 0 recs

Yeah

I just don’t think he’s going to be much of an upgrade over FaheyHernandezCintronBynum. Outside of the possible offensive boost, he has more power but isn’t hitting, there’s really not much an upgrade here.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 3, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

At this point

Just wait for Cintron to get back.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 3, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up 0 recs

uh

I would.

Yeah he’s a marginal offensive upgrade considering he’s the exact same auto-out as the bums we trot out there but he can bust one open a few times a year, and sure he’s a good glove, but big deal. What’s Juan Uribe mean? One more win? Maybe?

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 3, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up 0 recs

Eckstein?

So, now the Os are looking to acquire David Eckstein from the Blue Jays?
I’m done with patches. Make any trade to the Brewers for Alcides Escobar, and that’s that. There’s, hopefully, the shortstop of the future…hopefully.
Heck, its better then Eckstein.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 4, 2008 12:16 AM EDT 0 recs