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Tim McCarver shouldn't have a (bleep)ing job, for the love of Pete

0375753400_mediumDoes anyone here on this site own the book pictured to the right? Anyone at all?

Come on. Admit it if you do. Just come right out and say it.

You DO? You're banned.

Tim McCarver crossed over again into unmatched "analytical" territory during the All-Star game last night. He had some true gems.

Now, look, most of us are aware that McCarver is a bumbling dullard on his best days, and on his worst, he's downright infuriating. If you have ever watched a baseball game in your life, McCarverisms are easy to find. The man has made an art out of being awful at his job. Even Joe Morgan can't touch some of the ridiculous nonsense that comes out of McCarver's mouth.

He started with a great one: "From a personal health standpoint, everyone knows you have to have a strong core. So the National League is very, very healthy."

This is not so much totally wrong-headed as it is just a dumb way to say something. This is a McCarver specialty, but not his worst attribute.

About a half hour later, he found his grove.

He said that Manny Ramirez is the best two-strike hitter in baseball. Assuming McCarver had nothing to back this statement up besides his highly-acclaimed eyes and great wisdom having been a Major League catcher for many years, I went to Ramirez's Yahoo! player page to look at his situational stats.

I'll even admit that I sort of assumed Manny would have some nice stats with two-strike counts. He is a great hitter, after all. No dice.

0-2: .125/.125/.292
1-2: .271/.286/.438
2-2: .245/.259/.348
3-2: .229/.486/.313

These are not bad numbers in two-strike counts. I'm not saying they are. But they do not really differentiate him from any number of good hitters with two strikes against them. Justin Morneau's numbers, for instance:

0-2: .346/.346/.577
1-2: .154/.154/.173
2-2: .182/.178/.295
3-2: .353/.511/.559

How about David Wright?

0-2: .120/.115/.120
1-2: .146/.163/.195
2-2: .274/.274/.500
3-2: .316/.629/.684

How about Adam Jones?

0-2: .306/.306/.361
1-2: .210/.210/.259
2-2: .186/.205/.233
3-2: .292/.469/.583

Hitting with two strikes is hard. Morneau's gaudy 0-2 numbers are a peculiarity. But McCarver flat-out tells me that Manny Ramirez is THE BEST two-strike hitter in the game. Without question. Without rival.

And I am able to get up-in-arms about what you might be able to term a judgment call because of the following. It was Ramirez's next at-bat where McCarver's genius shone brightest. This beacon of truth, communicator to the masses. This baseball guiding light was presented with an on-screen graphic of Manny Ramirez's batting averages on pitches in different zones. On down and in pitches, it said, Manny hits .167.

McCarver outright denied the fact put in front of him. He said that was not true. He was prestented with a statistical fact -- a f--king batting average -- and he said, "No, that's not true."

You just can't top Tim McCarver. God willing, we'll never see anyone really try.

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Deion Sanders will always be a hero to me

He poured a bucket of ice water over McCarver’s head on live TV after the Braves won the series. McCarver was pissed and acted like he would retaliate. Oh, if only, if only, if only…
McCarver is the reason I had to turn the game off last night. Just him being on there was enough to ruin it for me.
I think what is so unpleasant about the man is that he is so PLEASED with his stupidity.

by Lothar on Jul 16, 2008 8:18 AM EDT   0 recs

Ugh

Him and Joe Buck, both. My wife last night was cracked up about Buck’s comment when Josh Hamilton took his first at bat, that Hamilton “needed help brushing his teeth this morning.” Even McCarver thought that was a dumb thing to say, and that’s saying a lot.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/firetimandjoe/

by blawk359 on Jul 16, 2008 8:21 AM EDT   0 recs

I tuned in at midnight thnking the Simpsons might be on.

McCarver added that taking an out on a sac bunt attempt that was going foul was like taking the field goal in football. I think there are a ton of football-baseball analogies we have yet to voice.

Joe Buck let us know that the satdium refused to let this game end.

by drj on Jul 16, 2008 8:54 AM EDT   0 recs

ah yes

I forgot to add that gem.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 16, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was watching with a friend

So I didn’t really listen to the commentary all that much. Between the Home Run Derby and the All Star game I really got sick of listening to announcers recount the moving comeback story of Josh Hamilton. Does anybody think we’d hear about this (or that he’d be given a shot to get back in the Majors) if he weren’t white?

by yurizanow on Jul 16, 2008 9:27 AM EDT   0 recs

PLEASE

tell me this is a joke!!!

"Jeremy Guthrie’s funny. Sneaky funny. Smart funny. Stanford funny."
-Kevbo

by dayzd toe on Jul 16, 2008 9:45 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No it's not

I am indeed making the crazy allegation that there is a double-standard in media coverage that frequently revolves around race.

Furthermore, I am also saying that it took exactly two days for me to get sick of all touching stories about how Josh Hamilton is former a dope addict whose grandma shamed him into loving Jesus and now is the greatest baseball player in the world.

I guess you guys had a different reaction.

by yurizanow on Jul 16, 2008 10:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks Internet

for stupid shit like this.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 16, 2008 10:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And thank you internet

For people dopey enough to apparently be moved by Josh Hamilton’s tale of redemption and naive enough to think that a black guy with the same story would be treated the same way.

Bear in mind, I don’t consider myself a particularly tolerant or enlightened individual, but I do live in the real world.

by yurizanow on Jul 16, 2008 11:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Show me the black guy

with a comparable story being jilted in favor of Josh Hamilton. Darryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden got PLENTY of attention when they came back from drug problems. Obviously there is a double standard in the media but this is a ludicrous and stupid reaction.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 16, 2008 12:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I, too, grew tired of "The Josh Hamilton Story:The Road Through Recovery"

But in no way ever did I think race had anything do with it. The mere fact that you would even think that way must mean that race plays a large role in your life. If that’s the case, I feel sorry for you… and us for your perpetuating the race card.

"Jeremy Guthrie’s funny. Sneaky funny. Smart funny. Stanford funny."
-Kevbo

by dayzd toe on Jul 16, 2008 12:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for your pity

Since you know everything about me, let me tell you everything about you.

You’re a white guy who lives in a suburban neighborhood and not in terribly close proximity to any people of color nor do you spend that much time in their proximity beyond maybe work and going to the Target or something like that.

You hold no overtly prejudicial feelings, but you also don’t think that racism is much of a factor anymore since the days of overtly racist institutions, such as segregation, are a thing of the past. If anything, you think the only problem with racism today comes from white guilt-riddled liberals like me (which I’m not, by the way) and troublemakers like Al Sharpton who play the race card and insist on things like affirmative action and that if it weren’t for people like us, America could move on. You probably roll your eyes when you hear about racial profiling and think that the racial disparity in prison populations has more to do with who choses to commit crimes than anything else. Furthermore, I would also guess that you haven’t given much thought about why no black guys play baseball anymore nor why their absence seems to coincide with it’s resurgence in popularity and are rolling your eyes as you read this. How close am I here?

I live in a Hispanic neighborhood in New York City. It’s not really possible for me to pretend that race doesn’t play a large role in my life just like it isn’t for anybody else in New York. I guess you’re like Steven Colbert and don’t see race.

As for Mr. Hamilton. My point isn’t that Josh Hamilton gets lots of positive coverage just because he is white. I was merely pointing out that in all likelihood the same story would not be told if he were black. Yes, Dwight Gooden and Darryl Strawberry have received a lot of coverage, but the overwhelming majority of it involves showing them as the coke-addled fiends they are, which is entirely appropriate by the way.

by yurizanow on Jul 16, 2008 1:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Grab some popcorn guys...

this one is gonna be GOOD!

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was merely pointing out that in all likelihood the same story would not be told if he were black.

And yet this has what to do with Josh Hamilton and whether or not his story is actually moving or only so to “dopey” people? Who said a black athlete would get the same coverage, by the way? I guess because the media has a real and true double standard the only solution is not to talk about anyone doing anything, lest the purely hypothetical black athlete with the same circumstances get shafted. Obviously the most useful solution, especially coming from one as self-satisfied as you!

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 16, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's moving only to dopey people

Because its been presented over and over in a trite manner that makes a made-for-TV movie look hard-hitting. Combine that with Hamiton’s overt religiousness and it’s enough to make me gag.

Did you watch the Home Run Derby? “It’s a lousy night to be an aethist!” I guess Baby Jesus himself wanted Josh Hamilton to hit a bunch of home runs because he didn’t have anything better to worry about Monday night. Then having to listen to Joe Buck, who has the gravitas of a used car salesman, fawn over him for what seemed like the entirety an extremely long baseball game was a bit much for me.

by yurizanow on Jul 16, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

First thing's first...

I didn’t say I knew everything about you. Merely making an observation based on your comments.

All the rest… yeah, so? You probably think you’ve nailed me or something. What’s the point in this post? Does this in anyway show that my beliefs are incorrect or just that you have an idea of what kind of person would say what I said? Aside from the ACTUAL PORTION about Hamilton, in what way does this contribute to this thread?

I don’t care why “no” black guys are playing baseball. If they don’t want to, they don’t want to. If they aren’t good enough to, they aren’t good enough to. It sure as hell isn’t because there’s a conspiracy to keep black guys out of baseball, just like there wasn’t a conspiracy to keep black guys out of the homerun derby…

I was going to type a bunch of other stuff, but I have no desire to get drawn into a racial debate (possibly furthering the racial issues that should not exist, and in my honest opinion would not exist without people continually pointing out racial discrepencies that sometimes just happen) since race has nothing to do with why Josh Hamilton’s story is being so publicized. White, Black, or Purple, the story is amazing and inspiring.

"Jeremy Guthrie’s funny. Sneaky funny. Smart funny. Stanford funny."
-Kevbo

by dayzd toe on Jul 16, 2008 2:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You brought it up, not me

You were so offended by one sentence in my post that you pleaded that I admit I was joking and then told me you feel sorry for me when I said I wasn’t.

What did that have contribute to the thread? You could’ve just let it slide, but no, you had to defend the media as not being racist and blame it all on guilt-ridden white liberals like me (which I’m not).

by yurizanow on Jul 16, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was watching with a friend So I didn’t really listen to the commentary all that much. Between the Home Run Derby and the All Star game I really got sick of listening to announcers recount the moving comeback story of Josh Hamilton. Does anybody think we’d hear about this (or that he’d be given a shot to get back in the Majors) if he weren’t white

You brought race into this, not me. What did that have to contribute to “Tim McCarver shouldn’t have a (bleep)ing job, for the love of Pete”?

All I expressed was that it was ridiculous to bring race into it. I wasn’t offended at all. And believe me, I never defend the media. I can’t stand the media.

"Jeremy Guthrie’s funny. Sneaky funny. Smart funny. Stanford funny."
-Kevbo

by dayzd toe on Jul 16, 2008 3:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Double or nothing bet

You periodically get disgusted by the liberal media. Am I on track here?

by yurizanow on Jul 16, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Kudos for describing every white male in america who:

a. Does not live inside of a city
b. Does not live in a rural district.

I’m pretty confident most people on this site fit that profile.

If I were forced to place a bet on whether most people got fed up with left wing radicals who are completely non-objective I would not be too worried about losing.

You talk of racial profiling which implies that people negatively stereotype blacks when you just did exactly the same thing by classifying a typical white male who you think must know nothing about what real race relations are because they don’t live in the most diverse place in the world like you and know that racism is still alive.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 16, 2008 7:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I never claimed otherwise

I’ve been saying all along that I am not a guilt-ridden white liberal who considers himself particularly racially enlightened or tolerant and you are correct that my (it turns out accurate) description of Mr. Dayzd Toe (if that is his real name) is a result of prejudicial and stereotypical thinking on my part. It is precisely those characteristics in myself that leads me to believe that maybe things aren’t quite all worked out yet on the whole race relations front and I have plenty of admittedly anecdotal experience that doesn’t make me feel any differently.

by yurizanow on Jul 16, 2008 9:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't say things are all worked out.

I’m just implying that, in my opinion, things could get worked out a lot sooner if hate-mongers (and no, I’m not calling you a hate-monger) would stop playing the race card every time there’s some inequity… and if fucking affirmative action would just go away. All that does is make those who get snubbed a job/position who are qualified for it in favor a “minority” (or the other way around) bitter and continues the hate cycle so that race will ALWAYS be a factor.

And by the other way around, I mean I, a white male who graduated high school, was given basically a full ride to Delaware State University (a predominantly black school) based more on the fact that I am white than any scholarly or athletic credentials. I know this because I graduated high school with a 2.8 or 3.0 GPA, something like that, and although I played basketball in high school, I wasn’t that good and didn’t try to in college. Due to the opinion that I was receiving the funds for said reason, I respectfully declined them and paid my own way through my one year there (I just didn’t like the school. It wasn’t kept up very well, and most the staff was not strong on the English language, so I had trouble actually, you know, learning). I don’t think affirmative action is fair, either way, and therefore did not and will not ever partake in anything that I “earn” solely because I am white.

Also, in case you’re wondering, my nickname was Spot on my high school basketball team-I imagine you can figure out why. Now tell me that if there was one black guy on an all white basketball team who was given the nickname Spot that there wouldn’t have been some issue.

"Jeremy Guthrie’s funny. Sneaky funny. Smart funny. Stanford funny."
-Kevbo

by dayzd toe on Jul 16, 2008 10:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Correct me if I'm wrong

It seems like you’re saying that racism exists in America today primarily because white people are resentful towards minorities when they play the race card and receive special privileges like affirmative action and that if those two things would go away, so would racism. If that is indeed what you’re saying, then I don’t buy it. Although I think there are white bigots who feel that way, I think that’s a red herring used to mask deeper-seeded feelings.

As a white male of northern European Protestant background I’ve been rather delighted by the privileges my ethnic status affords me. Frankly, I can’t think of any examples where it has been a disadvantage in any way that really matters. Legislated affirmative action has been meaningless to my life, but I know that it has made a hugely positive difference to the beneficiaries of it. It’s something I have literally no resentment over partially because I know that I’ve had advantages throughout my life from merely being a white blue-blooded American.

by yurizanow on Jul 17, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Your probably picked last in basketball

Which is a major disadvantage.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 19, 2008 6:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what's your point?

and I would go with quite a bit more than periodically.

"Jeremy Guthrie’s funny. Sneaky funny. Smart funny. Stanford funny."
-Kevbo

by dayzd toe on Jul 16, 2008 10:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We'd hear about it...

and he might even get a shot at coming back to the majors, but his story would be handled much differently by the media

by oriolez on Jul 16, 2008 10:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

In this case....

yes, I think he’d still be inundated to the same degree. And as my HR Derby argument proves, I’m one more than willing to buy into racial conspiracies.

But not this one.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 11:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

^ he'd = we'd

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 11:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Does anybody think we’d hear about this (or that he’d be given a shot to get back in the Majors)

If he were the 25th man on someone’s roster, some crappy utility infielder easily replaced, and we were being treated to story upon story of his remarkable efforts, then I might sort of agree. But we are clearly looking at a special player, a guy with legitimate great talent. If dude was purple, someone would give him a shot to play. There aren’t a whole lot of guys with his pure talent. There just aren’t.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 16, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is that really the dumbest thing McCarver said all night?

If that Manny comment was his worst offense last night, then it sounds like viewers got off easy. I only watched the ASG for a couple of innings, as usual, so I don’t really know how bad he was, but he’s said much worse than that

by oriolez on Jul 16, 2008 10:18 AM EDT   0 recs

He said somebody would have to prove to him

that Manny hit .167 on the down and in pitches. I was wondering what more proof he would need beyond the f-ing statistic?

Although for sheer inanity, the conversation in the booth with Yogi was pretty competitive, I thought. They didn’t even get a yogi-ism out of him, and nobody asked him what it was like to kiss that SOB, Steinbrenner.

by fishoutawata on Jul 16, 2008 11:31 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And he said it

as the stat box for hitting zones was on screen.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 11:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hhahahahah

great stuff. i completely agree. he makes absolutely no sense most of the time.

by semaj2989 on Jul 16, 2008 11:55 AM EDT   0 recs

Go ahead, ban me

I recently finished this book, and the copy is still in my house. I learned fascinating facts like:

- the home run explosion of the 90s was due to pitchers failure to work inside. That’s right, not to cheating, to bad pitching strategy and/or execution
- catchers are gods among men
- catchers who caught Bob Gibson are lords among gods
- catchers who caught both Bob Gibson and Steve Carlton snear at mere lords among gods

I now believe every word and I’m grateful to His Exalted Timness for sharing his supreme wisdom in a text I can cherish day after day.

You won't see a worse play than the one you just saw from the Yankee captain... 3DG 5/27/08

by 33 on Jul 16, 2008 12:06 PM EDT   0 recs

I bet it makes a great coaster

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 12:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

or toilet paper

"We might as well just win this game." -Adam Jones

by exitfare on Jul 16, 2008 1:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, come on. Thanks to Tim, we witnessed the first All Star game ever in which a first baseman...

kicked a field goal. I still haven’t recovered. Tim never will.

What did we learn from this, people? Never go into a McCarver-announced event without a back-up. Major League Lacrosse is an attractive option, though some prefer ATP tennis. But stay away from the daily recaps of the Tour de Drug Addicts Riding Bicycles. P-sheee-it.

Finally, I want to thank all of you for the cards and letters regarding my prostate. I have every confidence that one day medical science will find a way to actually shrink it.

Along with Tim’s head.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jul 16, 2008 12:54 PM EDT   0 recs

p.s. Who has a copy of Tim McCarver's "Brain Surgery for Baseball Players"? Does it work?

I think Tim’s anterior parietal lobe is the luckiest brainpan on the face of the earth.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Churchill,1942-- a rebuilding year.

by Titov on Jul 16, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no, no...

it’s “how to SERVE man”!

wait, what?

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 16, 2008 3:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Leaving race ENTIRELY out of it...

my thoughts on Josh Hamilton are echoed exactly & precisely by the late, great Mr. George Carlin -

Is this all we can find in America that passes for personal drama? People overcoming long odds? God, it’s so boring and predictable.

And does this mean we are supposed to admire people simply because of the order of their luck? Because their bad luck came first? What about the reverse? What about people who start well and then fail spectacularly at life? People who were born with every privilege and given every possible gift and talent, who had all the money they needed, were surrounded by good people and then went out and fucked their lives up anyway? Isn’t that equally interesting? In fact, I find it more interesting. More like true tragedy.

I prefer to hear something like that once in a while, rather than this pseudo-inspirational bullshit that the media feel they have to feed us in order to keep our minds off America’s decline. If they’re going to insist that we really need to know about sick babies and cripples who tap dance and quadraplegic softball players, why don’t they simply have a special television program called “Inpirational Stories”? That way I can turn the fuckin’ thing off. I’m tired of people battling the odds. Fuck the odds. And fuck the people who battle them.

Sluggo here again. Can’t think of a single thing to add to this.

You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.

by sluggo 2.0 on Jul 16, 2008 4:09 PM EDT   0 recs

Don't you know...

everyone has to feel good about themselves?

Same reason they don’t keep score in t-ball anymore. God forbid some little kid gets told he lost. Fuck that. Kids need to put up with disappointment. Life’s full of it. And adults need to find reality again. Life’s hard, no matter who you are. Get over it and shut the fuck up.

"Jeremy Guthrie’s funny. Sneaky funny. Smart funny. Stanford funny."
-Kevbo

by dayzd toe on Jul 16, 2008 11:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He Used to...

...be better when he was broadcasting the Mets, and wasn’t broadcasting games on a national level.

He was knowledgeable about the Mets, and didn’t root, root, root for the home team the way that some announcers (Hawk Harrelson, Chip Caray, to name a couple) insist on doing as part of their broadcasts.

I’d agree that he’s lost something, though. I don’t think he’s as bad as you say, but he’s definitely fallen quite a bit as a commentator.

by Mike Gianella on Jul 19, 2008 2:15 PM EDT   0 recs

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