Goateed Sherrill helps AL win again in marathon

Shutdown was totally Birdland Tonight!

It made me so proud watching one of our own players dominate the greatest players in the game today!

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 16, 2008 5:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

John Kruk, Shutdown fan

“I know JD Drew won the MVP, but George Sherill should be walking out of here with the Tahoe.”

Damn Straight.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 7:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Word. And I almost soiled myself when he came in, too.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jul 16, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

John Kruk:

"George Sherrill should have been walking away with that Tahoe."

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 16, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cars

Do these guys need Tahoes? Ben Sheets (NL starter) got a $50K bonus for starting the game. Give the car to bleacher seat fans.

by blawk359 on Jul 17, 2008 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This article has clips of Sherrill's 2.1 IP

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080715&content_id=3138083&vkey=allstar2008&fext=.jsp

I went to bed around ten and missed most of the game, but am also glad to see Sherrill doing what he did for most of the first half. Coming in with the bases juiced and K’ing an all star is pretty clutch.

by PhilR8 on Jul 16, 2008 8:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Awesome

I went to bed early, too, but man, I wish I had recorded that to see Georgie get things done. All eyes in MLB were on him for over 2 innings? People have to be talking…..

by blawk359 on Jul 16, 2008 8:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Afraid he'd get taken deep - me too

I was rooting for a tie, followed by an NL win. When Sherrill came in, I had to suspend the later. He was lights out.

Stupid home field advantage rule…

by drj on Jul 16, 2008 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

for real...

the market for flat breezy has been reinvigorated.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 16, 2008 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

also of note...

while sherrill performed great, and its always great to see an oriole pitcher show up and shut down for over 2 innings in an all-star game, lets take some time to bash francona.

terry francona completely mismanaged that game. threw in his extra players kinda the same way drunken sailors spend money in a cantina. and its not the position players that was the issue, his use of them was fairly responsible. but he burned through his pitching staff by the 8th inning.

also, the 3 days rest would have been huge for sherrill, instead he pitched 2 and a third at 1am. im sure trembley is thrilled. i really felt like sherrill would have been best served to get a great rest to come back for the 2nd half and at least get himself to mid august before tiring again. dont get me wrong, i wouldnt have minded an inning of sherill work in the AS game. but 2 and a third in the wee hours of the morning, that hurts trembleys bullpen a bit

hey what do i know, but id just like to take the opportunity to thank terry francona for showing me that his only real purpose in boston is to sit there in his windbreaker (with no uniform underneath) with his arms folded and watch baseball. he doesnt manage, doesnt know how, and we all saw that in philadelphia.

by Boog's Birds on Jul 16, 2008 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

2 outs for K-Rod

was stupid. Start Mariano for the 9th and hold K-Rod, or use K-Rod in Halladay’s spot and hold Halladay. What he did was dumb.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He threw 25 fucking pitches

Give me a fucking break already.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 16, 2008 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Closer

And he’s a closer. How many pitches does a closer usually throw? I think Boog’s Birds makes a good point, even if he’s a bit cranky about it.

by blawk359 on Jul 16, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

Sherill’s thrown 25 pitches four times this season, plus eight more times of either 24 or 23. The continual search for something legit to bitch about moves on.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 16, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also

Rivera threw 26 and Soria 30. Boo hoo boo hoo!

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 16, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How many did YOUR boy throw?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

At least Clint Hurdle

abused his OWN pitcher instead of someone else’s closer.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Abused?

Are you fucking kidding?

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 16, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

3 innings in an exhibition game?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

25 pitches for the love of crap

In a 15 inning game. This is about the stupidest thing to get worked up about. Not a surprise here though.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 16, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is not completely about the pitch count

For a closer. It is the mind set. Being a closer you are under the impression that you are either going to come in and pitch your one inning or sit out the whole game. On most days Sherrill knows that he has a relatively high chance on coming into the game, whereas in the all star game he was the last option. Most closers expect to throw twelve to nineteen pitches and be done with it, win or lose. When your brought in to a game you have to limber up for an inning, throw 15-20 warm-ups, come on the mound and throw another 10, and then start throwing it. Factor in the fact that he was probably throwing the same velocity as a real game and that he went more than double what he is accustomed to and it is not just another day at the yard. Being a closer is all about the mentality, and don’t call bullshit on that one.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on, dude. Now you’re searching for how his PSYCHE may have been damaged? By having a great outing in the All-Star game? In fact I’m not even sure what you’re getting at, so I’m going to call bullshit. If George Sherrill starts pitching poorly it has a lot more to do with the fact that he’s not all that good than it does the fact that he threw 25 pitches in the All-Star game.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 16, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But,but,but

he could be SCARRED FOR LIFE!

Even I think the only game it might effect is Thursday. My main point is, if you’re going to stretch out a closer, make it your own.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

why?

Papelbon pitched at a point when the game might’ve been over. Sherrill, the bum, was a last option that came in because there was no one else left. The guy Hurdle stretched out was a starter who has thrown the third-most innings in baseball. Francona didn’t need to have all those closers to begin with. This whole discussion has become ridiculous. Terry Francona managed his bullpen rather poorly and hopefully this game is a learning experience for future ASGs. They need to start putting this shit together better.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 16, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention

Sherrill, himself, has said that he doesn’t like a bunch of time off. It screws with his mechanics or some shit. I think he’s all but said that every few days he needs to throw whether it’s a save situation or not. I was just glad to see him do so well against the “best of the best..” or the “most popular among the popular”

"Jeremy Guthrie’s funny. Sneaky funny. Smart funny. Stanford funny."
-Kevbo

by dayzd toe on Jul 16, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't believe

people on here are bitching about George being overused. Yeah he doesn’t normally pitch that much. But that was our guy out there, pitching his ass off in the all star game, and looking damn good doing so. I was proud of Georgie.

"We’re not concerned about what other teams think. I know teams come in here thinking we’re playing the Orioles. And then 9 innings later, they got the loss, they know what we’re about." ~Adam Jones

by Stacey on Jul 16, 2008 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So when it's 6-5 O's tomorrow night and JJ has already pitched the 8th...

you’re OK with Alberto Castillo pitching the 9th?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

George won't be able to pitch Thursday

because he threw 25 pitches last night? Do you seriously think that?

"We’re not concerned about what other teams think. I know teams come in here thinking we’re playing the Orioles. And then 9 innings later, they got the loss, they know what we’re about." ~Adam Jones

by Stacey on Jul 16, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

For a 1 inning closer

that’s a lot of pitches, especially adding in the warm-up. He was up twice, at least, because he got warm while the A’s pitcher was in. Yeah, I think it could. Hopefully not. But I do think 2.1 IP is a bit excessive when you’re using someone else’s closer. If this is last year, and ‘Bon had been used 2.1, PHN would have pitched a fit. At least Mo Rivera is commonly used for 4 and 5 out situations.

BUt as the game unfolded, Francona backed himself into a corner. My real beef is the way he used K-Rod. That was stupid.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with Stacey

It made me so proud seeing our guy out there in the middle of baseball’s Cathedral shutting down the best hitters in the game.

Geaux Eaux's

by NawlinsOriole on Jul 16, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You realize that Sherrill's career high in innings pitched was last year with 45 2/3s and this year he's already thrown 39 2/3s.

Not counting yesterday’s stretching.

We are not talking about some workhorse of a closer. We are talking about a lefty specialist who the last two seasons pitched in 70+ games for only 40ish innings and has not been thrust into a role where he will pitch in a similar number of games but twice as many innings.

So yeah I’d say there is some cause for concern about him throwing 25 pitches in a meaningless exhibition game. Especially when you consider the results he’s been having lately that just might be due to fatigue.

by O'sFan21 on Jul 16, 2008 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So basically what you're saying is

he shouldn’t have even been on the team? I like the sound of that.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 16, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think we already

came to that conclusion. But perhaps you missed it.

"Jeremy Guthrie’s funny. Sneaky funny. Smart funny. Stanford funny."
-Kevbo

by dayzd toe on Jul 16, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Was there anyone on here

defending the choice of George? I mean, I’m glad he did well (although I wish he did well for 1.1, rather than 2.1 IP), but I think we were unanimous that if the O’s only got 1 All-Star, it should be Brian Roberts.

And if Terry hadn’t gotten cute with K-Rod, we wouldn’t have had this problem to begin with.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

and what a problem it is. Will he be able to bounce back after throwing 25 whole pitches between two off days??????? What a waste of time. You people should be crowing about how well he pitched on a national stage, but no, true to form you’re whining that he pitched too long. What a joke.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 16, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You people should be crowing about how well he pitched on a national stage

Yeah we should! And a couple of us have… I’ve seen a few posts on here about how that performance should really boost his trade value now. Especially with the season he HAS been having.

"Jeremy Guthrie’s funny. Sneaky funny. Smart funny. Stanford funny."
-Kevbo

by dayzd toe on Jul 16, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I do agree this is an issue overall

But that’s regardless of the all star game. It’ll be interesting to see how he does down the stretch.

"We’re not concerned about what other teams think. I know teams come in here thinking we’re playing the Orioles. And then 9 innings later, they got the loss, they know what we’re about." ~Adam Jones

by Stacey on Jul 16, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Epic movie? Well, maybe "Night of the Living Dead."

Starring Ugly Uggla, who must be a contender for Worst Game in All Star History, poor bastard.

And for most disastrously nicknameable name, too. I don’t dare watch anything with Chris Berman in it today.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jul 16, 2008 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sherrill

Awesome Mike Awesome, you must be on the rag.

I was proud of Sherrill, it was great to see that. 1st time oriole pitching has controlled an all star game in a while im sure.

my point, which you clearly misunderstood, was that francona mismanaged the entire game. In retrospect, i thought he did alright with the fielders. but pitching he bombed and showed little ability to time things appropriately.

sherrill shut people down for 25 pitches youre right, but push come to shove, i dont care about an all star game as much as i do the regular season. after all, what does the all-star game amount to?

Here u go awesome mike awesome….THE BIG PICTURE…

Dan Uggla….lets take a look, 0-fer, 3 errors…is he a bad player, nope. hes a pretty good player by most standards. bombed in the all-star game, and u know what, it doesnt mean a single thing. now, if by some stretch the marlins were to make the playoffs, world series, etc. and he got a world series MVP, u think that all star game would mean too much? nope

MORE OF THE BIG PICTURE

david ortiz goes down with an injury….enter JD Drew in the DH role, oh wow….he’s an All-Star MVP now. might not have ever had the chance if it wasnt for an injury to his team mate. he walked away with possibly the keys to David Ortiz’s Hybrid last night. Is JD Drew the best of the best? probably not, but he was for 1 night and he gets a ton of accolades. hell, im sure he’d rather have a Silver Slugger, league MVP, or World Series MVP instead anyway.

and this list could go on, and on, and on….why? baseball’s fickle first half and the midsummer classic that everyone oogles over takes away from basbealls grand scheme. its a marathon buddy, 162 games. and no, im not taking anything away from Sherill, its a hell of an accomplishment and he only showcased his abilities that orioles fans saw for the first part of the season. but what would i rather see? id probably opt for a healthy george sherrill and successful remainder of the season.

so my question to you, mike awesome mike….Was it worth it?

by Boog's Birds on Jul 16, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What the fuck are you talking about?

HE THREW 25 FUCKING PITCHES. GET OVER IT.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 16, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

david ortiz goes down with an injury….enter JD Drew in the DH role, oh wow….he’s an All-Star MVP now. might not have ever had the chance if it wasnt for an injury to his team mate. he walked away with possibly the keys to David Ortiz’s Hybrid last night. Is JD Drew the best of the best? probably not, but he was for 1 night and he gets a ton of accolades. hell, im sure he’d rather have a Silver Slugger, league MVP, or World Series MVP instead anyway.

Ummm…well…

Milton Bradley started at DH for the American League. J.D. Drew is a totally deserving All-Star, and played right field as a substitute. He got a lot of ABs because the game went forever. This is a weird, weird argument that is not based in reality.

Guys, seriously.

George Sherrill threw 25 pitches and is off today. He’s going to be OK. This was not a case of abuse. Anything involving Kazmir was and would have been far more questionable considering Kazmir threw 104 pitches on Sunday.

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by SC on Jul 16, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I still come back to

if he had been managing to WIN only, K-Rod gets more than 2 batters, Roy Halladay gets 2 IP, and Sherrill, like every other reliever should have, gets 1 IP and Scott Kazmir stays in the bullpen and everyone goes home happy.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just thought it was a good point that Sherrill put so many pitches up, and I wholeheartedly agree that Francona stunk it up. I’m not sweating it, he’s got a day off, he pitched a great game, no doubt he feels great about it, and he’s coming back with his ego inflated. More power to him. Plus, he can balance a cup of coffee on his brim. Let’s see Rivera do that.

by blawk359 on Jul 17, 2008 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Big Pic

For me the big picture is I’d like to see Sherrill traded, so I’m happy to see him pitch a couple of innings of baseball in the middle of a media circus in exchange for the possibility he is a bit more worn out down the stretch (and possibly someone else’s problem.)

Francona had to balance the desire to get a lot of people into a nine inning exhibition circus against the possibility that the ghame might go very long. He might not have done perfectly, but he got the job done. Sherrill got his outs and got out of the game before he gave up a bomb. Francona got into a jam and stretched his luck a bit, that’s all. I don’t think it reflects on him as a regular season manager much.

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by typozzz on Jul 16, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No reflection on his skills as a manager as a whole

I just think given the circumstances of last night, he could have made some better choices.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trade value

I loved his performance b/c:
1) he made us O’s fans proud
2) he uppped his trade value

Seriously, what can increase your trade value faster than coming through in the clutch in an all-star game against the best of the best.

And about the whole 25 pitch thing:
The 25 number is a little misleading. 25 pitches over 2 1/3 means that he had to warm up for every inning (and several times in the bullpen). So he threw far more than 25 pitches and getting loose that many times should tire him out. This means that he should at least get the next day off, and last time I checked you dont pitch if your team doesn’t play, so we are good.

by Reddrummer9187 on Jul 16, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Great night for the O's...

It was great to see our guy up there on the main stage. I happened to run into the all star parade in downtown New York City and was able to catch at glimpse at some of the greats. Nearly lost my voice screaming for Cal. I was really pleased to see the All Star game be at Yankee Stadium, the house that Ruth built. No matter how much you hate the Yankees, if you are baseball fan you have to appreciate that park. It may be the house that Ruth built… but we are the town that built Ruth.

I found an interesting video as a tribute to the stadium:http://comcastsportsnet.tv/common/global_flash/player/spe.swf?flv=vidcast_1263&sid=102&d=comcastsportsnet.tv
I also found another video there about vintage baseball… kinda of interesting to look back at the game in the 1800’s:
http://comcastsportsnet.tv/common/global_flash/player/spe.swf?flv=vidcast_1268&sid=102&d=comcastsportsnet.tv

by dcsportsfan on Jul 17, 2008 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs