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JESUS CHRIST, JESUS CHRIST, JESUS CHRIST!

George Sherrill came in and gave the game away with a 5-4 lead in the ninth. That's our All-Star! Jim Johnson did his job in the eighth, giving up two to let Toronto back in anyway.

This is getting really, really, really ugly, and anyone wanting to hold onto the veterans on this team needs to get the F real. I'm serious. They're coming back to reality, and it's bad news, bears.

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Can I say this...

Fuck the umpiring crew for this series, and their enormous zone for Jays pitchers and much, much smaller zone for O’s pitchers, the missed call at home last night, and the general shittiness.

Anyway, I’m tired, pissed, and I have to work early, so yeah.

by getxstoked on Jul 10, 2008 10:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Also, does anybody feel like...

we’re somehow living in the movie Major League?

by getxstoked on Jul 10, 2008 10:12 PM EDT   0 recs

No.

The Indians got to the playoffs in that movie despite the ownership.

by Y Not on Jul 10, 2008 10:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ever see the alternate ending?

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 10, 2008 10:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hah, no...

didn’t know there was one.. i just read it on wiki.

by Y Not on Jul 11, 2008 5:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Major League

I love, love, love that movie. I’ve secretly rooted for the Indians because of it since 1989. I’m still surprised the franchise let themselves be mocked in such a way, but it was a huge success in the end, I think.

To this day, I always quote that movie. “Yo, bartender, Jobu needs a refill!”

by blawk359 on Jul 11, 2008 12:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Whining won't solve it......but year by year, the O's are....

....quietly becoming the LA Clippers of MLB. Cannot totally excuse “overuse” of the bullpen (as Tom Davis and Rick “cotton mouth” Dempsey continually do…..they excuse everything…..apologists!!)

(Seriously, though, Rick…....you aren’t THAT old….somebody (from the creative and funny “annoucing camps” commercials on MASN …PLEASE, PLEASE help Rick. He states and overstates the obvious and the cotton in his mouth (listen to him) makes me mute and mute and mute. (Hunter, Palmer and Martinez are great….really. On target, on point and eloquent (particularly Hunter and Palmer, who could easily become a GREAT team, if powers would allow). BUT, Dempsey should not be in any media (and for anyone who thought he should be a manager….....come on!? Really? He is simple (cognitively) has no fire….....and with due respect to his playing days and well earned legend, is NOT capable. WHY, why, why…....is Gary Thorne considered great? His pipes are superior, but next time you listen/watch….count the # of small and not so small mistakes he makes both per inning and game….......A TON!! He also has significantly MORE vocal inflection and better affect when the OTHER TEAM is in a rally, than he does with the O’s!! Truly. (Although if anyone could top it, it’s fake and faker on the radio. Over articulating everything because they LOVE their own voices more than they love…...well…..anything. These two are funny. “D” or the “duh sound at the end of a word or sentence of Angel = horrifying sounds and Manfra, while seemingly a nice guy tries SO hard to be “cool and deep piped” ......count his “uhs” and “and uhs”...........sad. P.S. on Thorne (who in the hell is Dave Trom-Blaye….........I think, I THINK it is Trembley and he never, ever gets a name right…......trying way too hard you freaky looking fool!)

Ok, this was rant on the broadcast team which doesn’t help the pain the pitching is causing ( this team has OVERachieved on offense and have found themselves with pitching and defense…....ugh!) Seeing our “tough guy, fearless” leader Trom-blay sit stoic and unemotional does NOT do much for his reputation as being much tougher and making much better decisions when things were, well…...magic! He is overrated and, frankly, takes himself too seriously.

Bat Millar 3rd again….hmmmmmmmmmmm…......keep Jones in the EIGHT spot….....hmmmmmmmmm …......bring in yet ANOTHER Norfolk noname to make his debut with runners in scoring position and then look gruff and tough when you take the ball from yet, another….....failed relief effort!! Don’t demand better leadership from “B-rob’ (who worries a lot more about himself)........don’t EVER, ever have the defensive waste of space catcher go talk to his pitcher (terrrible defensive catcher who used to be slightly above average….......wheels-bus-OFF!) Looks like the “Crow” may be able to go in and play SS, as nobody else can.

If you told me in mid March that 90 games in they would be 44-46, I would have loved it and likely not fully believed it…............I think what hurts is that the expectations were raised by a team with virtually NO pressure playing above themselves for 3 months. Great. Appreciated. How about “SOMEBODY” add something beyond hair dye to the party and have a productive, clear the air, closed door meeting…....it’s time. (and, if bleach blonde et al happen to restructure the announcing teams in the process…......even better!! A guy can dream, right!!) I love this team, but right now I hate their effort and results…....

by huffycuse on Jul 10, 2008 10:23 PM EDT   0 recs

the fuck are you going on about?

or, could you summarize that in, say, one sentence.

all I got was “I hate Thorne” and then I couldn’t read around the 8,000,000 ellipses.

by getxstoked on Jul 10, 2008 10:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Getxstoked....dumb

Have another ripple, loser. If you can’t read, I canNOT help that mommy and daddy did not sit down and help you with your homework and, subsequently, you are obtuse. Sad, really, your pathetic life. GREAT use of the word “fuck” though….....creative, brilliant…...wow!! You should write for a national publication!! Do you think you can get out of Darwin’s Waiting Room for a few hours? Probably not, huh, lab rat!!

by huffycuse on Jul 10, 2008 10:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So, what you're saying is...

You can’t actually sum up your rambling into one coherent sentence?

by getxstoked on Jul 10, 2008 10:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

chill, dude

Actually, both of you chill. You’re more than free to argue, but the name-calling is not going to fly for very long here.

You’re more than welcome, though. I’m not trying to run you off.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 10, 2008 10:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wasn't trying to argue

I just wanted some sort of clarity, because I honestly did not get what dude was trying to say.

by getxstoked on Jul 10, 2008 10:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So very sorry, my young ignorant friend!

I cannot help your below 2nd grade reading comprehension level !!! (those last long lines with small dots under them mean “emphasis” Oh, sorry, you don’t know what that means, dude!!) GREAT “dude reference, though…....have another hit, Ricky Wiliams…...dude…......er, um….........dunce!! Did you understand that Einstein!! U R Box-of-rocks dumb

by huffycuse on Jul 10, 2008 11:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Read it, again...........

If you are still confused, I will elaborate….......but can you not get the gist? Your screen name indicates pseudo intelligence. I was venting, dude! Have you never done that….....?! Sorry for any confusion or uncalle for sacrasm. (but, please do take into account the broadcast teams “issues” and tell me after 2-3 “listens” that you don’t also see it)

by huffycuse on Jul 10, 2008 11:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think we recognized the nature of the post

It had more to do with your penchant for rambling when frustrated, which is understandable, but it was all over the place. Also, I believe ‘getstoked’ was doing what most people on this site do and razz you a bit. Nothing personal.

Also, the screen name is in reference to a character from the Venture Bros cartoon show. But nary am I an ignorant friend.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 10, 2008 11:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Also, an ellipses isn't usually used for emphasis

It’s used as suppressive notation or to omit an understood or repetitious segment of text.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 10, 2008 11:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

......also used in LISP programming.......

(ironically) the old standard for artificial intelligence programming.

Writing is God's way of showing you how sloppy your thinking is.

by typozzz on Jul 11, 2008 12:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no name calling?

but the dude is totally a F*CK FACE.

by Y Not on Jul 11, 2008 5:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah totally

Who the hell does he think he is? He just joined and has only 4 posts which are all in this thread. I didn’t think that getstoked’s question was to unreasonable. All he wanted was some clarity.

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 11, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It’s not the best introduction to the site ever, but people tend to pick up on the customs. No need to jump up his ass right off.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 11, 2008 2:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"Jeremy Guthrie’s funny. Sneaky funny. Smart funny. Stanford funny."
-Kevbo

by dayzd toe on Jul 11, 2008 5:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hahahaha

that’s priceless!

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 11, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Listened to the last inning in the car while driving home from work. I really miss being able to curse into blogsphere when the O’s put in performances like this. I saw this tidbit from Jayaon Stark.

Bird land: As the Orioles continue to dance around .500, their interest in unloading players - even veteran players - seems to diminish by the day. Once upon a time, for instance, they traded for George Sherrill with the thought of spinning him before the deadline. Six months later, says an executive of one club, “they told us they’re not motivated to move him now.” There are still a few random pieces for sale—Chad Bradford and Kevin Millar, for instance. But finishing .500 has never felt more important in Baltimore than it seems to feel this year.

Andy, George’s value peaked about two weeks ago and now it’s plummeting. Trade Mr. Flatbill before his value decreases even more. Thank you.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Jul 10, 2008 10:30 PM EDT   0 recs

If that's true, the O's are the same suckers they've been for a decade.

Maybe a good losing streak will help knock some sense into them

by drj on Jul 10, 2008 10:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

note

Stark is just reporting what other people are telling him (i.e., “an executive with one club”). So unless he’s just making stuff up like Jayson Blair, yes, I believe what Stark writes.

Wolf, wolf, wolf.

by birdman on Jul 12, 2008 12:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ugly is OK right now

You hear the rumors about letting the team be and see if they can somehow stay on this magic carpet ride. Perhaps the front office, and I’m thinking of the past decade holdovers who are consider success to be “not losing”, need to be bashed in the teeth with reality.

This team is shallow and has no future. Keep fixing it! Let this season go.

by drj on Jul 10, 2008 10:42 PM EDT   0 recs

I think the plan is still in effect.

That’s not to say that parts of the plan may not have changed recently, or that the pieces they’re offering are going to be let go for the random minor league castoffs that some people seem to be begging for…I’d much rather them ride out this current rough patch with their current roster than blow it up entirely and just make it worse for the hope of an improved draft pick or whatever other idiocy people seem to be pushing around here and other places on the web…

by getxstoked on Jul 10, 2008 10:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmmm

No one is begging for minor league castoffs. If there are any reasonable deals for guys like Roberts and Cabrera, the FO should jump on them. Huff maybe, I doubt he’s fooling anyone. Sherrill has also gone down a few notches before the trading deadline. If these guys aren’t being shopped, the O’s aren’t being honest with themselves or the fans about the desire to build a reasonable foundation. Let the young pitchers take their lumps and see if any trades can bring in more youth. Letting the veterans ride it out and see what happens is the same crap we’ve had for years, and we pretty much know where it’s headed.

by drj on Jul 10, 2008 10:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not so much here...

more that other blog, the one where some posters have decided that Payton should be DFA’d for having an 0’fer, and some other things that are just ridiculous.

by getxstoked on Jul 10, 2008 10:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ha!

payton shouldn’t be dfa’d for having an o’fer, but he SHOULD be dfa’d b/ c he brings nothing to the table but a waste a of a roster spot. i would love to see reimold in left field ASAP.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 11, 2008 8:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would too

But there would be no one to spell Jones; which I’m not down with.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 11, 2008 10:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no one?

if you’re just talking a game here or there, there’s no reason you can’t put markakis out there.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 11, 2008 10:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Or any warm AAA body

Redman, Fiorentino, or Terrero can be at least 90% of what Jay Payton is for the rest of the season.

by dkdc on Jul 11, 2008 10:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

eh, who cares if the o's lost?

wieters hit another homer tonight. takes some of the sting out of it. plus i already decided that they’re going into a tailspin a week ago, so why get mad about it now?

by joet on Jul 10, 2008 10:49 PM EDT   0 recs

why get mad about it now?

because it happens EVERY FUCKING YEAR and I’M GODDAMN SICK AND TIRED of it.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest….

"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."

by spike2131 on Jul 10, 2008 11:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, i'm just numb at this point

i get riled up a bunch of times during every game, but i don’t have the energy to get pissed off after something like tonight or last night. tonight it was roberts getting picked off, then markakis getting picked off. but by the 9th inning i didn’t care anymore.

by joet on Jul 10, 2008 11:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Numbness

For me comes in the form of a 12 ounce brown bottle. MMMMMM, beer.

by blawk359 on Jul 11, 2008 12:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Birdman nailed it

There was a reason Sherrill was a long relief man in Seattle. He had an amazing string of, let’s face it, luck. And that luck is gone.
So is his value as trade bait.
Two weeks too late.
Maybe flat cap should start bending his bill.

by Lothar on Jul 10, 2008 10:54 PM EDT   0 recs

or he can take Jamie Walker's role

while Sarfate or Johnson take that 9th inning spot…

by getxstoked on Jul 10, 2008 10:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sarfate walks too many

And has massive control issues.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 10, 2008 11:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe Liz can take that role

joining Benitez and Mesa as guys that have gone from being mediocre starters to excellent closers for a few years to mediocre relievers are the end of their careers…i could live with that

by getxstoked on Jul 10, 2008 11:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

When is Ray getting back?

"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."

by spike2131 on Jul 10, 2008 11:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

August/September if we're lucky.

Spring Training otherwise, there was something about the timeline on the team website last week sometime.

by getxstoked on Jul 10, 2008 11:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not this year

The team says Aug/Sept was RAY’s timetabkle, not theirs. The FO and DD has said he ain’t coming back this year.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 11, 2008 12:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he wasn't a long relief man

He was a LOOGY. This also was what I was worried about stretching him into a closer role. It’s worked out, but LOOGY is probably where he’s best.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 10, 2008 11:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You know

we were never in contention this year anyway, so all this misery could be healed with another awesome deal from McPhail

by math_geek on Jul 10, 2008 11:39 PM EDT   0 recs

the thing is...

who wants to deal with him now, especially after what he got out of Seattle…

by getxstoked on Jul 10, 2008 11:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Andy McPhails reputation as a GM long preceded his fleecing of Seattle

Billy Beane still trades with people. If he can do it, McPhail can too

by math_geek on Jul 10, 2008 11:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Truth

Mark Mulder, Dan Haren, Rich Harden… What he got for those three pitches makes MacPhail’s robbing the Astros and Ms look like nothing. He’ll do it again and so with MacPhail.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 11, 2008 12:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd argue he didn't even rob the Astros

Miggi’s a good player, and we should have gotten something for him.

Now, it was a dumb deal for the Astros to make, as they aren’t sniffing the playoffs with or without him, but the cost of a player is not based on how close the buying team is to contention.

by math_geek on Jul 11, 2008 12:02 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Miggie's a good player on a decline

Who turns out to be two very bad years older than he was supposed to be. We smoked the Astros on that deal.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 11, 2008 12:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well. we didn't know he was two years older than he said he was

Patton and Costanzo are long shots to make it to the bigs

Albers and Sarfate are relief pitchers, albeit pretty good ones.

Luke Scott is not a prospect, and while he’s been great for our team, the Astros had no desire to play him anyway.

It was a good deal for us, but I hardly see it as a fleecing.

by math_geek on Jul 11, 2008 12:09 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Astros having no desire to play Luke Scott while paying Carlos Lee $100 million is part of why the Astros suck.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 11, 2008 12:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dont forget

Thinking that you only need 1 starting pitcher to make a good team.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 11, 2008 12:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

prospects are not the be all end all...

luke scott is younger, cheaper and more productive than tejada, though he does not play a premium position. as i said whn the trade was done, not a big deal for most organizations, but when was the last time the o’s had an across the board viable outfield?

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 11, 2008 8:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Word

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 11, 2008 12:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he'll be OK

Billy Beane and Mark Shapiro have made a lot of deals, and still make them.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 11, 2008 12:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thats the truth

If you have something they want, then they will deal with you.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 11, 2008 12:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

on a side note about Beane

I think we all got a taste tonight why he could never watch his own team play baseball.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 11, 2008 12:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Trading Sherrill

Honestly, closers blow saves, it happens. It is like getting kicked in the balls when it happens, but it happens. Sherrill has been great for us and is going through a rough streak. Therefore it is no time to trade him. Selling low is never a good plan. Also why give up on him now? He is under contract for a while at a cheap price, and if he can put things back together between now and the end of the year, he will have a good bit of value again.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 11, 2008 12:14 AM EDT   0 recs

well, I agree

don’t trade him today

But start feeling out offers, he should get himself together after the all-star break, and if we can get a good deal there is no point in keeping him, as we aren’t going to be contenders in 2009.

by math_geek on Jul 11, 2008 12:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I can dig that

But if the offer doesn’t come then by all means wait until the offseason.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 11, 2008 12:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I just want to cry (sorry, chick O’s fan). It’s not worth it for me to carry on about the bullpen and every other Orioles’ downfall. I feel bad for Daniel, Jeremy, and every other guy who IS making it happen out there. I’m frustrated, and I just needed to be among like-minded friends. I’ll always be an O’s fan (even though I am a New Yorker), but I’m sad tonight. I’m sick of being freakin’ sad! I want to kick my TV in after game like tonight. What must Guthrie want to do?

by JulieM on Jul 11, 2008 12:16 AM EDT   0 recs

Matt Wieters
Jake Arrieta
Chris Tillman
Brian Matusz
Matt Wieters
and Matt Wieters

by math_geek on Jul 11, 2008 12:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

we signed some dude from the naval academy today who apparently is a pretty good pitching prospect

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 11, 2008 12:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

John Sickles was on ESPN radio

today rating Wieters the #1 prospect in all of baseball, and wondering why the O’s haven’t moved him to their MLB roster, then he guessed they wanted to take it slow with him, and didn’t really argue the reasoning.

Still , Sickles knows what he’s talking about, and rated Wieters the #1 prospect in all of baseball. Damn.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 11, 2008 12:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

$$$$$

is why he isn’t on their MLB roster

Sickels isn’t the only one that feels as though Wieters is the top prospect. Some BA guys have stated that as well in chats.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 11, 2008 12:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And he won't be

until almost May of next year. Don’t start that clock TOO soon….

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 11, 2008 12:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs