Some trade ideas

Ya beat me by 2 minutes

so I’ll delete mine. No sense having duplicates lying about…

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 1:50 PM EDT 0 recs

Yours looked nicer, so maybe not

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 16, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up 0 recs

Pictures...

don’t make up for data and analysis. Yours had better content. I can always pretty yours up with images if you’d like. It’s impossible for you to make me look like I know what I’m talking about. :)

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up 0 recs

my judgements

George Sherrill and Jay Payton for Andy LaRoche and Chin-lung Hu. -

This would be the most obscenely lopsided trade of the year. I’d give up Sherrill and Payton for LaRoche alone before you could say Bill Bavasi. He may have struggled, but he’s still the best prospect in the Dodgers system. Chin-lung Hu is pretty good too. I doubt we can trade Sherrill for two top-level prospects.

Chad Bradford for Tony Thomas would be quite good, especially if we can get extras.

I’m having a hard time figuring out what we can get for Aubrey, as he is overachieving by such a level. Will people really buy Aubrey as high as his stock is right now?

by math_geek on Jul 16, 2008 2:15 PM EDT 0 recs

LaRoche... best position prospect

Kershaw’s their best pitching prospect

by math_geek on Jul 16, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up 0 recs

actually...

i’ll bet if the o’s give a little salary relief w/ huff, a pretty good deal can be struck. i think they could at least get something for bradford, payton and mora if a greater percentage of salary is digested.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 16, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up 0 recs

One of these trades would make me happy

Agreed on the Huff front. Especially when it comes to the Twins there will have to be some kind of salary relief. I really think that they would be interested in him. Heck, playing him at third and using Punto as late inning defensive relief makes a lot of sense.
I really doubt Mora’s going to be traded. He’s not hitting, he has limited no-trade protection (has to be near his family), his defense is suspect, and his attitude is anything but positive. More then likely, he becomes a bench guy if the they trade for a third baseman or don’t trade Huff.
What’s really funny about all this, I originally thought about Matt Kemp in a trade and began looking at the Dodgers outfield production. Kemp and Delwyn Young are the only guys who have respectable numbers against lefties. Payton makes so much sense it makes me want to vomit with excitement.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 16, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up 0 recs

Seriously, Payton and Sherrill

make a ton of sense for a trade with L.A. It won’t happen, because the L.A. FO makes Andy look like Quick Draw McGraw, and no one knows who’s in charge. And that’s before you get to the owner who’s vetoed a half dozen trades in the past few years.

Hey, that sounds familiar…

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

The Dodgers, especially under Torre

undervalue rookies. Look how long it took Loney to make the lineup, and Matt Kemp can do no right in the eyes of teh teams fans and media. And they’re still running Andruw Jones out there. If there’s a team (besides Houston) who can be snookered, it might just be L.A. Not saying they will give up the store for a 6-week need, but they just MIGHT.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up 0 recs

here's to dreams then

but I’m not holding my breath. Trading two top position prospects for a good but not great lefty reliever and a bad outfielder is they kind of trade that can result in firings.

by math_geek on Jul 16, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up 0 recs

He'll be gone soon anyway

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 16, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up 0 recs

sure...

why not go down in a blaze of glory like baby bavasi?!

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 16, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up 0 recs

Even if he's determined to move those guys for immediate help

He’ll get a lot more than Sherill + Payton

There’s just no scenario where this can happen, outside a Kazmir-for-Zambrano type lightning strike.

by dkdc on Jul 16, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up 0 recs

i was kidding.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 16, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up 0 recs

I'm not saying we'd get both

McCourt would never let that happen. But one + a fringe prospect? Maybe, just maybe….

And look at all those SAVES George has! Pretty easy sell to the casual fan that you’ve actually done something….

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up 0 recs

George isn't even a bad reliever

we’ve been ripping on him, and he’s struggled recently,as he’s overexposed as a closer. But as a Left-handed Setup man… he’d be absolutely great. But no-one in their right mind gives up a top position prospect for a set-up man or a LOOGY.

by math_geek on Jul 16, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up 0 recs

Key sentence...

But no-one in their right mind...

We’re talking about an MLB GM of a franchise that who just gave Andruw Jones a shit-ton of money, after giving Juan Pierre a shit-ton of money, after giving Jason Schmidt a shit-ton of money, after giving Chan Ho Park a shit-ton of money (again!), after giving Derek Lowe a shit-ton of money, and after giving Nomar Garciaparra a shit-ton of money. And Jeff Kent.

I rest, your honor…

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up 0 recs

His stupidity abounds

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 16, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up 0 recs

Derek Lowe has been

a great signing.

by Awesome Mike Awesome on Jul 16, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up 0 recs

That's one.

What about the other six?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up 0 recs

On November 8, 2007, Park accepted an offer from his original team, the Los Angeles Dodgers, to attend spring training as a non-roster invitee. On November 28, 2007, Park asked to be let go by the Dodgers to play for the Korean team. After pitching with no health issues for the Korean National team, the contract was finalized on December 6, 2007. Despite being considered a long shot for the fifth starter’s role, Park pitched very well, but was ultimately passed over for right-hander Esteban Loaiza. He was eventually reassigned to the minor leagues on March 30, 2008. Faced with the problem of a fatigued and depleted pitching staff three games later, the Dodgers purchased Park’s minor league contract on April 2, 2008.[7] Park is currently being used as a reliever and a spot starter.

This is not a shit ton of money. The Rangers gave him the only “shit ton” he’s ever gotten.

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

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by SC on Jul 17, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up 0 recs

OK, THIS time, maybe

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 17, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up 0 recs

NL

Sherrill could be very effective for a while in the NL against hitters who havent seen him before. Look what he did last night.

by nittany lion on Jul 16, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up 0 recs

From The Sun

Exploring the O’s trade options

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 4:53 PM EDT 0 recs

I'll post one...

George Sherrill, LHP

Why he could be traded: Several contenders have holes in bullpen; can either close or be situational lefty; immune to pressure, making him good fit for playoff team.

Why he won’t be: Affordable; not eligible for free agency until after 2011; MacPhail has stressed importance of strong bullpen; has become fan and clubhouse favorite; uncertainty with Jim Johnson’s future role and Chris Ray’s health.

Potential suitors: Angels, Brewers, Cardinals, Dodgers, Rays, Yankees

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up 0 recs

Sherrill

Are you sure is under control through 2011? He could be a super two, which would be consistent with him not being a free agent until after 2011, but in 2008 we “avoided arbitration” with him, which would speak to him being a free agent after 2010.

Cots

Off topic, is it preferable to have links open in a new window or not?

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Jul 16, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up 0 recs

Two things

All above info is from The Sun.

And my personal preference is new window. YMMV.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up 0 recs

new window

"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth." -- Bob Arum

Camden Chat
Bad Left Hook

by SC on Jul 16, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up 0 recs

2011 is correct

Sherrill started the year with less than 3 years service time, and he needs at least 6 full years to declare free agency.

by dkdc on Jul 17, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up 0 recs

thx

thx for the clarification. So I guess he was a super 2.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Jul 17, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up 0 recs

Random ideas:

Huff and $5 Million to LAA for Brandon Wood and a lower level SS prospect
Sherrill to LAD for LaRoche and a SS prospect (Hu maybe?) (justification Torre is there to win now)
Roberts to Milwaukee for Rickie Weeks and Escobedo (or Gamel), not sure if they would do that, but they too have to win now

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Jul 16, 2008 5:35 PM EDT 0 recs

Dodgers....

Sherrill to LAD for LaRoche and a SS prospect (Hu maybe?)

We’re gonna have to give a LOT more than that, or get a lot less back.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 16, 2008 5:37 PM EDT 0 recs

it is kinda wishful thinking

But the fact that Sherrill is under control for another few more seasons + the win now mode in LA + sherrill’s reasonable contract + other options at third for LA might equal LaRoche and some other B-/C+ prospect.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Jul 16, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up 0 recs

Sherrill + Payton

I really think they’re looking for an outfielder who hits lefties. A bench guy.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 16, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up 0 recs

Sherrill + Luke Scott?

Scott is not so good with the lefties, but a better chip than Payton.

"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."

by spike2131 on Jul 16, 2008 11:28 PM EDT up 0 recs

If I can give up Sherrill + Jay

instead of Sherrill + Luke, I’d do that.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 17, 2008 8:37 AM EDT up 0 recs

see...

i still think scott and reimold in left would make for a pretty nice little platoon.

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 17, 2008 9:15 AM EDT up 0 recs

So would I

But if I’m the Dodgers, I’m pushing for Scott, not Payton.

If the deal is LaRoche and Hu for Sherill and Scott, do you pull the trigger?

"Whether your name is Gehrig or Ripken, DiMaggio or Robinson, or that of some youngster who picks up his bat or puts on his glove, you are challenged by the game of baseball to do your very best day in and day out. That's all I've ever tried to do."

by spike2131 on Jul 17, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up 0 recs

The outfield issue

The Dodgers don’t seem to be looking for someone to play every day which is what Scott needs to do. They have Jones, Kemp, and Either and I don’t see them trying to get another guy who doesn’t hit lefties that well with moderate defense. Payton, on the other hand, hits lefties, plays all the outfield spots, and covers more ground then Scott. He just makes more sense then Scott. If this were a different trade with another team Scott would be an upgrade and make sense.

To answer your question, yes. LaRoche and Hu for Sherrill and Scott, I’d do.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 17, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up 0 recs

You're right

They don’t want an everyday OF, just someone who can be plugged in to hit lefties. Sherrill + Payton is a perfect fit for them. What can we get BACK, though, is where Andy earns his money. How much can we squeeze them for?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 17, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up 0 recs

In my opinion...

any trade that nets us a 1B/3B type AND a SS would be a major coup for the Orioles. They are two of our most glaring holes right now, and to get even one of them filled with a young, promising player would be a huge boon to our future.

I say even if you can only get one of them for Sherrill, you still do it.

by therobotian on Jul 17, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up 0 recs

If we can get a good 1B or SS type

for Shutdown, do it in a heartbeat.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 17, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up 0 recs

what do you guys think about...

acquiring ronnie “the dillweed” cedeno? anyone think bradford and most of his contract would do it?

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 17, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up 0 recs

He's become a reliable platoon guy

He’ll probably stay with the Cubs this season. Who knows about next season. Also, he stopped hitting.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 17, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up 0 recs

ah, figures...

after all, he IS a dillweed!

foghat goes with everything--birdman, 5/16/08

by j.q. higgins on Jul 17, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up 0 recs

Dodgers fans want Roberts and Sherrill

This is an interesting turn of events. But really, who are they suggesting the Dodgers give up for Roberts AND Sherrill. Sherrill alone is going to yield a reasonable haul, especially since the same site suggest Siato might be destined for Tommy John surgery.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 18, 2008 12:27 PM EDT 0 recs

ROBERTS and Sherrill???

Methink not, unless they back up the truck. They would have to clean out their farm system to make it worthwhile for us. Sherrill’s overvauled, but Roberts is definitely undervalued. I’d have to see what L.A. is considering, but my first thought is, it ain’t enough.

This from the site makes me wonder how valid their analysis is concerning Sherill:

Wears down late in the season and can’t pitch on consecutive days

WTF?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 18, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up 0 recs

From that same site:

Well, it looks as if Saito’s career could possibly be over. According to team surgeon and the dodgers website, Saito has "a ligament sprain, which is a stretching or tearing of the ligament that stabilizes the elbow. It is an injury that often results in what has become known as Tommy John elbow reconstruction, which requires a full year of rehabilitation."
Lets face it, Saito is 38 and this could be the end of his career. For now, he’s hoping to stay positive and see how his elbow reacts in 6 weeks without having any surgery, but he is not ruling out the possibility of surgery in the near future. This could be a long 2nd half.

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 18, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yeah, Saito might be done. They’re going to try Broxton for now, but who knows if that’ll work out.

True, their proposals are pretty crazy, but they have other guys who would help the Os out. Like, say, Kershaw, Hu, LaRoche, Scott Elbert, Pedro Baez…to start.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 18, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up 0 recs

That would be just a START

for Sherrill and Roberts in the same deal.

I don’t like the idea of tying two of our BEST bargaining chips in the same deal. Wouldn’t it be easier to maximize their value in seperate deals?

"I wasn't here for the losing years. But it feels a little like the days with Earl in charge and John Lowenstein smashing birthday cakes in the middle of the clubhouse with a bat." - John "T-Bone" Shelby

by duck on Jul 18, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yes

I’m hoping most of the veterans are traded in separate deals with the exception being that a Jay Payton or a Jamie Walker be included on a deal to ensure a high-ceiling prospect.

by Dr Orpheus on Jul 18, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up 0 recs

couple points on the original post..

No way we can get LaRoche for Sherrill. As much as a closer is valued, a first year guy with no proven track record isnt going to get a #1 prospect in return. Adding in Payton makes a little sense, and may work but with Furcal a FA I cant see them using Hu as a toss in, no matter how bad he has been (also, I think he kinda stinks so why would we want him?)

Marmol had a couple bad outings, but he is still the top SU guy in baseball, so the Cubs aren’t going to worry about him. If anything they would want a guy like Walker to give them a LOOGY.

I agree we aren’t gonna get Gamel or Escobar without giving up the farm. Thats a team that really values its prospects.

Our best hope is that someone gets hurt. An injury to a 3B/2B around the league would be incredibly valuable to us. (I would love to see Youkalis go down so we had a shot at Lowrie)

Keep in mind that losing free agents nets draft picks, and if the front office is willing to step up like they did with weiters and get the top guys regardless of bonus demands then it may be worth it not to trade unless we get back AAA talent.

by ADLC on Jul 19, 2008 6:18 AM EDT 0 recs

LaRoche

I don’t think LaRoche is the Dodgers #1 prospect (Kershaw). He was BA’s #31 prospect coming into the season and has had some injuries this year.

To be fair, I didn’t think he was rated that highly, but I guess I’m wrong on that. So in order to get him, we’d have to arrange a deal involving Brian Roberts, though I’m not sure why the Dodgers would want him.

Librarians are hiding something

by dfa on Jul 19, 2008 1:46 PM EDT 0 recs